[FNZ] Super Role Madness Pokemon: I choose you!
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Thanks - could you give me a brief one-line reasoning on each? If you've already replied to Polar about this, ignore me, I'll find your reasoning during my catch up.
I think it's more to do with his less-than-stellar choice of night-action targets, to be honest.
That's fair - but my reasoning for thinking Flower/Hayumi are not paired is twofold. First of all, there is a particular tell that players sometimes make when they are not teamed with another player, and Flower has made this tell towards Hayumi. Granted, I'm not as confident on this as I am with Flower/Tepig being unpaired, but I only look at Flower/Hayumi as paired if the game is getting difficult and I have reason to believe I've miscleared scum somewhere. I know you have no reason to believe the new guy, who's shown up here with no proven track record of being right on these things and who won't even elaborate on what this 'tell' is, but I'm just putting my thought out there. Additionally, Hayumi/Flower interaction in their post 707 feels somewhat unpairing to me.
It's a shame that Alexis/Watson isn't around to speculate. Perhaps his algorithm could've told us whodunnit.
While I do accept that her just casually tossing you and I into the 'they can be scum' pile with no more critical thought than I give to which pair of underpants to don each morning, is not a particularly good play, I'm not sure it is actually AI for Naomi? She comes across as a player who over-reacts to minutiae that rubs her the wrong way as a person, and her play in this regard feels very much like Alexis'. Tell me truthfully: did you really feel threatened by Naomi calling you scum? And if you think that she is scum, did you honestly believe she would target you at night? I recall you specifically said for people not to target you at night because you are often wrong enough to be mis-lynchable. In the world where Naomi is scum, why doesn't she keep you around to be a mislynch instead of targeting you with something at night?
Thanks - could you give me a brief one-line reasoning on each? If you've already replied to Polar about this, ignore me, I'll find your reasoning during my catch up.
I think it's more to do with his less-than-stellar choice of night-action targets, to be honest.
That's fair - but my reasoning for thinking Flower/Hayumi are not paired is twofold. First of all, there is a particular tell that players sometimes make when they are not teamed with another player, and Flower has made this tell towards Hayumi. Granted, I'm not as confident on this as I am with Flower/Tepig being unpaired, but I only look at Flower/Hayumi as paired if the game is getting difficult and I have reason to believe I've miscleared scum somewhere. I know you have no reason to believe the new guy, who's shown up here with no proven track record of being right on these things and who won't even elaborate on what this 'tell' is, but I'm just putting my thought out there. Additionally, Hayumi/Flower interaction in their post 707 feels somewhat unpairing to me.
It's a shame that Alexis/Watson isn't around to speculate. Perhaps his algorithm could've told us whodunnit.
While I do accept that her just casually tossing you and I into the 'they can be scum' pile with no more critical thought than I give to which pair of underpants to don each morning, is not a particularly good play, I'm not sure it is actually AI for Naomi? She comes across as a player who over-reacts to minutiae that rubs her the wrong way as a person, and her play in this regard feels very much like Alexis'. Tell me truthfully: did you really feel threatened by Naomi calling you scum? And if you think that she is scum, did you honestly believe she would target you at night? I recall you specifically said for people not to target you at night because you are often wrong enough to be mis-lynchable. In the world where Naomi is scum, why doesn't she keep you around to be a mislynch instead of targeting you with something at night?
Just a thought, but could you perhaps look past my *style* and judge my *content*? Even if you judge it scummy, that's fine - I prefer people to take stances that they can be held accountable to, and I would not want my style to be a wall for anybody to hide behind.
As much as I love a bit of Sinatra, why are you replying to things in song lyrics now?
Okay ignore this, I just read your "get a read on someone reasoning".
I'm not voting Cryo, but I do think he made a very bad choice in visiting Pot Goblin. To make that choice as scum would mean that the scum team are paying zero attention, and none of his fellow scum helped guide his actions. So I do think that he is likely town from what he did and how he claimed it.
I have seen players of both alignments do that, so I don't attribute anything meaningful to it.
As much as I love a bit of Sinatra, why are you replying to things in song lyrics now?
Okay ignore this, I just read your "get a read on someone reasoning".
I'm not voting Cryo, but I do think he made a very bad choice in visiting Pot Goblin. To make that choice as scum would mean that the scum team are paying zero attention, and none of his fellow scum helped guide his actions. So I do think that he is likely town from what he did and how he claimed it.
I have seen players of both alignments do that, so I don't attribute anything meaningful to it.
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(I'll also look a little more into Bittersweet once I get home from work later)
This is indeed a post.
