Controversial Would Wano have been a better arc if Oden,Orochi,the scabbards and Yamato just did not exist ?

MUUGEN

The Holy One
#41
Wano was a terrible arc

If Orochi,loden,lamaro and the labards did not exist would Wano have been at least passable?
Oden & Scabbards were the entire storyline for Wano......

Orochi was how Kaido was able to take over as ruler of the country....

because of Yamato Kaido was further worn down for Luffy to win.

sorry your expectations/headcannon werent in odas plans.

better luck next arc.
 

MUUGEN

The Holy One
#43
Her strength wasn’t something Kaido trained. She inherited it, but she never was some trained fighter by Kaido.
damn thats funny i forgot it was like it was mentioned in the manga that for 20 years she was fighting Kaido while he was forcefully training her to become the next ruler not only of the Beast Pirates but also Wano as the Shogun, fought off any and all intruders that tried to breach Wano which included Ace, training to become strong like Oden through her resolve to want to fight for the people of Wano & her own freedom, was imprisoned with Shimotsuki Ushimaru,

funny though i'd love to see this energy when it comes to sanji....
 

MUUGEN

The Holy One
#44
Sounds like just another Sanji.
Scrubs that got carried hard by overpowered bloodline
difference is yes she has great genetics and bloodline from Kaido but she also trained every chance she got with Kaido directly, the same way Ace was shown in his novels he progressed by constantly attacking the strongest would he lose ys but guess wht he gradually grew in strength, same thing happened for Yamato.

sanji got 3 powercreeps in wano alone the first was using the raid suit after vowing he'd never use it, cause of needing to hid his identity but he needed it to compete with the likes of Page One, mutated body via germa genetic awakening providing his exoskeleton in which no other sibling has due to "dormant/delayed" activation, not only did the exoskeleton happen but then he also has random regen properties, lastly he got IJ due to the exoskeleton also giving him a buff in speed...
 
#47
-Orochi is a very strong Samurai but is very cruel and cunning
If I think about how much I wanted the Shogun of Wano vs Zoro fight...the strongest samurai of Wano vs Zoro, like a Ryuma vs Zoro 2.0.

And Oda even went on with that "Orochi two sword style" in the beginning of Wano.

Zoro not having a samurai fight in Wano Will remain one of the biggest no sense and lost opportunities of the manga.
 
#48
Make Hiyori actually evil and be the Queen Calamity. She is the reverse Yamato. She saw Oden's bullshit like dancing naked and how Oden led Wano country to ruin. She lost everything because of her dad's terrible decision, then she blamed her dad's incompetence similar to Doffy's case. Later Kaido captured her but then adopted and fed her well, seeing her potential while Kaido realized his own daughter is rebellious.
This would have been peak writing. Loda could never.
 
#50
Better If
- 2 years instead of 4
- not losing time on getting ready for the raid
- No big mom pirates
- not Hawkins apoo and kid only law and X drake
- Oden flashback short
- less scabards and no Yamato
- give more focus to hiyori
- good ending
Also Orochi and oniwabanshu + other side alied characters weren't a bad idea but jusl like galley la don't give them too much focus
 
#51
Her strength wasn’t something Kaido trained. She inherited it, but she never was some trained fighter by Kaido.
Kaido and Yamato fought several times throught out her life. Every single time has made her stronger because he beat her. Therefore in shonen logic, this is a method of training. Whatever doesnt kill ya, make ya stronger..

Also she used thunder bagua, something only Kaido knows while her other moveset are all different.
 
#53
the oden story literally provided the entire narrative, motive for the events that occured after

its almost like people here arent aware a story is being told . All they saw was strawhats pulled up to beat kaido's ass and were aided by this army of natives, minks and some of whitebeard's commanders.
 

MUUGEN

The Holy One
#57
the oden story literally provided the entire narrative, motive for the events that occured after

its almost like people here arent aware a story is being told . All they saw was strawhats pulled up to beat kaido's ass and were aided by this army of natives, minks and some of whitebeard's commanders.
literally would have lost if the scabbards, minks who are allies to scabbards & Yamato didnt exist. lol
 
#58
Yes

Oden characterization is crap and forced as fuck, a lot of flashbacks but none makes me feels anything except the fact that he's stupid. The same with Yamato, she's an idiot and Kaido did nothing wrong by punishing that idiot. Imagine your child want to become Osama Bin Laden because he finds him cool, why the fuck would I be okay with that.

Orochi wasted his df, and he doesn't even feel like a Villain

Like fuck, if my grandpa planned a coup and after he dies, the whole nation started a witch hunt on the rest of my family, if I have the power, I'd do shit that's even worse than him.
 
#59
Oden ruined Kaido. Oden shouldn't have done Kaido dirty. Also make oden more intelligent and tactical.

Scabbards should be reduced to half.

Yamato I have no problems with. Her oden gag should be erased and she should have been more mature women in terms of intelligence.
 
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