General & Others Saw something about Shamrock visiting the goose and it never being Shanks. There are a lot of L’s to be handed out for the rat slander if that’s true.

[Impact]

Awww little rat boi wants to not be called a rat but he's still a rat because that's what he is

Frauds are bad people and Shanks is a bad person for having rat-like characteristics stupid fraud

Dishonest person Shanks LOL

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

it does not make sense for it to be Shamrock .. the Goose said "we only allowed it since its you Red Hair". Why wouldn't they allow a GK to report to them?

 

[Impact]

Oda is a fraud too

He retconned Shanks being a rat but he originally is a rat so that's that that that this

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Could be Loki and Shamrock talking about inducting him into the holy knights or could be Luffy and him telling the gorosei about the Nika fruit.

He’s also wore a cloak when teleporting into Elbaf. He seems like he just wears cloaks

Wasn't he also trying to hide his presence in Elbaf, too?
I think I remember Gunko telling him to hide his aura or whatever.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Wasn't he also trying to hide his presence in Elbaf, too?
I think I remember Gunko telling him to hide his aura or whatever.

That was after Loki denied them. Prior to it they wanted attention so they could ask where Loki is.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

That was after Loki denied them. Prior to it they wanted attention so they could ask where Loki is.

Sure but I still don't think they really wanted people to know who they are and what they were doing. They only needed to ask a few people for his location.

 

[Dragon777]

The Same angle of shanks face shows the scar when he was talking to WB. That’s why people made the connection.

It's a nice detail, but we are talking about the final part of the scar that maybe we should have seen even though the angle is different.

Great for theories, but far from some clear proof.

And because gods knights should have zero care about politics.

But regular CDs do without any problems?
And then they send HKs to do regime-changes around the world?

Doesn't really check for me.

 

[Roo]

How does that make and sense

What would be better? Itachi as he is or a version of Itachi where he’s just a perfectly good guy who comes in to save the day?

 

[Impact]

I will draw a version of One Piece where Shanks is actually a Rat Fruit user and it will be popular than One Piece in MS paint and it will be better and I will be FAMOUS

I promise to use countless swear words

And the sky will be split by all your favorite characters

I will bring Eustass and Trafalgar D. Waterloo back so they can fight the rat and win and share Yonko title

 

[Levi]

Ppl don’t care about shanks character they care about if they can push the snitch agenda.

 

[soupongo]

And why even mention the fact about him and the politics lol?

Not to mention it was a clear callback to the "only because it's you" by Sengoku.

As a Tennrybuto, you work your way up to the Gorosei, which is a political role. The Gods Knights don´t actually make any decisions part of the world government, they aren´t even ¨formally¨ a part of it. We see it in the reverie, the Kings discuss abolishing the warlord system, and then the ¨higher ups¨ or the Gorosei approve of the vote they had, and the system is abolished. The CD´s technically don´t have a role, they´re just like the Gorosei´s corrupt family members/oligarchs.

Something being a callback doesn´t mean it´s the same context lol. Sengoku is probably talking about Shanks being a good faith actor, because Sengoku himself is (to some extent) a good faith actor who doesn´t want a horrible war to kill a bunch of navy men. The Gorosei don´t care about that.

Plus, Shanks informing the Gorosei about something doesn´t particularly make sense either. Especially if it´s about Blackbeard

 

[Roo]

And why even mention the fact about him and the politics lol?

Not to mention it was a clear callback to the "only because it's you" by Sengoku.

Tbh the Gorosei were shocked to see Garling in there as well. It looks like the God Knights are just not involved in politics at all.

plus I remember an SBS or maybe a interview where he hinted at that not being shanks. So credit where credit is due, looks like he was planning the twin fake for a while

 

[Impact]

Oda made this up and didn't research his own story he's just guessing

Don't trust that idiot, Shanks is a RAT

He does this all the time he retcons everything

 

[Dragon777]

The CD´s technically don´t have a role, they´re just like the Gorosei´s corrupt family members/oligarchs.

Not really.

We were explicitly told that even "basic" CD political support had a heavy influence in the Reverie.

