Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1176: WITH GREAT PRIDE

[Logiko]

Where are the 2 giant puncture wounds on Xebec’s chest after DR? The tentacles were just hax and didn’t physically hurt him

That's headcanon.

We can already see the one who touched his right chest, the other is probably hidden under the perspective on the left of the belly.

This just isn´t true lol? In Rocks´s most important monologue, he talks about his dreams of ruling the world, not bringing justice to the tennrybuto or anything

Look at my profil picture please.

Why lol? Blackbeard is essentially following Rocks´s blueprint. He wants to rule the world, he took over pirate island, he got one of the devil fruits he was after. The revolutionaries are not after this. You don´t think Teach knows about the system and government corruption, when he saw them genocide his whole island when he was like 2?

I don't know yet. All I can see are the differences of treatment between Teach and his father. I'm asking you again, think and look beyond what is being said in the dialogues adn go check who is Rocks looting at the beginning of chapter 1157

He definitely did even more than only apply the chaos part, BB has slaves, which is something that Rocks was fighting against.

Exactly. That's my point. Xebec was chaotic good or at the very least neutral, Blackbeard is chaotic evil.

 

[Sentinel]

I doubt DR Xebec is a lol diff opponent for God Tiers though.

Bro, Imu is the reason DR Xebec and HK Harald is a thing, lol.

He was humiliating the strongest pirates while chilling on his throne.
Sinking an island like GV isn't the peak OP will be capable of and you're gonna learn this lesson in either this arc or the upcoming next ones.

Also, which Naruto top tier can even sink an island the size of God Valley? They can just level some small mountains at best. Mihawk replicates Madara's PS feats very casually for example. So I don't see the point how it makes the OP verse much inferior if you exclude the god tiers.

He did a solo sky split, which Joyboy´s strongest Haki also did

Haki stored on a robe.

The mother flame isn´t really comparable here lol. OP has more advanced tech, the ancient weapons are their equivalent of like a nuke lol.

The planet certainly wasn't repeatedly wrecked by ancient weapons; the war itself destroyed continents and raised sea levels.

The possibility is also quite high Red Line is the World Serpent which makes it a planetary sized being. Again, no ancient weapon.

 

[FutureWarrior123]

all I´ll say is that it´s a normal arc theme that the royalty of the country wants to return to power after being outed by a pirate or something, so is that what happened here?

I feel like that’s just highlighting how the conflict between Imu and Xebec is hardly any different, because he’s reclaiming a position that his lineage had held before being overthrown by a literal devil. I know that in this case the scale of sovereignty is on a much bigger level, but we also don’t know what kind of ruler Davy Jones was. My personal opinion is that he wasn’t villainous at all, due to the general narrative structure and trends of previous arcs.

But you’re right, we need to know more. I doubt Joyboy will end up being that morally questionable but it would be a twist.

 

[soupongo]

Look at my profil picture please.

Nah, it´s ultimately a story for kids. Sure, there´s some ambiguity to some extent, but Rocks´s goal is pretty clear. He wants to rule the world, not make the world a better place. This isn´t like Vivi or whatever.

I don't know yet. All I can see are the differences of treatment between Teach and his father. I'm asking you again, think and look beyond what is being said in the dialogues adn go check who is Rocks looting at the beginning of chapter 1157

Nah, this doesn´t actually mean anything. Is he targetting the charity for being corrupt? No, that´s clearly just incidental. The character who points it out is literally Big Mom, who as we know goes on to rob islands of their candies, and brutally genocide them if they don´t pay up, ruling through force or the threat of force. She isn´t interested in stealing from them for being corrupt, she´s stealing from them for their shit, and them being corrupt is just a coincidence. Why would I assume Rocks´s goal is any different? Am I supposed to assume the pirate crew has never stole from anyone? Is he redistributing his money to poor people?

Exactly. That's my point. Xebec was chaotic good or at the very least neutral, Blackbeard is chaotic evil.

He´s chaotic neutral, but most villains in OP are chaotic neutral anyway, probably. So it doesn´t really mean much.

 

[soupongo]

Bro, Imu is the reason DR Xebec and HK Harald is a thing, lol.

He was humiliating the strongest pirates while chilling on his throne.
Sinking an island like GV isn't the peak OP will be capable of and you're gonna learn this lesson in either this arc or the upcoming next ones.

Yeah, but is ultimately just hax. Imu doesn´t have next level Haki or DC that we know of. His haki was felt all through Elbaf, which is again, island level.

Haki stored on a robe.


