Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1174 Spoilers Discussion

[soupongo]

Oda does this shit literally every single arc.

First we had Kaido and Big Mom

Then you had the Gorosei, who were immortal ACoC users. With warcury negating an attack that made Kaido bleed using his durability alone

Now you have Loki.

Despite all that, Shanks is yet to play an active role in the story. You seriously think Oda won’t keep on powercreeping?

What are you talking about lol? Shanks has been active since the end of Wano. We even see him take in an active role, in this arcs very flashback, where he wasn´t able to stop Harald.

 

[sanjikun]

Roger and Garp who were in their mid 30s (even if not prime, not far off), put their entire life savings into their final blow. Loki on the other hand? Washed HK Harald first with his DF only and after that obliterated him in base using Ragnir. Now imagine hybrid Loki going wild with Ragnir.

And yeah, I get it, Shanks "captured" Loki, but there is a reason Oda never showed it. It was just a Deus Ex Machina to have Loki rest until Nika's arrival, so they can go and kick the WG's ass together. At this point Loki being captured could mean anything and is probably not something Oda will further elaborate. We know how top tier encounters actually look like when they happen, they are nothing like what we would've hyped them up. Oda just needed to have Loki rest to be able to go all out now.

Lets face it. Loki is abnormal. Kaido became a meme.

The issue is you can't even see that you're stacking 25 different assumptions to reach absurd conclusions, that make no sense narratively, let alone in terms of powerscaling.

Here are some counterarguments that you mostly just skip over:

1) Demon Xebec is stronger than mere HK Harald.

2) Like you mentioned, Roger and Garp were not in their peak.

3) Gaban and Shanks slowed down Harald's regen. This is not an opinion. It's Gaban's own words. They just needed 1 final shot.

4) Harald let Loki beat him. He literally told him "Hurry up, before I recover".

5) Loki doesn't even know what CoC is. Gaban made it clear. You must understand the power to be able to harness it properly. All his hype so far is 90% just DFs.

6) 10 years of pirating and he still has a Warlord level bounty (not saying he's Warlord level, just his bounty).

I can go on and on, but there are giant holes in the "Loki low diffs Roger" nonsense.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2021287760854909274

oda made him too strong honestly

 

[MonochromeYoru]

There's nothing impressive about being delusional and not accepting new info.

standard bitch behavior

you stand your ground and go down with the ship

at the very least, don't fucking change your name and wank the next hyped up character immediately

 

[Raiden7]

are providers retarded why do they keep putting out new info about his size just describing it in different words every time no one gives a fuck you clown ass provider

You should become a real provider to put everyone on their seat. Why don't you do that? Are you that afraid?

 

[soupongo]

standard bitch behavior

you stand your ground and go down with the ship

at the very least, don't fucking change your name and wank the next hyped up character immediately

This dude monster Kaido made an avatar bet with me that Loki lost to Shanks fair and square a couple months ago, btw

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I really predicted it all man

people where saying Lokis lightning was ragnir and I just knew that wasn’t true.Now I don’t think lightning is Lokis full kit it would be a bit underwhelming.I think his true scary world ending ability is prob something else.

now that we know this,where does this feat scale? I think it could be comparable to kaido holding up the island with his flame clouds

His coc (pause) was the size of the lightning blast too while losing a shit ton of blood and being confirmed nerfed
How did shanks stop this Monster!!!
@Elder Lee Hung @MonochromeYoru @Worstgenhq @Dragon777 @EmperorKinyagi @Sentinel @kekaro @Kurozumi Wiwi @Loki D. Terror

You realize Loki in his Devil fruit form might be like, the size of Onigashima? Lol

At this point Loki > Imu is looking good fr fr.

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

https://x.com/Buggy/status/2021275400236597502

Niddhoggr devoured the dead, so maybe Loki has a soul power, as well?

 

[OPKnK]

Yes those were individual attacks. Loki simply by flying is shaking whole elbaph which is >>>>> MF island. Imagine his DC or AP in hybrid form now. Way above Gura for sure.

