Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1175 Spoilers Discussion

[ShishioIsBack]

So if world nobles invaded Wano, why doesn't Oden know about the Marines and asks Whitebeard about a global organization?

Either it wasn't really Cd's and it was a translation error, or it was only random CD's who poked their noses too far. But if Imu fought Zoro's ancestors, he and the Gorosei would talk to Zoro about it like they did to Rocks, or Loki this chapter, and he would call him Ryuma and stuff.

For now, he doesn't really seem to care about any strawhats ancestory, including Luffy.

My little brother World Nobles tried to invade Wano in Ryuma's era at least 400 Years ago and possibly in Void Century and God their ASSES HANDED TO THEM and since then they have an unwritten rule..we will try to invade and rule the entire world, but leave Wano alone, it is the country of Sword God and who knows what else is waiting for us since we last got destroyed.

Wano is the only country where Imu just gave up after getting bitch slapped. Even with Elbaf he keeps trying because I guess no one like Ryuma was there who he stood no chance against.

 

[MUUGEN]

With DJ he defeated Jyabura with zero difficulty, and with IJ he brutally assaulted Queen. I said that Sanji and Zoro "play hard to get" with their opponents, but when they decide to win or unlock an ability, they win easily. If Zoro were to have a second fight against King, he would win with zero difficulty.

Jabra wasnt zero difficulty but we can also argue that was Sanjis strongest arc and he needed to go all out to damage Jabra even then he needed more than one DJ to actually finish him off...

exactly he had to spam IJ in order to defeat his opponent once again going all out while getting 2 powercreeps just to do any significant damage against a hakiless Queen, not impressive one bit. Sanjis has never beaten a final arc opponent with one attack he needs to spam multiple.

Zoro has never had a zero difficulty opponent until the NW until he came across the top tiers, Zoro still struggled against pacifistas, if there is a rematch zoro still does not win with zero difficulty at this point in the story against Kin for any YC1 for that matter. After he understands AdvCoC is another story. Zoro can one shot when he needs to.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Being as strong as Kizaru is an excellent W for Sanji.

Agreed but it would be pathetic if EoS Zoro ended at mere Admiral level.
He is probably already stronger than admiral now that he has zero CoC issues @Paragorn

 

[Nagasaki]

My little brother World Nobles tried to invade Wano in Ryuma's era at least 400 Years ago and possibly in Void Century and God their ASSES HANDED TO THEM and since then they have an unwritten rule..we will try to invade and rule the entire world, but leave Wano alone, it is the country of Sword God and who knows what else is waiting for us since we last got destroyed.

Wano is the only country where Imu just gave up after getting bitch slapped. Even with Elbaf he keeps trying because I guess no one like Ryuma was there who he stood no chance against.

His theories make a lot of sense.

 

[MUUGEN]

You think the right hand man of the God of War would be any less?

 

[Dragon777]

Imo its a black blade but he is not the original master of it. This black blade behaves like enma but since it wielded by a admiral I would assume its one of the 12 so it would take away even more of green bulls haki. This would explain why he could not use the blade on the holy land because it is massively destructive cutting up everything .

As shown with zoro enma would have killed him since it was constantly draining his haki. Greenbull does not have this problem because he has a df that feeds off of the life of others around him. I would imagine that gb with this sword and his fruit fighting a large group of people is nearly undefeatable. Imagine mihawk type attacks with basically no end as long as he had a source of energy to regain his strength.

Lastly imo the way you defeat him is with overwhelming haki just as shanks showed us you have to force him out of his df form only then will you be able to stop him .

Sorry, I'm late.

I like the theory, and bottom line I think it's possible that Aramaky didn't forge it, even though by Occam's razor I think he did. In the end, why introduce a kokuto and give Aramaki one when it could have been (even in this scenario) a "normal" Saijo, even though working like Enma?
Ok, Gods now are being introduced and so super strong characters are being introduced, but this forces you to "create" another black blade forger just for Aramaki to have a BB... which for him wouldn't change much for him. It would be totally different if he indeed forged him black.

Also, imho, GB's sword is one of the 21 too, just because I think the Yoru will remain the only black Saijo, but this is merely a guess.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Either it wasn't really Cd's and it was a translation error just implying nobles from around the world, or it was only random CD's who poked their noses too far. But if Imu fought Zoro's ancestors, he and the Gorosei would talk to Zoro about it like they did to Rocks, or Loki this chapter, and he would call him Ryuma and stuff. And CD's don't really care much about gold, they want slaves and people to kill.

For now, he doesn't really seem to care about any strawhats ancestory, including Luffy.

That is a good point but once again Manga hasn't concluded, Zoro hasn't reached his pinnacle where he does Ryuma like things, he hasn't even faced Imu yet, closest thing to that was his 1v1 Encounter with Gandhi, where he looked pretty fucking strong btw.


Imu is on the eye of the storm, there is Imu possessing someone in Elbaf and he is seeing the Devil Fruit that he has bad history with, and Xebec also was seen as Davey Jones by Imu but Blackbeard has yet to do that.

Just like how Imu has shown no concern for Blackbeard despite him joining World Government at one point and now being one of the most famous pirates, he maybe will get Imu's attention in future. Same applies to Zoro and Luffy.