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Well yeah, but it was never pointed out as weaker, and there´s obvious symbolism in Joyboy having solo sky split haki as opposed to current top haki level power. There´s no reason to think Joyboy´s haki is like continental or anything, tho....

The planet certainly wasn't repeatedly wrecked by ancient weapons; the war itself destroyed continents and raised sea levels.

The possibility is also quite high Red Line is the World Serpent which makes it a planetary sized being. Again, no ancient weapon.

I mean... maybe? I´m not taking the lore stuff so seriously at the moment. We can get to that when we get to that.

 

[Dragon777]

The callback.

 

[Blax Blah]

Yo @Logiko @soupongo I want to say I hope you guys have a good day

 

[Blax Blah]

I doubt DR Xebec is a lol diff opponent for God Tiers though. He did a solo sky split, which Joyboy´s strongest Haki also did. The fact that it took him and 2 others to completely sink an island makes it clear the average top tier can´t actually do that

The mother flame isn´t really comparable here lol. OP has more advanced tech, the ancient weapons are their equivalent of like a nuke lol. The ten tails is just raw chakars

I think it makes sense, if Joyboy and Imu are not normal people but something like spirits

Joyboy has lots of Jesus parallels

I think Nika is the deity of the one piece verse, and Nika and Joyboy are the same person

 

[Logiko]

Nah, it´s ultimately a story for kids. Sure, there´s some ambiguity to some extent, but Rocks´s goal is pretty clear. He wants to rule the world, not make the world a better place. This isn´t like Vivi or whatever.

You see that's why this forum and ultimately a large part of the fanbase who reads the manga week to week is either dropping the manga, criticizing it every week or just letting their toxicity out.... while the rest of the fanbase, the younger, sharper and anime friendly is actually doing the complete opposite and praising the manga and anime (especially in the last few arc) for being such a masterpiece.


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Xebec doesn't want to make the world a paradise, he simply intended to destroy the corrupt institution and (probably) rule to make things right. Most probably, to fullfill the promisse of his family.

One Piece is MUCH deeper than even the most hardcore fan can realize.

Nah, this doesn´t actually mean anything. Is he targetting the charity for being corrupt? No, that´s clearly just incidental. The character who points it out is literally Big Mom, who as we know goes on to rob islands of their candies, and brutally genocide them if they don´t pay up, ruling through force or the threat of force. She isn´t interested in stealing from them for being corrupt, she´s stealing from them for their shit, and them being corrupt is just a coincidence. Why would I assume Rocks´s goal is any different? Am I supposed to assume the pirate crew has never stole from anyone? Is he redistributing his money to poor people?

I mean if you consider that oda purposefully highliter the Rocks pirates doing a looting specifically on a corrupt government institution for no reason, I don't know what to tell you.

Perhaps you overlook obvious details. Because no matter how you put it, this was an ethical plunder.

He´s chaotic neutral, but most villains in OP are chaotic neutral anyway, probably. So it doesn´t really mean much.

The problem is that Villains needs good guys in story to be villains. There are no good or bad guys in Loki's flashback. There are only pirates and the governments.

Rocks is not an antagonist, he is a protagonist. That's why he became so popular. He is the reason behind Loki's anger.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

I just want to point something out about Domi Reversi.

Remember when Brogy got his hand blown off by Imu's shotgun?

(Chapter 1150)

Well...if you look VERY closely, Brogy doesn't have a hand anymore, after getting un-Reversi'd. There's just a stump there, when we see him from above. Even though, he pretty quickly hides it behind his shield.

(Chapter 1176)

So, remember when Rocks first got Reversi'd?

(Chapter 1163)

He ALSO happened to get stabbed though the chest by Imu's "tentacles".

Imu seems to need to inflict damage in order to "infect" someone with Domi Reversi. And that damage doesn't "heal" after they get out of it.

It's not inconsistent writing. It's just VERY easy to miss.

So...Rocks likely was mortally wounded...by tentacles. It's how he would have wanted to go.

Mythical Zoan Kraken Blackbeard intensifies

Oh no Blackbeard, whatever you do, don't attack Zunesha and all the Minks with your sexy giant tentacles. Anything but that.

Zunesha vs Teach incoming, gotta get that Road Poneglyph.

Crazy ranting aside, really nice catch. Rocks didn't have magical Devil Fruit hax like Luffy or Loki. There's a chance he could have survived if he hadn't gotten attacked again, but he probably would have needed serious treatment, i'm guessing.

