@soupongo Idk why people still use Part 1 statements to downplay Kisame when his fight with Bee very clearly proves Kishimoto retconned him to be much stronger. Jiraiya and Orochimaru are relative to 4 Tails Naruto. Kisame was beating V2 Bee, who is much stronger than 4T Naruto
I don't think Kisame was retconned necessarily. He remains like, tiers below Itachi, and keeps up that rivalry with Gai. Let's not forget that matchups play a role. Samehada can absorb chakra against Killer B, who replies on tailed beasts and is constantly... emiting it? Idk what to call it
Orochimaru was nerfed against 4 tails Naruto lol. Plus, did he even really lose or get overpowered? He was mostly messing around, until he realized it was too much of a threat to be a joke. It doesn't mean he'd lose necessarily.