[FNZ] Super Role Madness Pokemon: I choose you!
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i think youre town @Crying bc no Cryo
you do you my friend
you do you my friend
I could see this list be anywhere between 1 and 4 scum.
0 technically, but I don't want to be rude.
Naomi was towny. (LM has not posted yet)
I don't think Charlie softs mech on me in this thread state as scum (that is me knowing I am town ofc)
I believe pg believes his claim.
PB and Yoho can go either way.
PB is gth town, but he could be pocketing me by playing to my tune.
Good luck with whatever you are doing here.
Why do you have none of
Rej
Marimo
Ratchet
Orca
in your list?
Those four slots are vastly different, but I am curious what each of them has done to make you feel warm and fuzzy inside.
0 technically, but I don't want to be rude.
Naomi was towny. (LM has not posted yet)
I don't think Charlie softs mech on me in this thread state as scum (that is me knowing I am town ofc)
I believe pg believes his claim.
PB and Yoho can go either way.
PB is gth town, but he could be pocketing me by playing to my tune.
Good luck with whatever you are doing here.
Why do you have none of
Rej
Marimo
Ratchet
Orca
in your list?
Those four slots are vastly different, but I am curious what each of them has done to make you feel warm and fuzzy inside.
go tepig!
I agree that tepig is correct that everybody ignoring marimo while every other lhf slot gets traction is a bad look.
I know that is not your reason for the townread because otherwise you would have Marimo as wolf
So why is piggy that high?
Is there anything specific that made you put Hime in town?
She has been fine while around, and I like that she got sucked into the game more than she intended too.
But you must have something tanginble if you have her higher than ginger or hayumi.
Why hayumi because hayumi as wolf does not call out reloaded for being in his scum meta d1 like that.
and you have reloaded as wolf (not just poe)
I agree that tepig is correct that everybody ignoring marimo while every other lhf slot gets traction is a bad look.
I know that is not your reason for the townread because otherwise you would have Marimo as wolf
So why is piggy that high?
Is there anything specific that made you put Hime in town?
She has been fine while around, and I like that she got sucked into the game more than she intended too.
But you must have something tanginble if you have her higher than ginger or hayumi.
Why hayumi because hayumi as wolf does not call out reloaded for being in his scum meta d1 like that.
and you have reloaded as wolf (not just poe)
I think your timing is terrible because it comes after gingerbread unvotes and seriously reconsiders Juliet, and it looks like she won't be a wagon today. A fourth vote in support of her lynch would've been much more useful when there were three of us still voting her.
Shuijing? I made two posts analysing his ISO. You can find links to those posts just a very short way up the thread, where I replied to Polar Bear and also pinged Pot Goblin for his thoughts. We can talk about Rej after you've read my thoughts on Shuijng and we've discussed how those posts make you feel about that player.
Who do you think would be the 'best' target for a lynch today?
Shuijing? I made two posts analysing his ISO. You can find links to those posts just a very short way up the thread, where I replied to Polar Bear and also pinged Pot Goblin for his thoughts. We can talk about Rej after you've read my thoughts on Shuijng and we've discussed how those posts make you feel about that player.
Who do you think would be the 'best' target for a lynch today?
Before I start doing some of the things that I said I would do yesterday, I wanted to put out my thoughts on the players in this game so far. You can consider this a 'read list' if you like (un-tiered), though it's mostly a way for me to structure my thoughts and try to give at least a sentence or two on how I feel about each player. I know the tendency might be to just skim the list for 'accuracy' while looking for your own name, but I'd like this to be read because in here I also suggest one or two night action targets for specific powers that I feel might benefit town. Of course, everybody is free to ignore my suggestions; I've already stated that I'm not entirely savvy with role madness, and I'm sure nobody wants their actions dictated to them.
My Towns
gingerbread - I sheeped his votes yesterday because while I was in catch-up mode I was concerned about missing out on key information, and I found his posts to be pretty solvy. I'm doubling down on this read today. If you need to know why, take a look at his post 4185, in which he reconsiders his stance on Juliet in light of information given by Ratchet and Jan. That is a *very* towny mindset to solve from. Ginger has been evaluating critically for a large portion of the game, and doing so in a way that does not make him any friends. He's also not afraid to re-evaluate his own reads in a way that is fluid and natural.
