Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1176: WITH GREAT PRIDE
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It's anticlimatic. It makes Xebec's death pointless and stupid.
Having the supreme villain of the series getting his power being countered by just killing the character that is reversed without even any mention of haki is underwhelming.
I and no one expected it to be a mental gym chess play, but there is literally nothing at it. Garp and Roger couldn't bring Xebec back despite unleashing their full power into one attack...
Having the supreme villain of the series getting his power being countered by just killing the character that is reversed without even any mention of haki is underwhelming.
I and no one expected it to be a mental gym chess play, but there is literally nothing at it. Garp and Roger couldn't bring Xebec back despite unleashing their full power into one attack...
Ever noticed this?
Whenever a new top tier shows up, who do people compare them to?
Not Katakuri.
Not Doflamingo.
Not Kizaru.
Not the Gorosei.
It’s almost always… Kaido.
If he was already “powercliffed,” why is he still the benchmark?
When Loki appears, nobody says “Is he above Katakuri?”
They say, “Is he above Kaido?”
At some point you’ve gotta ask —
do people subconsciously see Kaido as the strongest standard in the series?
He wasn’t just an arc villain. He was a raid boss.
So why is Kaido still the measuring stick?
Whenever a new top tier shows up, who do people compare them to?
Not Katakuri.
Not Doflamingo.
Not Kizaru.
Not the Gorosei.
It’s almost always… Kaido.
If he was already “powercliffed,” why is he still the benchmark?
When Loki appears, nobody says “Is he above Katakuri?”
They say, “Is he above Kaido?”
At some point you’ve gotta ask —
do people subconsciously see Kaido as the strongest standard in the series?
He wasn’t just an arc villain. He was a raid boss.
So why is Kaido still the measuring stick?
Big Mom is an arrogant fighter, and didn't take Law and Kidd seriously
Kaido wanted Luffy to kill him and Luffy to become Joy Boy
Hell, Luffy didn't even hit Kaido with Bajrang Gun naturally. Kaido could have avoided it and chose not to, he literally tells Luffy he's going to take the attack.
I think it's crazy that people have ever tried to put Luffy above Kaido, when the only reason the final attack hit is because he didn't move.
Hell, Kaido was trying to recruit Luffy for most of Wano.
When we'll see Linlin and Kaido pop off is when they're fighting Marines and the WG, because those are their actual enemies.
Kaido is going to do egregious shit to the WG in Wano Act Fur
I have Linlin eating at least 3 Vice Admirals, and i'm probably low balling it
That's what scares me the most. Between the wedding cake in her past with the semla, we have narrative evidence that Big Mom is strongest when she's hungry.
That's fucking terrifying
Oh come on not you too. No it's not anticlimatic and no it doesn't make Xebec's death pointless or stupid
Xebec's death is purposefully dramatic, unfair, unjust, forgotten, small to highlight the path of the character. It's a tragic death, it's meant to be read like this. It's not meant to be justified, or grandiose, or meaningfull (at least for his legacy) or bright. It means to be a dark mirror to the deaths of the D clans.
1. It's ONE of their power. Guyz, you need to understand that this is just ONE of the things Imu can do. And the fact that it can be countered is already a W.
2. We still don't know if Imu is the "supreme villain"
3. There is absolutely nothing underwhelming in that, It's a simple system of field control.
There is. It's just not meant to be extremelly complex. Everything doesn't have to be. It's meant to be a very well understood power with a very clear drawback but a very clear potential of destruction.
Like I said, it's a characterization tool. It's a strategic gamble. And the beauty relies in this parameter and this simplicity.
Guys, you need to go beyond the simple critic, really.
Xebec's death is purposefully dramatic, unfair, unjust, forgotten, small to highlight the path of the character. It's a tragic death, it's meant to be read like this. It's not meant to be justified, or grandiose, or meaningfull (at least for his legacy) or bright. It means to be a dark mirror to the deaths of the D clans.
1. It's ONE of their power. Guyz, you need to understand that this is just ONE of the things Imu can do. And the fact that it can be countered is already a W.
