Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1176: WITH GREAT PRIDE
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You literally cannot read a story if you think Rocks was a "villain" and not an antihero. He's basically "what if blackbeard was luffy". Whole flashback was him fighting for noble reasons like friendship and family and robbing corrupt institutions that stole from the poor. He's pirate robin hood lol. Some of his crew is evil but he's clearly not even a bad person.
Rocks victimised innocent people, dipshit. He didn't just want to take down Imu, he wanted to replace Imu.
However old you are, you are too old to be idolising a mfer that wanted to dominate the world as a hero.
There was nothing heroic about Rocks. He didn't want to tear down the system, he just wanted to be the boot.
However old you are, you are too old to be idolising a mfer that wanted to dominate the world as a hero.
There was nothing heroic about Rocks. He didn't want to tear down the system, he just wanted to be the boot.
He wanted to make the world better the only way he knew how, by tearing it down and replacing it with himself, the guy who ran Pirate's Paradise, the most free island in the ocean. You think a guy who believes he can rule better than the current rulers is as bad as ancient demons, slavery, institutionalized rape etc.
Rocks never owned slaves. He's not Blackbeard.
Rocks never owned slaves. He's not Blackbeard.
Now that you mentioned it, could you share what kind of criticism do you have for OP? I don't think I've ever seen you sharing some (but I also haven't read all the threads here, obviously).
For me, my main criticism would be introducing too many characters and then not having enough focus on the main players, i.e. SHP. A lot of things that annoy me one way or another are often caused by this. Overall I see shortcomings of the story, but I can also see its good parts, and hey, I am still reading it 20 years later, so it cannot be that shit, right?)))) I do overreact sometimes, and I believe DR thing could've been explained better, and I still don't like Imu as a BBEG, but.... I want to see the One Piece, I want to see SHP dreams come true, I want that world to become a better place once the story ends (and apparently it will), I want to know more OP lore (like with the mural). Elbaph is probably my favourite post-TS arc for now, I would rate it even higher than some pre-TS arcs.
For me, my main criticism would be introducing too many characters and then not having enough focus on the main players, i.e. SHP. A lot of things that annoy me one way or another are often caused by this. Overall I see shortcomings of the story, but I can also see its good parts, and hey, I am still reading it 20 years later, so it cannot be that shit, right?)))) I do overreact sometimes, and I believe DR thing could've been explained better, and I still don't like Imu as a BBEG, but.... I want to see the One Piece, I want to see SHP dreams come true, I want that world to become a better place once the story ends (and apparently it will), I want to know more OP lore (like with the mural). Elbaph is probably my favourite post-TS arc for now, I would rate it even higher than some pre-TS arcs.
Don't put words in my mouth and quit making shit up.
Rocks wanted to be king of the world. He neither expressed nor indicated ANY desire to liberate others.
And even if he believed the ends would justify the means, what made him a villain was his willingness victimise the innocent for his ambitions.
Most bad people don't think they're bad, and the most compelling villains tend to be justified, to a degree. Belonging to a persecuted people made Rocks a victim in his own right, but that changes little.
He understood the world as dog eat dog, he just wanted to be one on top, and he cared little about who had to get hurt to accomplish that.
It's very convenient of you to just ignore the fact Rocks victimised the innocent to advance his goals so you can indulge in head canon over nobler intentions you WISH Rocks had.
Grow up and learn to appreciate the work Oda put in write a compelling villain.
Rocks wanted to be king of the world. He neither expressed nor indicated ANY desire to liberate others.
And even if he believed the ends would justify the means, what made him a villain was his willingness victimise the innocent for his ambitions.
Most bad people don't think they're bad, and the most compelling villains tend to be justified, to a degree. Belonging to a persecuted people made Rocks a victim in his own right, but that changes little.
He understood the world as dog eat dog, he just wanted to be one on top, and he cared little about who had to get hurt to accomplish that.
It's very convenient of you to just ignore the fact Rocks victimised the innocent to advance his goals so you can indulge in head canon over nobler intentions you WISH Rocks had.
Grow up and learn to appreciate the work Oda put in write a compelling villain.
Good chapter. Sanji attacking Killingham was cool, I doubt its over, hopefully we get a full fight.
I like the nerf to Imu's power. You kill the host and they return back to normal. Not too ridiculous of a work-around, and I have no problem with it.
The threat is pretty much gone now though, the 3 Celestial Dragons don't seem like they will put up much of a fight against Loki and the SH's. This arc will probably be coming to a close very soon unless Shamrock comes back, then shit would get real in a hurry.