But we know gura gura had more powerful stuff like when WB flip the island .
In theory Gura Gura should be able to just to that to any island or make tidal waves to cover other islands.
Loki body being so huge that it cause damage don't really tell you much about his AP .
Wolf could turn huge and just walking would destroy towns cause he so big you won't say he has higher AP than Gura Gura .
Notice i am not talking about WB but the Gura Gura it self and what it can do .
It the DF that suppose to be able to destroy world not that we ever see use to that level of course.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

https://x.com/Buggy/status/2021275400236597502

Niddhoggr devoured the dead, so maybe Loki has a soul power, as well?

you know who else has a soul power?

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

you know who else has a soul power?

Maybe he actually can't be DR'd then. If so, Imu may consider a strategic retreat.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

But we know gura gura had more powerful stuff like when WB flip the island .
In theory Gura Gura should be able to just to that to any island or make tidal waves to cover other islands.
Loki body being so huge that it cause damage don't really tell you much about his AP .
Wolf could turn huge and just walking would destroy towns cause he so big you won't say he has higher AP than Gura Gura .
Notice i am not talking about WB but the Gura Gura it self and what it can do .

The thing is flipping an island (more so tilting it) is a pure DC move. When it comes to channeling gura no mi for attacks , WB/BB do the usual punching thing. Loki on the other hand can channel all the power in an attack in hybrid mode.

 

[Dragon777]

1) Demon Xebec is stronger than mere HK Harald.

Never said anywhere and even counterintuitive.

Pact with Imu himself > force transformation.

2) Like you mentioned, Roger and Garp were not in their peak.

40 YO

3) Gaban and Shanks slowed down Harald's regen. This is not an opinion. It's Gaban's own words. They just needed 1 final shot.

That's literallt false lol.

Gaban thought no one could stop Harald:

Spoiler

"I didn't know there was a way to stop him"; "he would have destroyed the world".

4) Harald let Loki beat him. He literally told him "Hurry up, before I recover".

Because Loki beat the sense in him.

5) Loki doesn't even know what CoC is. Gaban made it clear. You must understand the power to be able to harness it properly. All his hype so far is 90% just DFs.

What are you saying? Base Loki clahed with HK Harald and beat Ragnir only with AdvCoC.

6) 10 years of pirating and he still has a Warlord level bounty (not saying he's Warlord level, just his bounty).

Special bounty we don't know the context of.

I can go on and on, but there are giant holes in the "Loki low diffs Roger" nonsense.

Not really tbh.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

This dude monster Kaido made an avatar bet with me that Loki lost to Shanks fair and square a couple months ago, btw

like, he said loki lost to shank in 1 v 1? and you said loki lost through trickery?


@Loki D. Terror this true?

 

[Halyup]

Haki reigns supreme

Neither shanks or Ben have DF
And they subdue Loki

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

standard bitch behavior

you stand your ground and go down with the ship

at the very least, don't fucking change your name and wank the next hyped up character immediately

Kaido was right all along People only care about strength

 

[sanjikun]

Yes those were individual attacks. Loki simply by flying is shaking whole elbaph which is >>>>> MF island. Imagine his DC or AP in hybrid form now. Way above Gura for sure.

"Elbaf is trembling". Crazy. It's not like Whitebeard and Blackbeard can literally move tectonic plates.

 

[Paragorn]

10 years of pirating and he still has a Warlord level bounty (not saying he's Warlord level, just his bounty).

What was Blackbeard's bounty when he became an Emperor?

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Even if Beckman is yonko level I don’t know if that would have made a difference against Loki

 

[Halyup]

Haki reigns supreme

Neither shanks or Ben have DF
And they subdue Loki

This dude monster Kaido made an avatar bet with me that Loki lost to Shanks fair and square a couple months ago, btw

How do you define fair and square
Shanks is a pirate
He aint fight fair