2. We still don't know if Imu is the "supreme villain"
3. There is absolutely nothing underwhelming in that, It's a simple system of field control.
There is. It's just not meant to be extremelly complex. Everything doesn't have to be. It's meant to be a very well understood power with a very clear drawback but a very clear potential of destruction.
Like I said, it's a characterization tool. It's a strategic gamble. And the beauty relies in this parameter and this simplicity.
Guys, you need to go beyond the simple critic, really.
Oh come on not you too. No it's not anticlimatic and no it doesn't make Xebec's death pointless or stupid
Xebec's death is purposefully dramatic, unfair, unjust, forgotten, small to highlight the path of the character. It's a tragic death, it's meant to be read like this. It's not meant to be justified, or grandiose, or meaningfull (at least for his legacy) or bright. It means to be a dark mirror to the deaths of the D clans.
1. It's ONE of their power. Guyz, you need to understand that this is just ONE of the things Imu can do. And the fact that it can be countered is already a W.
2. We still don't know if Imu is the "supreme villain"
3. There is absolutely nothing underwhelming in that, It's a simple system of field control.
There is. It's just not meant to be extremelly complex. Everything doesn't have to be. It's meant to be a very well understood power with a very clear drawback but a very clear potential of destruction.
Like I said, it's a characterization tool. It's a strategic gamble. And the beauty relies in this parameter and this simplicity.
Guys, you need to go beyond the simple critic, really.
Xebec's death is purposefully dramatic, unfair, unjust, forgotten, small to highlight the path of the character. It's a tragic death, it's meant to be read like this. It's not meant to be justified, or grandiose, or meaningfull (at least for his legacy) or bright. It means to be a dark mirror to the deaths of the D clans.
1. It's ONE of their power. Guyz, you need to understand that this is just ONE of the things Imu can do. And the fact that it can be countered is already a W.
2. We still don't know if Imu is the "supreme villain"
3. There is absolutely nothing underwhelming in that, It's a simple system of field control.
There is. It's just not meant to be extremelly complex. Everything doesn't have to be. It's meant to be a very well understood power with a very clear drawback but a very clear potential of destruction.
Like I said, it's a characterization tool. It's a strategic gamble. And the beauty relies in this parameter and this simplicity.
Guys, you need to go beyond the simple critic, really.
It's really sad to see people seek in the OP story things that have no place in it. You'd think that after 1176 chapters, people would understand that... This hunger for critics is so damagefull ... for your experience (mine is fine)
On top of that, these critics here completely invisibilize the actual amazing narrative weight of the chapter in the sense that it was constructed as a roller coaster of emotions. This really saddens me that people will miss that just because they want Death Notes in One Piece.
On top of that, these critics here completely invisibilize the actual amazing narrative weight of the chapter in the sense that it was constructed as a roller coaster of emotions. This really saddens me that people will miss that just because they want Death Notes in One Piece.
You seem to be at your peak in term of humor. Enjoy yourself, you are lucky.
As for critics, again, I have critics of One Piece that people here would not even think about. I'm not here to dickride Oda, I'm here to share my enjoyment, and it's impossible since I'm doing so in a space where media literacy disappeared. Like, i'm not even exagerating at this point. People read the story backward, literally.
But hey, keep at it mate, I'm sure you will do great on instagram
As for critics, again, I have critics of One Piece that people here would not even think about. I'm not here to dickride Oda, I'm here to share my enjoyment, and it's impossible since I'm doing so in a space where media literacy disappeared. Like, i'm not even exagerating at this point. People read the story backward, literally.
But hey, keep at it mate, I'm sure you will do great on instagram
Rocks' death is meant to rebuke his way of living in contrast to Roger. That's why Oda made them opposites in several ways.
Roger was born in the East Blue, Rocks in the West Blue.
Roger gathered friends, Rocks gathered subordinates.
Roger embraced death on his own terms, Rocks was rushed into an early grave.
Roger died smiling and few regrets, Rocks died crying and in despair.
The one who with no interest in dominating others died the King of Pirates, immortalised in legend.
