Controversial Who needs a power up the most

#42
Robin

She had all it took to become a solid powerhouse within straw hats. Revo training, fishman karate, haki masters, busted devil fruit, high bounty portrayal...

Instead she got used as emotional fanservice and became more useless than chopper when the moment demanded it

Forget Usopp. Nobody cares about that stupidass annoying bum he's a lost cause
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#44
@ZenZu What’s dumber, thinking that Lucci is YC2/3 level, or thinking that Mr. Go is Vet level?
What's dumber, thinking Sakazuki Akainu is a full name or thinking cutting Diamond > cutting Moon ah question.

Probably Mr.Go is vet lvl since literal vet lvl fighters were running away from him/got bodied by him.
 
#46
Him clashing with G5 Luffy wasn't that different from Vista clashing with Mihawk, for example. And I would bet a few Ifrit Jambe kicks could do him in.
But we haven't seen Sanji have an actual fight since he defeated Queen, so who knows?
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You might genuinely Crux level dumb bro. By that logic, how do you scale any character in OP? You might as well say any fight can be comparable to Vista vs Mihawk.

And if we should randomly assume Sanji is stronger than when he fought Queen, you can again, say that about any character.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#47
This isn't really me hating on Lucci, though, it's more of me just being disappointed in how Oda and the fans portray him.
Look at him after one attack from Zoro, vs King after one attack from Zoro:


Can't you put your agenda, and your hate for me, aside and see how weird this is? Even for Oda?
Why have
:ihaha:

This man loses sleep at night at the fact that Oda refused to put Lucci down in Egghead, makes you sick to your stomach whenever someone mentions it
 
#48
@Topi Jerami look at MZTS fighting for his life to convince people Lucci isn't YC1 lvl in this thread.
This isn't about me hating Lucci or whatever, it's just disappointment with how Oda and the fans portray him, really.
Look how King took an attack from Zoro, vs how Lucci did:



And this is flame off King compared to awakened Lucci.
Put your hate for me and agenda for Lucci aside for a second, and let's just have a completely unbiased talk here. Don't you think this is a little sad, even for Oda, to do this to a villain like Lucci?
Was there really any reason for him to look this bad after one attack when King was basically fresh after an attack with a similar level of power?
I just think this isn't good portrayal, personally.
 
#49
You might genuinely Crux level dumb bro. By that logic, how do you scale any character in OP? You might as well say any fight can be comparable to Vista vs Mihawk.

And if we should randomly assume Sanji is stronger than when he fought Queen, you can again, say that about any character.
The point was just that random clashes with top tiers don't mean too much in the grand scheme of things.
Still solid feats, but, not enough to put them above characters that should logically be on their level.
:ihaha:

This man loses sleep at night at the fact that Oda refused to put Lucci down in Egghead, makes you sick to your stomach whenever someone mentions it
Accidentally pressed enter before I could finish the message you quoted there. But you get my point.
 
#51
The point was just that random clashes with top tiers don't mean too much in the grand scheme of things.
Talking about the "grand scheme of things" is obfuscation on your part. Who is arguing that Lucci is on Luffy's level? No one.

What's relevant is that it is actually a feat on his part, that could be very much argued as proving he's yc1 level. All the yapping is just to ignore that fact.
Still solid feats, but, not enough to put them above characters that should logically be on their level.
Which character is Lucci being put above that should logically be on his level? Anyway, as long as it's consistent, Lucci can logically be above characters that are still on his level.
 
#53
Helmeppo.

Helmeppo vs. Koby:
- Four years older than Koby, but they started training together at the same time.
- Two Marine ranks below Koby.
- One-star C.G. bounty (~100M) vs. [Special] five-star C.G. bounty (~500M).
- Koby is renowned for his "Hero" epithet, while Helmeppo does not even have one.

It would be great if Helmeppo went to Bogard for extra training after seeing how far he has fallen behind Koby and his other SWORD peers. This would also give Bogard a crumb of relevancy.
 
#58
Koby : His Hachinosu feat is still only Dressrosa Zoro level. He should be stronger than current Zoro, like between Law and Luffy in term of power.

Smoker : The way this character was written is a betrayal from Oda, he should be who Fujitora is rn. I'll even say Fujitora exists because Oda failed Smoker as a character.

Tashigi : What does she even do ? Is she just going to receive the swords though Jinbe's UPS delivery EOS ?

Luffy : Luffy post Kaido is stagnating. Btw if he does the "I'm hungry" thing in front of Imu he should get packed up immediately/ an important character should die. This can’t go smoothly like in Egghead even though he is not developing his Acoc and endurance.
Fujitora and Smoker are not similar other than being moral actors opposed to the Warlords.
 
#59
😂 True dude didn't even get invited to the Hachinosu raid but his right hand did that's crazy

I mean she didn't do much but she was there
You're saying that as if Smoker was there and got left behind.
Oda literally fucking drew him Admiral aura farming on the ocean with a mystery box, get a fucking grip.
 
#60
😂 True dude didn't even get invited to the Hachinosu raid but his right hand did that's crazy

I mean she didn't do much but she was there
Why should Smoker have been a character of focus in the first arc where Koby has an actual role post timeskip when he already had Punk Hazard?
 
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