All I ever wanted was to travel to far-off exotic forums, meet new and exciting people, and then death-tunnel them in Mafia games.
Regarding the last two, have you tried interacting with them?
Not I. Her flailing makes me think she's town without any real clue about how to deal with things she doesn't like. I reconsider if the game gets hard.
This is a very diplomatic way of phrasing my own thought. I wish I'd thought of saying it like this, but I haven't had a coffee yet so my diplomacy score is 0 right now.
(I'll also look a little more into Bittersweet once I get home from work later)
This is indeed a post.
All I ever wanted was to travel to far-off exotic forums, meet new and exciting people, and then death-tunnel them in Mafia games.
Regarding the last two, have you tried interacting with them?
Not I. Her flailing makes me think she's town without any real clue about how to deal with things she doesn't like. I reconsider if the game gets hard.
This is a very diplomatic way of phrasing my own thought. I wish I'd thought of saying it like this, but I haven't had a coffee yet so my diplomacy score is 0 right now.
While I do not hate that you're poking at this and trying to deduce whether Cryo's claim is true, I do feel that scum-Cryo could've targeted somebody *much* less consensus town-read, such as low poster, and PR'd them instead. The effect (having another action to prove) would've been much the same but without the uproar from the player list at having forced a woman pushing 40 to "UwU" all her posts.
Do you believe that my reason for prodding you is that you prodded me? Was my prodding a reciprocal OMGUS-prod?
Do you believe that my reason for prodding you is that you prodded me? Was my prodding a reciprocal OMGUS-prod?
Did you actually scum-read AM when you voted for them? As in, you'd read their posts, concluded that they came from scum, and decided AM was probably the optimal vote for yesterday?
Neither have I. Perhaps we can read him together and share notes?
What's your take-away from Polar Bear/Orca ISO, given your expectations of their play?
Neither have I. Perhaps we can read him together and share notes?
What's your take-away from Polar Bear/Orca ISO, given your expectations of their play?
An interesting pick-up. I also pay attention to when players ping each other seemingly at random and question what their motives in doing so might be, so this is a +1 from me.
I feel that Shuijing is pointing out here that bittersweet is attempting to white-knight Naomi. I'll need to re-read the interaction again but I do recall thinking at the time that bittersweet's post was a very reasonable* stance to take at that point.
*reasonable does not always mean town. Reasonable takes are often easy for scum to make in order to appear pro-town.
I'm not sure on bittersweet yet, I'll need to read their ISO later, but I can at least see the train of thought that led Shui to this conclusion.
A very reasonable* stance to take. I would've preferred it if Shui offered up some thoughts on my reads at this point so that I'd have something to judge him by, but I think that the slight paranoia is warranted.
*reasonable in this instance is more likely +town because it pertains to a read of a specific player and not just generic "offing people early is bad" macro read. I hope that makes sense.
Now, this one could go either way for me. Town-Shui being worried that a wall-posting replacement may be pocketing his fellow towns... or scum-Shui worried that a wall-posting replacement is being widely town-read for an entry post.
I'll reserve judgment for now. I will point out, however, that I too thought Flowers' town-read of me came very easily based off a single post. Either that or the bar for scum-sub entry posts is extremely low here.
(on a veeery slightly positive note, does scum-Shui see me picking up suspicion and votes from Naomi and Alex, and just completely ignore me? Or does scum-Shui use that momentum to get more suspicion on me going. Not sure either way, and I think if I was to say 'no' I might be conf-biasing myself a little bit into *wanting* Shui to be town to reduce my PoE at this stage)
This questioning is consistent with Shui's expressed skepticism of "easy" town-reads. There is paranoia here that I don't think is feigned, and I believe this interaction shows Shui is unpaired with both Naomi and Juliet.
@Pot Goblin This is where I'm up to on Shuijing's ISO so far. I welcome your thoughts and any continuation you might be able to provide.
I have to go to work soon so I'll finish up when I return.
I feel that Shuijing is pointing out here that bittersweet is attempting to white-knight Naomi. I'll need to re-read the interaction again but I do recall thinking at the time that bittersweet's post was a very reasonable* stance to take at that point.
*reasonable does not always mean town. Reasonable takes are often easy for scum to make in order to appear pro-town.
I'm not sure on bittersweet yet, I'll need to read their ISO later, but I can at least see the train of thought that led Shui to this conclusion.
A very reasonable* stance to take. I would've preferred it if Shui offered up some thoughts on my reads at this point so that I'd have something to judge him by, but I think that the slight paranoia is warranted.
