Speculations We don't know anything about awakenings?

[Impact]

Let's discuss the things we know about it so we don't say "it's impossible to know because nobody explained it!"

I'll be adding to this with a list.

1. Doflamingo stated an awakening is when the fruit starts affecting things other than the user's own body.

2. We have at least 4 examples of awakened paramecia users. Doflamingo, Katakuri, Trafalgar, and Eustass.

3. We have at least 9 examples of awakened zoan users. The Five Elder Stars, Killingham, Lucci, Kaku, and Luffy, and 14 if we include the Jailer Beasts.

4. The Jailer Beasts were the first example of when an awakened zoan fruit overwhelms a person's mind.

So far, everything works with what Doflamingo said originally, except the normal zoans. That is, Doflamingo, Katakuri, Trafalgar, Eustass, and Luffy, have all shown the ability to affect things other than their own bodies using an awakened ability. Luffy is the exception among the awakened zoans and is able to use an ability on the surrounding environment because he's not a normal zoan. Mythic zoans seem capable of influencing the environment in a special way compared to paramecia users because Doflamingo, Katakuri, Law, and Eustass dont affect their opponent when they touch them, but Luffy does.

That gives a good picture of how the paramecia, normal zoan, and mythic zoans change with an awakening. The normal zoan users don't really change their surroundings, but paramecia and mythic zoan users can to different degrees.

This leaves the only true speculations to the logia class which has never had a showcase yet for awakening. However, we should assume that they will affect things other than their own body as Doflamingo stated rather than assuming a random ability upgrade happens.

If you want MY thoughts on what happens with a logia, then we are about to discuss a particular change that transcends what the other awakenings have done. The reason the logia awakening is special is because all the other fruits try to change the surrounding environment (except the normal zoans), but the thing they can't do is combine their bodies with it once they've done that. If a logia affects something other than his body, then he can combine his body with that thing. That causes a strange upgrade and I'm not sure what happens. A lot of different things could happen.

Something I suspect could happen is the Logia Defense mechanism being brought back. The problem with armament haki and logia users previously was they could find the real body because the entire thing was their body. For example, if Smoker turns into smoke, the entire smoke cloud is his body. If you use armament haki, then you can punch any part of it and it will hit him. However, what happens when he starts combining things other than his own body in the smoke? Then, it's a confusing mess again to find out which parts are the logia and which parts he just added to himself.

 

[RiShin]

Hopefully, Oda will stop obsessing over God-tier fruits and instead focus on awakenings, so the all-mighty Logia fruits can shine again.

Speaking about Smoker, he should be the first to show the logia awakening powers. As he was the first logia user shown.

Now what abilities awakening can do for logias? Maybe summon element clones that can actually take damage but the real body wont get hurt anymore. Much harder to find the real body using CoO. I know its very basic but oda isnt that creative anymore imho. Then logias can have special abilities tune to said fruit such as..

If kuzan has awakening, his special ability could freeze time for several seconds.
Smoker can snuff the air in a person lungs or poison them.
Kizaru really attacks at the speed of light with no CD.

 

[Juanpiz]

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Hopefully, Oda will stop obsessing over God-tier fruits and instead focus on awakenings, so the all-mighty Logia fruits can shine again.

Speaking about Smoker, he should be the first to show the logia awakening powers. As he was the first logia user shown.

Now what abilities awakening can do for logias? Maybe summon element clones that can actually take damage but the real body wont get hurt anymore. Much harder to find the real body using CoO. I know its very basic but oda isnt that creative anymore imho. Then logias can have special abilities tune to said fruit such as..

If kuzan has awakening, his special ability could freeze time for several seconds.
Smoker can snuff the air in a person lungs or poison them.
Kizaru really attacks at the speed of light with no CD.

Wait for Dragons Wind Logia

 

[Rumble]

It's not that we don't know anything about Awakenings.

It's that Oda is dog shit at developing these deeper concepts.

He also very clearly does shit like hold back on DF weapons so they don't become too oversaturated before his little prince Shanks shows off his weapon.

Same with black blades. Damn near 1200 chapters in and Zoro STILL has to wait. He should have awakened his first in Wano.