Crying bc no Cryo - Regardless of what you think of his choice of night-action targets, his response to the dogpile on him was one of overwhelmed town. As scum, his actions and targets would've been agreed upon by the whole team. They would've accepted that there are certain risks inherent in performing actions on outted powers, and agreed that upon balance, the risk of cutting Pot Goblin's ability to town-clear himself would be worth it. In this world, Cryo has fulfilled his main purpose. His actual response is of a man weighed down with guilt that he's let his side down multiple times, and that side is town. I would like @Crying bc no Cryo to holster his action tonight. I feel that nothing good can come of him visiting anyone. And if we have a town Tracker, it might be a good idea to target him with your action. That way we can be sure that he holsters, and if there are one or more kills, it would at least clear him from those.
Lord Melkor - Inherited the town-read I had on Naomi. As I've mentioned in other posts, her reactionary responses to things she doesn't like strike me as very town-minded. She was blatantly misreading things and misunderstanding posts in a way that I feel came from a place of a self-righteous town determined to prove themselves correct (ironically, to the detriment of town, I believe) and her sense of towny entitlement was very real. This player slot is my "consider in LYLO" slot.
Probably Town
Flower - Was higher in my estimation yesterday. But she hands out town-reads like candy, and attempts to shield anybody she hands out candy to from interrogation or pressure, so I am less inclined to trust her judgement. The way in which she tries to shut down pressure or interrogation on her town-reads denies others the chance to pressure slots that need pressure, and also denies the rest of town the chance to gauge the motives of those offering said pressure. I wish she'd stop doing it. If we have a motion detector, it might be a good idea to be on Flower tonight, to see whether anybody interferes with whatever Watching she's able to do at this stage.
Ratchet - I'm going to stick with this, because I mind-melded with a couple of his Day 1 posts, and he's made a couple of micro-reads that I think are difficult (though admittedly, not impossible) to produce from a scum mindset. One example of this is his post saying he feels Jan is playing 'positionally'. If he was scum wanting to shade town-Jan, then that's an awfully specific way of doing so, and there would probably me much simpler meta-reasons for just applying a scum-read there. The only thing I don't like about him is that his focus right now appears to be on the less active players. I get the feeling from reading a couple of posts that popped up while I was alseep, that this kind of play isn't exactly outside the norm for this site, and I don't think this focus on the lower part of the postcount list is something specific to Ratchet alone.
Polar Bear - He isn't as strong in my 'probably town' reads as some of the other players listed here, but I do think it was a pro-town move to reveal it was his post-trap ability that deprived Flower of one of her Watcher uses. Without that knowledge I think town would be more inclined to eat itself trying to figure out whodunnit, so actually claiming it gives us information that we otherwise wouldn't have had - always valuable in a game of social deduction.
York - My Day 1 'tone' read. I like the fact that she came into Day 2 asking why nobody was pushing her. This is a read that may drop down later, depending on how she approaches the rest of the Day phase.
Shuijing - I've already provided thoughts on Shuijing's ISO. I can see numerous little things which over the length of the ISO add up towards a town read. If you'd like to read those thoughts, I've linked to them in a recent post of mine, and they are easily findable in my post history.
RippedCal - There were several posts made by Cal that I felt a "wtf?" moment of towniness from him. It's clear from some of his posts that when he's interacting with players live, there are certain key facts that he's missing (such as not knowing that Polar 'claimed' the destruction on Flowers' Watching ability), but these moments do not feel as if they are faked.
Hayumi - This is my probably town that I'm most conflicted about. I didn't like their Day 1 posts, because some of them gave me the feeling that they were unnatural/forced. But their Day 2 has been a huge improvement - I can follow their thoughts, understand their pushes and even agree with some of their takes. It could just be a higher level of investment now that we have at least some 'mechanical' information to work with... I don't know. But for now I'll put them as probably town and will continually re-evaluate.
Yet to Sort
JustJuice/hime - I'm conflicted on this spot. Juice's sole contribution was to hop into the thread, claim they were voting the most suspicious player in the game so far, and drop a vote on Michelle. At this stage in the game, Michelle had been gone for some time, and I had replaced her. So I am torn between thinking that was a "fake" ignorance moment designed to allow him to slide in to pressuring me at the time when many people were paranoid of me, or a good look because he was going against a fairly consensus read. I've skimmed a some of hime's posts and found them generally okay, but I will give them a proper read-over when I have the time. I don't have too many concerns here at this moment.
Yoho - Isn't really giving me a way to read him. I will try for some interaction when I can, but honestly, this is a large player list for me, and trying to get meaningful discourse going with multiple people is not easy.
Charlie - I don't have any concerns about Charlie right now. I had a moment of panic when he revealed he knew that Goblin's 'clearing' ability was three-shot, but then he explained that it had to be three-shot because Goblin used one, Cryo destroyed one, and Goblin said he had one left. That makes sense, but I have a mental note to check the timing of this knowledge compared to when Goblin said he used one of his shots on gingerbread. I will do that soon. All in all I could probably move Charlie up to probably town, and I'll consider that shortly.