The one who was obsessed with dominating others died forgotten, erased from history.
Luffy mirrors Roger.
Teach mirrors Rocks.
Roger was born in the East Blue, Rocks in the West Blue.
Roger gathered friends, Rocks gathered subordinates.
Roger embraced death on his own terms, Rocks was rushed into an early grave.
Roger died smiling and few regrets, Rocks died crying and in despair.
The one who with no interest in dominating others died the King of Pirates, immortalised in legend.
The one who was obsessed with dominating others died forgotten, erased from history.
Luffy mirrors Roger.
Teach mirrors Rocks.
dory and brogy killed each other off the rip with no haki and rocks was fighting for his life and was killed by the strongest pirate and the strongest marine going all out in a combined ACoC attack. he probably just came back more hurt because of that.
the only real inconsistency so far is why rocks killed his own family. if you just kill DR people to turn them normal, Rocks should have saved them.
the only real inconsistency so far is why rocks killed his own family. if you just kill DR people to turn them normal, Rocks should have saved them.
Exactly.
I can understand that people are once again being parasocial with Xebec, trying to justify his death or to make it more meaningfull, it's an amazing character with a very cool story. We all want our favorite character to die in hero or even against a power, justified, impossible force. It helps us create martyrs out of them.
But that's not the point here. Xebec is meant to highlight the pressure and control of Imu. The darkness that can render meaningless even the most badass character.
So Xebec died by the sword of a knight. In silence.
I can understand that people are once again being parasocial with Xebec, trying to justify his death or to make it more meaningfull, it's an amazing character with a very cool story. We all want our favorite character to die in hero or even against a power, justified, impossible force. It helps us create martyrs out of them.
But that's not the point here. Xebec is meant to highlight the pressure and control of Imu. The darkness that can render meaningless even the most badass character.
So Xebec died by the sword of a knight. In silence.
Also, there is a big problem in the fanbaseS in the relationship between what they think character can do and the contextualization of their capacities.
There is this very toxic urge to essentialize a character's potential in a very psychologizing and frankly distubring way:
"X has been shown to be stronger than Y therefore if Y depicts a show of strenght or mindpower stronger than X there must be a problem in the writing"
1. This has never been the way One Piece worked. Oda always contextualize the emotionnal state and capacities of the character in battles.
2. Imagine if we thought about humans in the real world that way. it's a fascistic view of the world that absolutely needs to be questionned in terms of media literacy. People are not robots, people are not always perfect and at 100%, people are not at max capacities all the times and the purpose of a story is to highlight the fact that in different circoumstances, we can arrive to different outcomes for you to empathize with the characters and the situation.
Xebec was alone, in despair, hopeless, terrified, completely vanquished by the control of Imu. The Giant had a reason not to give up, not to lose hope and they were not alone in their paradigm.
This is why you need to go BEYOND the simple critic when you read One Piece, because despite what people think, it's not an obvious story. It will not take your hand to deliver all the informations. You need to seek the treasure of the chapters or you will end up in apathy or worst.. hatred.
There is this very toxic urge to essentialize a character's potential in a very psychologizing and frankly distubring way:
"X has been shown to be stronger than Y therefore if Y depicts a show of strenght or mindpower stronger than X there must be a problem in the writing"
1. This has never been the way One Piece worked. Oda always contextualize the emotionnal state and capacities of the character in battles.
2. Imagine if we thought about humans in the real world that way. it's a fascistic view of the world that absolutely needs to be questionned in terms of media literacy. People are not robots, people are not always perfect and at 100%, people are not at max capacities all the times and the purpose of a story is to highlight the fact that in different circoumstances, we can arrive to different outcomes for you to empathize with the characters and the situation.
Xebec was alone, in despair, hopeless, terrified, completely vanquished by the control of Imu. The Giant had a reason not to give up, not to lose hope and they were not alone in their paradigm.
This is why you need to go BEYOND the simple critic when you read One Piece, because despite what people think, it's not an obvious story. It will not take your hand to deliver all the informations. You need to seek the treasure of the chapters or you will end up in apathy or worst.. hatred.