I can accept certain Zoan DFs refusing to acknowledge the user and taking longer to Awaken, but DF should be able to conquer those DFs and change their personalities. For example, Kaidou's Azure Dragon DF, which in mythology is a benevolent protector, should have taken him longer to Awaken because of the evil in Kaidou's heart, and part of what made Kaidou special is that he was able to overpower it, thereby have a corrupting influence on whoever consumed it next.

 

[Juanpiz]

It's not that we don't know anything about Awakenings.

It's that Oda is dog shit as developing these deeper concepts.

He also very clearly does shit like hold back on DF weapons so they don't become too oversaturated before his little prince Shanks shows off his weapon.

Same with black blades. Damn near 1200 chapters in and Zoro STILL has to wait. He should have awakened his first in Wano.

I can accept certain Zoan DFs refusing to acknowledge the user and taking longer to Awaken, but DF should be able to conquer those DFs and change their personalities. For example, Kaidou's Azure Dragon DF, which in mythology is a benevolent protector, should have taken him longer to Awaken because of the evil in Kaidou's heart, and part of what made Kaidou special is that he was able to overpower it, thereby have a corrupting influence on whoever consumed it next.

Also awekening is rather Hype..Doffy got defeated and jailer beasts Are forgotten

 

[Dragon777]

Let's discuss the things we know about it so we don't say "it's impossible to know because nobody explained it!"

I'll be adding to this with a list.

1. Doflamingo stated an awakening is when the fruit starts affecting things other than the user's own body.

2. We have at least 4 examples of awakened paramecia users. Doflamingo, Katakuri, Trafalgar, and Eustass.

3. We have at least 9 examples of awakened zoan users. The Five Elder Stars, Killingham, Lucci, Kaku, and Luffy, and 14 if we include the Jailer Beasts.

4. The Jailer Beasts were the first example of when an awakened zoan fruit overwhelms a person's mind.

So far, everything works with what Doflamingo said originally, except the normal zoans. That is, Doflamingo, Katakuri, Trafalgar, Eustass, and Luffy, have all shown the ability to affect things other than their own bodies using an awakened ability. Luffy is the exception among the awakened zoans and is able to use an ability on the surrounding environment because he's not a normal zoan. Mythic zoans seem capable of influencing the environment in a special way compared to paramecia users because Doflamingo, Katakuri, Law, and Eustass dont affect their opponent when they touch them, but Luffy does.

That gives a good picture of how the paramecia, normal zoan, and mythic zoans change with an awakening. The normal zoan users don't really change their surroundings, but paramecia and mythic zoan users can to different degrees.

This leaves the only true speculations to the logia class which has never had a showcase yet for awakening. However, we should assume that they will affect things other than their own body as Doflamingo stated rather than assuming a random ability upgrade happens.

If you want MY thoughts on what happens with a logia, then we are about to discuss a particular change that transcends what the other awakenings have done. The reason the logia awakening is special is because all the other fruits try to change the surrounding environment (except the normal zoans), but the thing they can't do is combine their bodies with it once they've done that. If a logia affects something other than his body, then he can combine his body with that thing. That causes a strange upgrade and I'm not sure what happens. A lot of different things could happen.

Something I suspect could happen is the Logia Defense mechanism being brought back. The problem with armament haki and logia users previously was they could find the real body because the entire thing was their body. For example, if Smoker turns into smoke, the entire smoke cloud is his body. If you use armament haki, then you can punch any part of it and it will hit him. However, what happens when he starts combining things other than his own body in the smoke? Then, it's a confusing mess again to find out which parts are the logia and which parts he just added to himself.

There are a lot of theories.

I agree simply changing the surroundings wouldn't do much for a logia.
Fusing Is as good guess as any; I have seen other saying awakening makes logia's element "alive" (there is even a fanfic on this), and so on.

 

[Impact]

There are a lot of theories.

I agree simply changing the surroundings wouldn't do much for a logia.
Fusing Is as good guess as any; I have seen other saying awakening makes logia's element "alive" (there is even a fanfic on this), and so on.

What I expect is a more developed Avatar form. Generally, Logia users often have the ability to transform. This transformation may gain access to new abilities upon awakening.

Note: Coincidentally, Greenbull, Enel, and Caesar Clown all were of a relative size this way.