 

[SkySanji]

@Sir Yasheen Anything to say?

 

[ShishioIsBack]

I only state fax.

 

[soupongo]

My little brother World Nobles tried to invade Wano in Ryuma's era at least 400 Years ago and possibly in Void Century and God their ASSES HANDED TO THEM and since then they have an unwritten rule..we will try to invade and rule the entire world, but leave Wano alone, it is the country of Sword God and who knows what else is waiting for us since we last got destroyed.

Wano is the only country where Imu just gave up after getting bitch slapped. Even with Elbaf he keeps trying because I guess no one like Ryuma was there who he stood no chance against.

Even if I take for granted that the Nobles invaded Wano, Imu doesn't really leave his throne room much? We don't know of him fighting anyone after the void century except Xebec who is a Davy, and he isn't interested in Zoro's family history like Rocks/Teach. You can even compare Saturn last arc asking the Blackbeard pirates about his heritage while the Hk don't even know about Zoro.

Anyway, it doesn't make Ryuma/Zoro weak, Imcel didn't care about the Yonko+Roger/Garp either. you just can't fight Imu without God fruits and they don't have them. Maybe Ryuma could be in a flashback with Nusjuro, but he wasn't alive in the VC, so he didn't fight Imu/was in the mural.

 

[D. Plant]

Nidhogg is now confirmed to be Loki's fruit and it can reincarnate into devil fruit. In addition, Ratatoskr can even possesses into an object. So question is where are the Fenrir, Jormungandr, and Draugr? I think Imu had them kept away inside the freezer storage at MJ.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Regen is a pretty good gimmick, I especially like Oda’s interpretation and visualization of it.

I just wish the counter was repeated Internal Armament attacks so the Knights of God have to perform better on screen, as opposed to them letting everything hit them because nothing but overwhelming CoC undoes their immortality

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

@Julius @soupongo @TheAncientCenturion @Shiroyru

A very powerful attack from G5 Luffy and then stomped by Loki, only for Sommers in the next chapter to regen from all that.

His fight is going to be great

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Those dudes literally never won a single fight against on screen, Sommers's only w is beating a retired History teacher Saul.

And children

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

@Julius @soupongo @TheAncientCenturion @Shiroyru

A very powerful attack from G5 Luffy and then stomped by Loki, only for Sommers in the next chapter to regen from all that.

people were trying to convince you that doffy is above sommers btw

 

[Dragon777]

Nidhogg is now confirmed to be Loki's fruit and it can reincarnate into devil fruit. In addition, Ratatoskr can even possesses into an object. So question is where are the Fenrir, Jormungandr, and Draugr? I think Imu had them kept away inside the freezer storage at MJ.

More important imho: Hræsvelgr.

Nidhogg and Ratatoskr are all here; where is Hræsvelgr)?

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Even if I take for granted that the Nobles invaded Wano, Imu doesn't really leave his throne room much? We don't know of him fighting anyone after the void century except Xebec who is a Davy, and he isn't interested in Zoro's family history like Rocks/Teach. You can even compare Saturn last arc asking the Blackbeard pirates about his heritage while the Hk don't even know about Zoro.

Anyway, it doesn't make Ryuma/Zoro weak, Imcel didn't care about the Yonko+Roger/Garp either. you just can't fight Imu without God fruits and they don't have them. Maybe Ryuma could be in a flashback with Nusjuro, but he wasn't alive in the VC, so he didn't fight Imu/was in the mural.

I guess that is one point you have going
But in One Piece real time Swordsmen without Fruits are embarrassing fruit users anyways. Shanks is the strongest Yonko and was strongest Yonko even in Rocks Subordinate, talking about Kaido and Big Mom, era.

Mihawk is strongest person alive and he has no devil fruit
Xebec without Devil Fruit was stronger than any devil fruit of his time.

Swordsmanship has been shown as extremely overpowered and if Ryuma is Davey Jones and Joy Boy Equivalent of his era, and based on the way Oda hyped him as a God of Blade, he should be, he even added "This Joy Boy must be equal to Ryuma" for fuck sakes in Wano, he could easily be God Tier Swordsman.

I think anyone who is legitimately called a "God" in One Piece and it isn't self proclaimed is probably gonna be a God Tier.

 

[nik87]

This is my guess...
Nidhogg is the reason, the true enemy of Imu but he never faced him before.
This is the ancient battle that he wants to bring to conclusion through Uranus+unlimited Mother Flame.
Imu probably heard the stories about him destroying his ancestors in the First World.
Nidhogg wasnt around in the 2nd world, in the Void Century war.
His existence is what causes Imu's nightmares and why he never conquered the world.
Along with Davy Jones, this is why Rocks said >you have been afraid for a long time.

 

[soupongo]

people were trying to convince you that doffy is above sommers btw

@TheAncientCenturion @Ven437
Don't let Tesla supplier bandwagon into the Gods Knights agenda, until he gets on his knees and begs for forgiveness, Harald style, for promoting Usopp Vs Killingham

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Anyway, it doesn't make Ryuma/Zoro weak, Imcel didn't care about the Yonko+Roger/Garp either.

I think Zoro will be 2 or 3 tiers above Roger at the end of story.