Something being a callback doesn´t mean it´s the same context lol. Sengoku is probably talking about Shanks being a good faith actor, because Sengoku himself is (to some extent) a good faith actor who doesn´t want a horrible war to kill a bunch of navy men. The Gorosei don´t care about that.

No, it does mean it was connected though lol.

Shanks having a clear connection with the higher-ups of the WG perfectly explained the "because of you" line. Could have, at least.

Plus, Shanks informing the Gorosei about something doesn´t particularly make sense either. Especially if it´s about Blackbeard

Obviously it was all speculation, but since his whole life was about stopping BB, why not?

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Ppl don’t care about shanks character they care about if they can push the snitch agenda.

Tbh its simply a fun meme but trolling aside , it added to shanks's character and negotiating abilities. This makes shanks a mid garry stue in terms of character.

 

[Dragon777]

Tbh the Gorosei were shocked to see Garling in there as well. It looks like the God Knights are just not involved in politics at all.

plus I remember an SBS or maybe a interview where he hinted at that not being shanks. So credit where credit is due, looks like he was planning the twin fake for a while

Weren't they shocked about his attitude, though?
Because we have seen HK interacting even with Imu, and the Gorisei too without any problem.

I think Oda decided end of Wano, but it's just a hunch.

 

[soupongo]

Tbh the Gorosei were shocked to see Garling in there as well. It looks like the God Knights are just not involved in politics at all.

plus I remember an SBS or maybe a interview where he hinted at that not being shanks. So credit where credit is due, looks like he was planning the twin fake for a while

@TheAncientCenturion is probably right in saying that Oda left it originally ambiguous/open for either option. Saying it´s a straight up retcon and Shanks was originally planned to be 100 percent evil is a bit much, let´s be real lol.

I get that there´s issues with it being Shamrock, but are we going to pretend that Shanks being a government agent doesn´t come with a lot of issues at well? Ending the MF war etc. Plus, if Shanks was secretly in leagues with the government, there would be no reason for him to not be involved in politics as well lol?

 

[Roo]

Weren't they shocked about his attitude, though?
Because we have seen HK interacting even with Imu, and the Gorisei too without any problem.

I think Oda decided end of Wano, but it's just a hunch.

No, they were shocked he was there at all

 

[Sir Yasheen]

It's a nice detail, but we are talking about the final part of the scar that maybe we should have seen even though the angle is different.

Great for theories, but far from some clear proof.



But regular CDs do without any problems?
And then they send HKs to do regime-changes around the world?

Doesn't really check for me.

Regular CDs don’t either? No CD gives a shit about world politics except gorosei.

 

[soupongo]

Not really.

We were explicitly told that even "basic" CD political support had a heavy influence in the Reverie.

Well yeah, but I´m talking about a formality. On paper, the CD´s don´t really have any political power in and of themselves, at least to my understanding. Similar with how oligarchs irl aren´t actually supposed to have the political influence they do. Does the formality really matter? Ofc not, but the Gorosei need to at least play to it. Shamrock shouldn´t really be meeting with them during the reverie

No, it does mean it was connected though lol.

Shanks having a clear connection with the higher-ups of the WG perfectly explained the "because of you" line. Could have, at least.

Well Shanks and Shamrock are connected. But again, Shanks stopping the war the WG was conducting and allowing the enemy to escape would have come with numerous problems in and of itself. Shouldn´t the Gorosei have a problem with that?

Obviously it was all speculation, but since his whole life was about stopping BB, why not?

I mean, Shanks essentially stopped Blackbeard from being killed at MF by the admirals lol. After sobering up on power, he realizes that he isn´t ready to fight them yet

Plus, Blackbeard basically snitched on himself at MF, I don´t see why Shanks would be ¨snitching¨ on one of the most famous criminals in the world anyway. Isn´t the idea of snitching that you reveal someone who isn´t known to be a criminal to the authorities?

Shamrock trying to get the Gorosei to recruit Loki makes more sense, Imo. Loki is someone who is a bit less known than a Yonko, and hasn´t been active in years.