Marimo_420 - Unfortunately exists in this game when he never originally intended to.
Pot Goblin - Hasn't self-resolved yet. Many of the posts he's made do not stand out to me. This player may move down into my PoE very soon.
Handium/Luka - On Day 1, Handium seemed to be struggling in a way that I could see as coming from scum unsure of how to get started in the game. I fielded my concerns, perhaps foolishly, on the recommendation of our resident candy-store owner. But since I did that, a new player had come into the slot, so I'll try reading them afresh. As with hime, I've skimmed some of Luka's posts, but I'm going to need time to go through them more closely. I think Luka has a very 'conversational' style that is not always easy for me to parse, so I'll need more time for this player than I probably have today.
Mr. Reloaded - I regret that we lynched Alwaysmind over him. His posts today have been underwhelming. Another player who might move down into my PoE before this day closes. I'll give him a re-read as soon as I can.
The Orca - Exists, and I know I've interacted with him, but those interactions don't stick out in my mind. I need to do more with this player and fast, because I can see scum potential here.
tepig19283 - I like a little of his sass, but in terms of content, there isn't very much for me to work with. He falls into the same 'category' as Yoho, in that if he's town, he's not helping me to find him. And I echo the sentiment that ginger made on Day 1, that if these players are town, by their low activity they are making it permissible for scum to hide amongst them. But I can't force somebody to make more posts or solve in a way that doesn't feel natural to them, so this may be one of those slots that I hope either resolves itself or dies to a vig if it's scum.
My PoE
bittersweet - You can read my thoughts in my analysis of his ISO. There is a lot of fluff-posting, along with 'IIOA'. He doesn't really do anything to advance his reads or push the game state forward. Unfortunately, this is an issue that many of my yet to sort reads also share. The main difference is that I feel like bittersweet is actually making an effort to make it appear like they're making an effort (keeping up appearances, I guess you can say) whilst players like Yoho and tepig aren't trying to appear like they're trying to blend in.
Jan - As I've pointed out before, my concerns with Jan echo some of those made by Ratchet - that Jan is playing 'positionally', and I gave an example of this in how he questions my town-reads on Ratchet and York, presenting them as if I have TMI of those players. He always says that he will re-evaluate Juliet after she picks up some heat, but I don't get the feeling that the re-evaluation was genuine, and a large portion of it relies on meta knowledge, which is only accurate until it isn't.
Juliet - I've stated my concerns here plenty of times. To add to that, at start of day 2 when I saw Naomi active in the thread and tried to get some discussion going with her to better help us find each other, the immediate dogpile onto my by Juliet and Jan came across as opportunistic, and I feel only contributed to feeding into Naomi's dislike of me. I cannot imagine why a town player would want to shut down a genuine attempt at discourse like that (unless they're Flower, I suppose). Finally, I asked Juliet to consider the worlds in which I/ginger/Polar are scum, or where none of us are scum, and try to identify where the scum might be TMI'ing her town or dancing around her slot, and although I don't believe in "activity tells", the resounding silence from her after I pinged her with that question does not leave me feeling positive about her alignment.
Rej - The biggest concern I have with Rej is that he/she felt extremely performative on Day 1. I've already talked about how Cal's lack of information about certain things felt quite natural, but Rej on several occasions presented themselves in the thread with "Oh, where is suchabody" or "Why is suchathing happening". A prime exampe of this being "Where is our town-leader Alex?" not long after Watson's sub into that role. The appearance of being uninformed feels completely fake here, so I would have zero qualms with lynching.
I hope that expresses at least some of my basic thoughts on the playerlist, as far as I'm able to give them. Yesterday I sheeped gingerbread because I was in catch-up mode, but that is not the case today. I will join any wagon within my PoE. Some of my 'null' I would consider, but others I will not. And definitely not while anyone from my PoE is on the table.
My Towns
gingerbread - I sheeped his votes yesterday because while I was in catch-up mode I was concerned about missing out on key information, and I found his posts to be pretty solvy. I'm doubling down on this read today. If you need to know why, take a look at his post 4185, in which he reconsiders his stance on Juliet in light of information given by Ratchet and Jan. That is a *very* towny mindset to solve from. Ginger has been evaluating critically for a large portion of the game, and doing so in a way that does not make him any friends. He's also not afraid to re-evaluate his own reads in a way that is fluid and natural.