 

[Dragon777]

You see that's why this forum and ultimately a large part of the fanbase who reads the manga week to week is either dropping the manga, criticizing it every week or just letting their toxicity out.... while the rest of the fanbase, the younger, sharper and anime friendly is actually doing the complete opposite and praising the manga and anime (especially in the last few arc) for being such a masterpiece.

Easy: because the younger, sharper (LOL) audience doesn't care, doesn't remember and has half of the half of the capacity and intrest to actually analyse the manga. No wonder some loud casuals may think like that.

 

[ZenZu]

The callback.

Notice how Oda put more effort into considering the scale. Jimbei's vagabond drill looks infinitely more impressive on Fishman island because Wadatsumi's size was mostly given its due respect which in turn gave Jimbei's feat its due respect.

 

[Dragon777]

He´s chaotic neutral, but most villains in OP are chaotic neutral anyway, probably. So it doesn´t really mean much.

Rocks is a great villain, great character too, and tbh a very, very good surprise for me. What Roger should have been imho.

Though yes, he isn't good: he's a pirate and wants to rule the world.

 

[OykotsTreasure]

Where are the 2 giant puncture wounds on Xebec’s chest after DR? The tentacles were just hax and didn’t physically hurt him

I'll admit, that IS a *little* bit of a inconsistency. If it works the same way as with Brogy, we should have seen two holes in Rocks' chest during his fight with Garp and Roger, if this was the case.

My answer to that is...they're there, but they're just VERY small holes. Imu's tentacles are just VERY thin. Imu performed a surgical strike in that moment and cut some key organs in Rocks' chest. You don't need to have huge wounds in your chest for it to be potentially deadly. Especially if Imu nicked a artery. Plus, the wounds themselves don't even need to be big enough to actually kill Rocks. Just bad enough to incapacitate him, in order to lay him out on his back for a while, so Garling can deliver the finishing blow.

Between the puncture wounds being very small, and the partial "healing" of Reversi hiding things, I think there's wiggle room to make it work. We really should have seen the holes. But...maybe we can just pretend they're there in the cross-hatching? It might be something that's made clearer in the anime, one way or another.

 

[sanjikun]

Notice how Oda put more effort into considering the scale. Jimbei's vagabond drill looks infinitely more impressive on Fishman island because Wadatsumi's size was mostly given its due respect which in turn gave Jimbei's feat its due respect.

Jinbe here was trying to make him spit Zeus out though. Slightly different.

 

[Dragon777]

I'll admit, that IS a *little* bit of a inconsistency. If it works the same way as with Brogy, we should have seen two holes in Rocks' chest during his fight with Garp and Roger, if this was the case.

Also doesn't check with Xebec's/Oda's words: he made Xebec saying that those "punctures" didn't hurt at all ---> and the point should have been that those were two life threatening, mortal injuries? That is basically the opposite of what the dialogue is saying.

But I mean, plothole for incostitency, better this incostitency.

 

[M.O]

No sense Domi Reversi
or
Xebec still alive (only possible explanation)

 

[OykotsTreasure]

Also doesn't check with Xebec's/Oda's words: he made Xebec saying that those "punctures" didn't hurt at all ---> and the point should have been that those were two life threatening, mortal injuries? That is basically the opposite of what the dialogue is saying.

But I mean, plothole for incostitency, better this incostitency.

That part I'm less bothered by. A wound doesn't need to hurt to kill you. Sometimes these things sneak up on you. It's even a fairly common couple of tropes.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ICanStillFight
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MortalWoundReveal
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BelatedInjuryRealization

Rocks might have thought he was fine at the moment. But, once Imu's tentacles were out of his body and not plugging the holes, anymore, he might have started bleeding out. There's a reason why you're not supposed to remove a arrow in your body yourself. Sometimes the thing that wounded you in the first place is the only thing that's stopping you from bleeding out.
https://allthingsliberty.com/2013/05/battle-wounds-never-pull-an-arrow-out-of-a-body/

 

[Logiko]

Easy: because the younger, sharper (LOL) audience doesn't care, doesn't remember and has half of the half of the capacity and intrest to actually analyse the manga. No wonder some loud casuals may think like that.

No i'm explaining that what is happening is actually the opposite. The older fanbase (the one who reads the manga mostly) is lost in a vicious circle of over analysis of partial elements.

The young fanbase, the one who was able to read One Piece in a single setting up until now, especially women, are much more aware of the deepness of One Piece because they are seeing all the subtilities with a lot less spaces than the older one.

 

[Don Diego]

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