 

[Dragon777]

What I expect is a more developed Avatar form. Generally, Logia users often have the ability to transform. This transformation may gain access to new abilities upon awakening.

Note: Coincidentally, Greenbull, Enel, and Caesar Clown all were of a relative size this way.

That could do It too, even though for now the bigger forms has been kind of fodder.

 

[Impact]

That could do It too, even though for now the bigger forms has been kind of fodder.

Yeah, but everything is fodder when you compare it to something like the idea of unlimited Conqueror's Haki, but I'm not sure disregarding every devil fruit because Haki exists makes sense.

What I'm suggesting with them is that an awakened Logia user may access a God form. Aside from Luffy's Haki, he's just using a God form himself with the Nika Fruit.

 

[Dragon777]

Everything is fodder when you compare it to the idea of unlimited Conqueror's Haki, but I'm not sure disregarding every devil fruit just because Haki exists makes sense.

It's not much about haki, but the the fact that those forms, for now, have been useless explicitly, usually because of the situations (especially in Ener's case), but nevertheless.

As of now (recent) Awakenings have been incredible Power ups even confrontred with CoC. The Giant forms instead have been only big fodders and in Ryo's case even the first trick out of the bag.

 

[Impact]

It's not much about haki, but the the fact that those forms, for now, have been useless explicitly, usually because of the situations (especially in Ener's case), but nevertheless.

As of now (recent) Awakenings have been incredible Power ups even confrontred with CoC. The Giant forms instead have been only big fodders and in Ryo's case even the first trick out of the bag.

Oh, really?

Enel and Caesar Clown used those at the climax of their fights and Greenbull used his every time he has fought except for when he fought King and Queen who didn't warrant him going all out yet.

 

[Dragon777]

Oh, really?

Enel and Caesar Clown used those at the climax of their fights and Greenbull used his every time he has fought except for when he fought King and Queen who didn't warrant him going all out yet.

Exactly, and both Enel and CC procedeed to be owned the second after.

As for Ryo, It was, as said, the literal first trick out of the bag, which he used bascially against anyone. Worse even, since he used it in Marijoa where he chaimed It was "impossible to fight".
As far as portrayal goes, that's almost the opposite of some final level techinque.

I don't discard the idea of new forms in general. That could be. Those form aren't though, maybe Eneru's aside.

 

[Impact]

Exactly, and both Enel and CC procedeed to be owned the second after.

As for Ryo, It was, as said, the literal first trick out of the bag, which he used bascially against anyone. Worse even, since he used it in Marijoa where he chaimed It was "impossible to fight".
As far as portrayal goes, that's almost the opposite of some final level techinque.

I don't discard the idea of new forms in general. That could be. Those form aren't though, maybe Eneru's aside.

You're basically lying about their importance. Those forms were not "explicitly" stated to be fodder. That is your own personal spin on it.
- Luffy almost lost his arms against Caesar. The SAD gas was causing Luffy to become stone.
- Luffy almost lost his arm against Enel because the Golden Ball Luffy was relying on was burning him.
- Greenbull didn't use his form until he met the Scabbards, and it took both Momonosuke using the Bolo Breath and Shanks wifi-diffing him to make him stop. He didn't bother using it when he fought King and Queen who were previously defeated.

For something to be considered "fodder" it can't pose a threat to people. In each of those cases, the threat became bigger when they transformed.

I don't intend to continue the discussion.

 

[Dragon777]

You're basically lying about their importance.
- They were not "explicitly" stated to be fodder. That is your own personal spin on it.

I don't intend to continue the discussion.

I am simply stating what happen. Both Enel and CC's forms did absolutely nothing in both situations and proceeded to get owned by Luffy.

Ryo's used his as his first name techinque (literally) and worse so in a situations where he said It was impossible to fight.

That's as far as you can get from peak techinques, with the only possible expection of Ener.

 

[Impact]

The Avatar form is their go-to ability when they want to go all-out it seems. For me, an ability like that wouldn't just disappear when they awaken- it would upgrade.

The way I see this upgrade working is simple yet elegant. The Logia user would become a true embodiment of their element. Without awakening, they act like a lesser God with lesser abilities, but when they awaken they act like a higher God with supreme abilities.

How would Enel interpret it? He would already say he's Kami. In other words, if he received an awakening, he would become Super-Kami.