Crying bc no Cryo - Regardless of what you think of his choice of night-action targets, his response to the dogpile on him was one of overwhelmed town. As scum, his actions and targets would've been agreed upon by the whole team. They would've accepted that there are certain risks inherent in performing actions on outted powers, and agreed that upon balance, the risk of cutting Pot Goblin's ability to town-clear himself would be worth it. In this world, Cryo has fulfilled his main purpose. His actual response is of a man weighed down with guilt that he's let his side down multiple times, and that side is town. I would like @Crying bc no Cryo to holster his action tonight. I feel that nothing good can come of him visiting anyone. And if we have a town Tracker, it might be a good idea to target him with your action. That way we can be sure that he holsters, and if there are one or more kills, it would at least clear him from those.
Lord Melkor - Inherited the town-read I had on Naomi. As I've mentioned in other posts, her reactionary responses to things she doesn't like strike me as very town-minded. She was blatantly misreading things and misunderstanding posts in a way that I feel came from a place of a self-righteous town determined to prove themselves correct (ironically, to the detriment of town, I believe) and her sense of towny entitlement was very real. This player slot is my "consider in LYLO" slot.
Probably Town
Flower - Was higher in my estimation yesterday. But she hands out town-reads like candy, and attempts to shield anybody she hands out candy to from interrogation or pressure, so I am less inclined to trust her judgement. The way in which she tries to shut down pressure or interrogation on her town-reads denies others the chance to pressure slots that need pressure, and also denies the rest of town the chance to gauge the motives of those offering said pressure. I wish she'd stop doing it. If we have a motion detector, it might be a good idea to be on Flower tonight, to see whether anybody interferes with whatever Watching she's able to do at this stage.
Ratchet - I'm going to stick with this, because I mind-melded with a couple of his Day 1 posts, and he's made a couple of micro-reads that I think are difficult (though admittedly, not impossible) to produce from a scum mindset. One example of this is his post saying he feels Jan is playing 'positionally'. If he was scum wanting to shade town-Jan, then that's an awfully specific way of doing so, and there would probably me much simpler meta-reasons for just applying a scum-read there. The only thing I don't like about him is that his focus right now appears to be on the less active players. I get the feeling from reading a couple of posts that popped up while I was alseep, that this kind of play isn't exactly outside the norm for this site, and I don't think this focus on the lower part of the postcount list is something specific to Ratchet alone.
Polar Bear - He isn't as strong in my 'probably town' reads as some of the other players listed here, but I do think it was a pro-town move to reveal it was his post-trap ability that deprived Flower of one of her Watcher uses. Without that knowledge I think town would be more inclined to eat itself trying to figure out whodunnit, so actually claiming it gives us information that we otherwise wouldn't have had - always valuable in a game of social deduction.
York - My Day 1 'tone' read. I like the fact that she came into Day 2 asking why nobody was pushing her. This is a read that may drop down later, depending on how she approaches the rest of the Day phase.
Shuijing - I've already provided thoughts on Shuijing's ISO. I can see numerous little things which over the length of the ISO add up towards a town read. If you'd like to read those thoughts, I've linked to them in a recent post of mine, and they are easily findable in my post history.
RippedCal - There were several posts made by Cal that I felt a "wtf?" moment of towniness from him. It's clear from some of his posts that when he's interacting with players live, there are certain key facts that he's missing (such as not knowing that Polar 'claimed' the destruction on Flowers' Watching ability), but these moments do not feel as if they are faked.
Hayumi - This is my probably town that I'm most conflicted about. I didn't like their Day 1 posts, because some of them gave me the feeling that they were unnatural/forced. But their Day 2 has been a huge improvement - I can follow their thoughts, understand their pushes and even agree with some of their takes. It could just be a higher level of investment now that we have at least some 'mechanical' information to work with... I don't know. But for now I'll put them as probably town and will continually re-evaluate.
Yet to Sort
JustJuice/hime - I'm conflicted on this spot. Juice's sole contribution was to hop into the thread, claim they were voting the most suspicious player in the game so far, and drop a vote on Michelle. At this stage in the game, Michelle had been gone for some time, and I had replaced her. So I am torn between thinking that was a "fake" ignorance moment designed to allow him to slide in to pressuring me at the time when many people were paranoid of me, or a good look because he was going against a fairly consensus read. I've skimmed a some of hime's posts and found them generally okay, but I will give them a proper read-over when I have the time. I don't have too many concerns here at this moment.
Yoho - Isn't really giving me a way to read him. I will try for some interaction when I can, but honestly, this is a large player list for me, and trying to get meaningful discourse going with multiple people is not easy.