I'm kind of tired of Elbaf though, it was more of a flashback arc, a good one by the way, but I'm ready for the next island unless the 3 Celestial Dragons all have a power-up incoming that will extend the final battle for Elbaf. As it stands though, its looking like the villains are done for and the entire conflict with the demon giants and kids has been mostly resolved.
I like the nerf to Imu's power. You kill the host and they return back to normal. Not too ridiculous of a work-around, and I have no problem with it.
The threat is pretty much gone now though, the 3 Celestial Dragons don't seem like they will put up much of a fight against Loki and the SH's. This arc will probably be coming to a close very soon unless Shamrock comes back, then shit would get real in a hurry.
I'm kind of tired of Elbaf though, it was more of a flashback arc, a good one by the way, but I'm ready for the next island unless the 3 Celestial Dragons all have a power-up incoming that will extend the final battle for Elbaf. As it stands though, its looking like the villains are done for and the entire conflict with the demon giants and kids has been mostly resolved.
yeah, it feels like we need to either push away the villains entirely and turn the arc into something else before leaving elbaf, the villains need to do something unexpected that turns their situation around because it looks impossible for them to do anything now, or a third party needs to show up and fuck everything up.
the first one would be kind of satisfying but also kind of unsatisfying because it's weird to put the overwhelming world-controlling villains on the back foot so easily. maybe shamrock will show up like yeah i took care of the holy land. you guys are fucking up huh. and be a real asshole. or blackbeard is a big possibility imo, because of all the rocks setup and rocks wanting two specific devil fruits and one is loki's etc.
the first one would be kind of satisfying but also kind of unsatisfying because it's weird to put the overwhelming world-controlling villains on the back foot so easily. maybe shamrock will show up like yeah i took care of the holy land. you guys are fucking up huh. and be a real asshole. or blackbeard is a big possibility imo, because of all the rocks setup and rocks wanting two specific devil fruits and one is loki's etc.
I just want to point something out about Domi Reversi.
Remember when Brogy got his hand blown off by Imu's shotgun?
(Chapter 1150)
Well...if you look VERY closely, Brogy doesn't have a hand anymore, after getting un-Reversi'd. There's just a stump there, when we see him from above. Even though, he pretty quickly hides it behind his shield.
(Chapter 1176)
So, remember when Rocks first got Reversi'd?
(Chapter 1163)
He ALSO happened to get stabbed though the chest by Imu's "tentacles".
Imu seems to need to inflict damage in order to "infect" someone with Domi Reversi. And that damage doesn't "heal" after they get out of it.
It's not inconsistent writing. It's just VERY easy to miss.
So...Rocks likely was mortally wounded...by tentacles. It's how he would have wanted to go.
Remember when Brogy got his hand blown off by Imu's shotgun?
(Chapter 1150)
Well...if you look VERY closely, Brogy doesn't have a hand anymore, after getting un-Reversi'd. There's just a stump there, when we see him from above. Even though, he pretty quickly hides it behind his shield.
(Chapter 1176)
So, remember when Rocks first got Reversi'd?
(Chapter 1163)
He ALSO happened to get stabbed though the chest by Imu's "tentacles".
Imu seems to need to inflict damage in order to "infect" someone with Domi Reversi. And that damage doesn't "heal" after they get out of it.
It's not inconsistent writing. It's just VERY easy to miss.
So...Rocks likely was mortally wounded...by tentacles. It's how he would have wanted to go.
He´s not fighting corrupt institutions nor opposing the WG because they´re corrupt, he´s doings so because that´s the reality of any existing power structures in the OP world. His ultimate goal is to become the King of the world, which is the most generic villain goal in fictional history. GV is the exception, because yeah, caring about family is his positive side, but his pirate career as a whole was not about a love for family nor fighting for some ¨greater good¨
Nah, it´s not a coincidence that most of his crew are evil and play the role as significant villains in the story, while his son, who is the second or final villain of the series also follows in his ideals. They admire him for being strong, kidnapping kings, killing people and destroying towns for the sake of it, which is what inspires Big Mom, Kaido, Shiki, Blackbeard etc.
Nah, it´s not a coincidence that most of his crew are evil and play the role as significant villains in the story, while his son, who is the second or final villain of the series also follows in his ideals. They admire him for being strong, kidnapping kings, killing people and destroying towns for the sake of it, which is what inspires Big Mom, Kaido, Shiki, Blackbeard etc.