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Which devil fruit is more impressive?


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I don'treally care about this who's bigger between Dragon Loki and Dragon Kaido discussion, but wouldn't it make more sense for Elbaf's legendary fruit to be the biggest creature considering everything is oversized on the island?
I was saying the same.

Not really much sense in Erbaf's dragon, where everything - nornaml animals included - are oversized -, to be as big as a "normal" dragon.
 
You keep saying Jinbe covered the entire branch of the castle, but that is not true. That was simply one of the routes of the branch, which is clearly much larger on it's own:




Not to mention, as said, even if you are arbitrarily choosing this feat of Jinbe to be "size accurate" rather than oversized.

But anyway, it's not even close to being the main/whole branch.


This is branch route 8 situated above/in forest sector 2.

And for the hundredth time, I'm not scaling anything from panels, I don't care how big is Jinbe's Feat but we know that covered flames that were blocking the path on same branch that is carrying harald's castle,

I also know gaban's attack destroyed a tower from that castle, so Loki is comparable to both attacks, that's all.

(On a side note (not that it matters much tbh),
Lego World and Road's Room were inside a different castle which was actually a Prison for Giants, that's why a single room looked enough to house multiple giants cuz it's actually a large Prison cell)
 
Not doubting how strong Loki is, I just feel Oars Jrs downfall in Marineford showed us the risk of size. I can't remember clearly, was it Doffy or someone else, who said it's basically target practice.

Just imagine trying to hit normal Luffy 1.74m vs Whitebeard at 6-7m. And if Lokis hybrid is 150m or whatever it'll be like trying to hit a normal 40 floor building or something, way too easy to tag.

Now, Lokis hybrid, same as with Kaidos hybrid, that will be something for the ages.
Oars Jr was a fodder though. Loki is a top tier. Base Loki is as big as oars. Hybrid loki will be bigger. Imagine if garp was as big as hybrid loki. How powerful would his galaxy impact be? Much much stronger than human garp's galaxy impact.

Also harald who is oars sized had no issues fighting xebec.
 


This is branch route 8 situated above/in forest sector 2.
LOL, you are saying this because of a summary scheme of Oda?

And for the hundredth time, I'm not scaling anything from panels, I don't care how big is Jinbe's Feat but we know that covered flames that were blocking the path on same branch that is carrying harald's castle,
Which is not, as said. The kids were on a route of that branch.

I also know gaban's attack destroyed a tower from that castle, so Loki is comparable to both attacks, that's all.
Same as before: why should Gaban's attack be accurate rather than oversized?

(On a side note (not that it matters much tbh),
Lego World and Road's Room were inside a different castle which was actually a Prison for Giants, that's why a single room looked enough to house multiple giants cuz it's actually a large Prison cell)
True, wans't the same.

Still, the castle there should be bigger ofr obvious reasons.
 
Wrong translation.


In Official translation shamrock says no such thing.
I'm starting to think that the official translation really change a lot of things.

in the original japanese shamrock says "動けても同じだ" that translates literally to "Even if you move it will be the same".

So the official translation is kinda wrong. Don't take everything from granted.

In the jap version Shamrock is sure that he could win against Loki. It does not matter if it's real or not. He said that.

 
The temple always stood tall, immovable ans undisturbed by any waves (fake hype) while the haters have to constantky change goal post.

All things eventualy lead back to Zoro supremacy.

So imagine thinking the temple can be insecure about anything, we got the safest agenda to push beside Luffy.

we dont even need to push anything directly
, oda himself is the leader of the temple.
:Rofl:
 
Oars Jr was a fodder though. Loki is a top tier. Base Loki is as big as oars. Hybrid loki will be bigger. Imagine if garp was as big as hybrid loki. How powerful would his galaxy impact be? Much much stronger than human garp's galaxy impact.

Also harald who is oars sized had no issues fighting xebec.
1: I'm not doubting Lokis AP or AoE. I'm not even doubting Oars Jrs AP or AoE, it's likely higher than many characters way out of his league. The issue I see is that a big body equals a big target. Even if Loki has fantastic movement, like Oars with Luffys shadow, he is still a huge target and there are loads of characters that can unleash attacks with huge AoE.


2: People need to let go of the Harald equals Xebec view. They clashed, Xebec took a liking to him and then he tried to recruit him for years and years. Along the way they became best friends. I have no doubt in my mind Xebec was stronger by a fair bit but only did enough to clash equally, like say SSJ2 Vegeta vs SSJ2 Goku who was hiding SSJ3.
 
I'm starting to think that the official translation really change a lot of things.

in the original japanese shamrock says "動けても同じだ" that translates literally to "Even if you move it will be the same".

So the official translation is kinda wrong. Don't take everything from granted.

In the jap version Shamrock is sure that he could win against Loki. It does not matter if it's real or not. He said that.

Official translation > Your translation
 
1: I'm not doubting Lokis AP or AoE. I'm not even doubting Oars Jrs AP or AoE, it's likely higher than many characters way out of his league. The issue I see is that a big body equals a big target. Even if Loki has fantastic movement, like Oars with Luffys shadow, he is still a huge target and there are loads of characters that can unleash attacks with huge AoE.


2: People need to let go of the Harald equals Xebec view. They clashed, Xebec took a liking to him and then he tried to recruit him for years and years. Along the way they became best friends. I have no doubt in my mind Xebec was stronger by a fair bit but only did enough to clash equally, like say SSJ2 Vegeta vs SSJ2 Goku who was hiding SSJ3.
Oda made sure to show them having equal ACOC clash when they first met. If anything harald outlived xebec by 25 years and hence should be stronger than xebec 14 years ago.
 
LOL, you are saying this because of a summary scheme of Oda?



Which is not, as said. The kids were on a route of that branch.



Same as before: why should Gaban's attack be accurate rather than oversized?



True, wans't the same.

Still, the castle there should be bigger ofr obvious reasons.
I don't think you understand what you're saying tbh,
There is no oversize or undersize in Gaban's Attack cuz I'm not scaling with my eyes, I'm scaling based on what actually happened,

Gaban destroyed a tower of that Castle regardless of its size.
He removed it completely and it fell to underworld.

Dude, forget about any panel and forget that one piece is even drawn,
If someone tells you that Loki transformed inside a castle and started running in one of its corridors,
Then I tell you Gaban used an Attack that destroyed one of that castle's towers,

Will you conclude that Loki and Gaban's Attack are comparable in size or not?
 
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I don't think you understand what you're saying tbh,
There is no oversize or undersize in Gaban's Attack cuz I'm not scaling with my eyes, I'm scaling based on what actually happened,

Gaban destroyed a tower of that Castle regardless of its size.
He removed it completely and it fell to underworld.

Dude, forget about any panel and forgot that one piece is even drawn,
If someone tells you that Loki transformed inside a castle and started running in one of its corridors,
Then I tell you Gaban used an Attack that destroyed one of that castle's towers,

Will you conclude that Loki and Gaban's Attack are comparable in size or not?
You are lamenting that Oda cannot scale, but you pick scenes that fits your tale and use that as trustwhorty benchmark.

One of the two: or Oda is not trusworhty in every scale or he is.

Why Oda couldn't have fucked up work Gaban's attack, which maybe looked far wider than It should have been considering the castle's proportions?
Is Isn't said anywhere and by anyone that the only fucked up proportions are that of the characters lol.

Not to mention, again, we don't even know if Loki was full zoan Inside the castle. Or Oda could have simply underselled Loki's size because the scene had to be Inside the castle, and so on.
 
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