Charlie - I don't have any concerns about Charlie right now. I had a moment of panic when he revealed he knew that Goblin's 'clearing' ability was three-shot, but then he explained that it had to be three-shot because Goblin used one, Cryo destroyed one, and Goblin said he had one left. That makes sense, but I have a mental note to check the timing of this knowledge compared to when Goblin said he used one of his shots on gingerbread. I will do that soon. All in all I could probably move Charlie up to probably town, and I'll consider that shortly.
Marimo_420 - Unfortunately exists in this game when he never originally intended to.
Pot Goblin - Hasn't self-resolved yet. Many of the posts he's made do not stand out to me. This player may move down into my PoE very soon.
Handium/Luka - On Day 1, Handium seemed to be struggling in a way that I could see as coming from scum unsure of how to get started in the game. I fielded my concerns, perhaps foolishly, on the recommendation of our resident candy-store owner. But since I did that, a new player had come into the slot, so I'll try reading them afresh. As with hime, I've skimmed some of Luka's posts, but I'm going to need time to go through them more closely. I think Luka has a very 'conversational' style that is not always easy for me to parse, so I'll need more time for this player than I probably have today.
Mr. Reloaded - I regret that we lynched Alwaysmind over him. His posts today have been underwhelming. Another player who might move down into my PoE before this day closes. I'll give him a re-read as soon as I can.
The Orca - Exists, and I know I've interacted with him, but those interactions don't stick out in my mind. I need to do more with this player and fast, because I can see scum potential here.
tepig19283 - I like a little of his sass, but in terms of content, there isn't very much for me to work with. He falls into the same 'category' as Yoho, in that if he's town, he's not helping me to find him. And I echo the sentiment that ginger made on Day 1, that if these players are town, by their low activity they are making it permissible for scum to hide amongst them. But I can't force somebody to make more posts or solve in a way that doesn't feel natural to them, so this may be one of those slots that I hope either resolves itself or dies to a vig if it's scum.
My PoE
bittersweet - You can read my thoughts in my analysis of his ISO. There is a lot of fluff-posting, along with 'IIOA'. He doesn't really do anything to advance his reads or push the game state forward. Unfortunately, this is an issue that many of my yet to sort reads also share. The main difference is that I feel like bittersweet is actually making an effort to make it appear like they're making an effort (keeping up appearances, I guess you can say) whilst players like Yoho and tepig aren't trying to appear like they're trying to blend in.
Jan - As I've pointed out before, my concerns with Jan echo some of those made by Ratchet - that Jan is playing 'positionally', and I gave an example of this in how he questions my town-reads on Ratchet and York, presenting them as if I have TMI of those players. He always says that he will re-evaluate Juliet after she picks up some heat, but I don't get the feeling that the re-evaluation was genuine, and a large portion of it relies on meta knowledge, which is only accurate until it isn't.
Juliet - I've stated my concerns here plenty of times. To add to that, at start of day 2 when I saw Naomi active in the thread and tried to get some discussion going with her to better help us find each other, the immediate dogpile onto my by Juliet and Jan came across as opportunistic, and I feel only contributed to feeding into Naomi's dislike of me. I cannot imagine why a town player would want to shut down a genuine attempt at discourse like that (unless they're Flower, I suppose). Finally, I asked Juliet to consider the worlds in which I/ginger/Polar are scum, or where none of us are scum, and try to identify where the scum might be TMI'ing her town or dancing around her slot, and although I don't believe in "activity tells", the resounding silence from her after I pinged her with that question does not leave me feeling positive about her alignment.
Rej - The biggest concern I have with Rej is that he/she felt extremely performative on Day 1. I've already talked about how Cal's lack of information about certain things felt quite natural, but Rej on several occasions presented themselves in the thread with "Oh, where is suchabody" or "Why is suchathing happening". A prime exampe of this being "Where is our town-leader Alex?" not long after Watson's sub into that role. The appearance of being uninformed feels completely fake here, so I would have zero qualms with lynching.
I hope that expresses at least some of my basic thoughts on the playerlist, as far as I'm able to give them. Yesterday I sheeped gingerbread because I was in catch-up mode, but that is not the case today. I will join any wagon within my PoE. Some of my 'null' I would consider, but others I will not. And definitely not while anyone from my PoE is on the table.
Good morning gingerbread. Yes, you're correct - I fell asleep watching Pokemon Horizons somewhere around midnight, was woken around 2am by my dog wanting to go out for a toilet break, and was once more rudely awakened at 6.30 by high winds rattling my garden fence outside my bedroom window. So it hasn't been a particularly restful night for me, admittedly.
I hope you faired better than I did (though I suspect not).
I hope you faired better than I did (though I suspect not).
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