*reasonable in this instance is more likely +town because it pertains to a read of a specific player and not just generic "offing people early is bad" macro read. I hope that makes sense.
Now, this one could go either way for me. Town-Shui being worried that a wall-posting replacement may be pocketing his fellow towns... or scum-Shui worried that a wall-posting replacement is being widely town-read for an entry post.
I'll reserve judgment for now. I will point out, however, that I too thought Flowers' town-read of me came very easily based off a single post. Either that or the bar for scum-sub entry posts is extremely low here.
(on a veeery slightly positive note, does scum-Shui see me picking up suspicion and votes from Naomi and Alex, and just completely ignore me? Or does scum-Shui use that momentum to get more suspicion on me going. Not sure either way, and I think if I was to say 'no' I might be conf-biasing myself a little bit into *wanting* Shui to be town to reduce my PoE at this stage)
This questioning is consistent with Shui's expressed skepticism of "easy" town-reads. There is paranoia here that I don't think is feigned, and I believe this interaction shows Shui is unpaired with both Naomi and Juliet.
@Pot Goblin This is where I'm up to on Shuijing's ISO so far. I welcome your thoughts and any continuation you might be able to provide.
I have to go to work soon so I'll finish up when I return.
Here's Bittersweet's yesterday "contribution". Feels like he's barely able to provide reads? Says he'll help, gives this sloppy list and then asks someone to do his work for him.
The only thing that's explain him anyhow is "as scum he'd at least look m
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What is that? Are these your lim candidates or are you summarizing the sentiment of the town? Can you explain those, except apart from Shuijing, because you already talked about him.
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Bittersweet also had Charlie in his scumleans yesterday. RippedCal suspected Charlie, but isn't talking about him now.
I wonder what it is about people not explicitly clearing Charlie but not exactly sussing him or pressuring him much. Or even putting into PoE.
Some weird situation with him. I always think in such scenarios if it's an allegiance indicator. Charlie isn't the guy who'd you be really afraid to sus, because he doesn't seem too confrontational. So why isn't scumteam sussing him?
I also heard he's polarizing enough that he either gets caught easily as scum or gets totally cleared by d3. So why isn't town clearing him?
I'm surprised by lack of comments on him. He's the top poster that people don't have any stance on.
So I'd gladly hear your Charlie stances. I have him closer to town, but that's not very strong right now.
The only thing that's explain him anyhow is "as scum he'd at least look m
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What is that? Are these your lim candidates or are you summarizing the sentiment of the town? Can you explain those, except apart from Shuijing, because you already talked about him.
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Bittersweet also had Charlie in his scumleans yesterday. RippedCal suspected Charlie, but isn't talking about him now.
I wonder what it is about people not explicitly clearing Charlie but not exactly sussing him or pressuring him much. Or even putting into PoE.
Some weird situation with him. I always think in such scenarios if it's an allegiance indicator. Charlie isn't the guy who'd you be really afraid to sus, because he doesn't seem too confrontational. So why isn't scumteam sussing him?
I also heard he's polarizing enough that he either gets caught easily as scum or gets totally cleared by d3. So why isn't town clearing him?
I'm surprised by lack of comments on him. He's the top poster that people don't have any stance on.
So I'd gladly hear your Charlie stances. I have him closer to town, but that's not very strong right now.
Gingerbread, there is a term I've heard used before that I think best sums up those posts from bittersweet that you just quoted - IIOA (Information Instead of Analysis). I think this very much applies to those posts.
However, I'm conscious bittersweet does have some medical issues going on. I'll re-read their Day 1 ISO when I return home and offer my thoughts.
However, I'm conscious bittersweet does have some medical issues going on. I'll re-read their Day 1 ISO when I return home and offer my thoughts.
Alright guys, you convinced me now again that Cryo's usages are shitty and me defending them is a bit of WIFOM. But he seems pretty solvy and from bare thread I'd be clearing him. Before Ratchet went on him, he was giving nice reads. Is he a capable scum? I'm worried that it's a townie, who takes pressure badly and gets stressed under it and stops solving.
I tried to look at his previous scum games, but with threadmarks nuked, I don't even know what allegiance he was in these games.
I found some Pokémon game from half a year ago where from context I understood he was scum, but I understand it's multiball, so not really relevant (unless this one is also a multiball, but I understand Fuji usually warns somehow it is?).
I tried to look at his previous scum games, but with threadmarks nuked, I don't even know what allegiance he was in these games.
I found some Pokémon game from half a year ago where from context I understood he was scum, but I understand it's multiball, so not really relevant (unless this one is also a multiball, but I understand Fuji usually warns somehow it is?).
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