Powers & Abilities Debunking Literally Every Argument Against Ryokugyu’s Black Blade UPDATE: Remembering The Fallen

[Elder Lee Hung]

@ZenZu hey remember what I said about being able to argue in good faith?

Spoiler

Watch what this guy says next lmao

Sengoku and Garp double teamed Shiki despite being equal to him, what’s your point?

It is literally an established fact that fruitless Aokiji is prime Garp level. Lol

It's worse when we have an admiral struggling against a YC

An Admiral not beating a YC is worse than Mihawk not beating a YC? Did you just admit Admirals > Mihawk? Lol

 

[MonochromeYoru]

• King and Queen
• Fujitora
• Morley
• Momo and his friends

only fuji was strong enough to fight him. and that wasn't even a fight. That was a small clash that was off screened

Anyway, these clowns are arguing with the voices in their heads.

Oda’s rule with swordsmen is that he always depicts their swordsmanship in the fights they have:

• Hacchi showed his swordsmanship
• Ryuma showed his swordsmanship
• Fujitora showed his swordsmanship
• Roger showed his swordsmanship
• Oden showed his swordsmanship
• Rayleigh showed his swordsmanship
• King showed his swordsmanship

Etc.

Any swordsman has always shown his swordsmanship in the clashes or fights he participates in, which Oda uses to hype them.

Now you have Admiral GB with a Kokuto, and he has already been in fights against:

• King and Queen
• Fujitora
• Morley
• Momo and his friends

Yet not a single instance of swordsmanship skills. These mfs believe in something that doesn’t exist, even though they know for a fact that Oda always prioritizes narrative above everything else. This is shown by the fact that he makes retcons to solidify his narrative, not once or twice.

Now let’s answer these questions:

• If GB forged a black blade, what would even be its purpose in the grand scheme of the story?

When I read most of the admirals fans’s answers, I noticed they don’t even believe he is a Zoro opponent. So how the hell do you think someone who isn’t even meant to fight Zoro would have forged a black blade?

In other words, there isn’t even a narrative reason to support GB forging one or to make it relevant to the plot.

I can compare Black Blades to VOAT, to be specific.

Not just any random character would be given VOAT if they aren’t related to Luffy or meant to help him in the future. Can you imagine Lucci or Kaku having VOAT? How would them having it help Luffy in any way?

It doesn’t make sense overall, because there is no narrative that would support it.

This is the same case with GB forging a black blade. There’s no narrative that supports it except the cope, imagination, and the assumption that Oda would hand out a free power-up that isn’t connected to the main plot.

Even Aokiji being shown as a brawler had a narrative explanation. He accompanied Garp for a long time, as shown many times, and it was further solidified through Koby, who is also Garp’s disciple. Oda was clearly comparing the old disciple with the new one, showing that Koby will surpass both through his hard training in the future.

• “GB didn’t forge the black blade, he just has one.”

The same issue applies here: there is still no narrative reason for that either.

Oda has kept the details about kokuto super secret so far

why would he show off gb swordsmanship and his kokuto when he's clearly meant to fight zoro in the future?

• Hacchi showed his swordsmanship
• Ryuma showed his swordsmanship
• Fujitora showed his swordsmanship
• Roger showed his swordsmanship
• Oden showed his swordsmanship
• Rayleigh showed his swordsmanship
• King showed his swordsmanship

Hacchi did not use his sword immediately. He was the damn water taxi at first.
Ryuma in monsters did not show off his swordsmanship until the dragon. or the bronze statue cut. neither were immediate.
Fuji showed off his df lol.
dodger was shown for like 960 chapters before we saw his swordsmanship.
lolden wasn't immediately shown off with his swordsmanship either.
Neither were Ray or King.



GB is gonna be an opponent for zoro. none of the clowns you mentioned were. It makes perfect sense for oda to hide GB's strength.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Anyway, these clowns are arguing with the voices in their heads.

Oda’s rule with swordsmen is that he always depicts their swordsmanship in the fights they have:

• Hacchi showed his swordsmanship
• Ryuma showed his swordsmanship
• Fujitora showed his swordsmanship
• Roger showed his swordsmanship
• Oden showed his swordsmanship
• Rayleigh showed his swordsmanship
• King showed his swordsmanship

Etc.

Any swordsman has always shown his swordsmanship in the clashes or fights he participates in, which Oda uses to hype them.

Now you have Admiral GB with a Kokuto, and he has already been in fights against:

• King and Queen
• Fujitora
• Morley
• Momo and his friends

Yet not a single instance of swordsmanship skills. These mfs believe in something that doesn’t exist, even though they know for a fact that Oda always prioritizes narrative above everything else. This is shown by the fact that he makes retcons to solidify his narrative, not once or twice.

Now let’s answer these questions:

• If GB forged a black blade, what would even be its purpose in the grand scheme of the story?

When I read most of the admirals fans’s answers, I noticed they don’t even believe he is a Zoro opponent. So how the hell do you think someone who isn’t even meant to fight Zoro would have forged a black blade?

In other words, there isn’t even a narrative reason to support GB forging one or to make it relevant to the plot.

I can compare Black Blades to VOAT, to be specific.

Not just any random character would be given VOAT if they aren’t related to Luffy or meant to help him in the future. Can you imagine Lucci or Kaku having VOAT? How would them having it help Luffy in any way?

It doesn’t make sense overall, because there is no narrative that would support it.

This is the same case with GB forging a black blade. There’s no narrative that supports it except the cope, imagination, and the assumption that Oda would hand out a free power-up that isn’t connected to the main plot.

Even Aokiji being shown as a brawler had a narrative explanation. He accompanied Garp for a long time, as shown many times, and it was further solidified through Koby, who is also Garp’s disciple. Oda was clearly comparing the old disciple with the new one, showing that Koby will surpass both through his hard training in the future.

• “GB didn’t forge the black blade, he just has one.”

The same issue applies here: there is still no narrative reason for that either.

Thank god these fucking idiots have nothing to do with the writing of this manga lmfao.

Why did Oda give Roger a supreme blade if he was never going to fight Zoro? Why did Oda give Whitebeard a supreme blade if he was never going to fight Zoro?

Imagine being this far into the manga and still being fucking stupid enough to believe this manga is about Zoro LMFAO

Oda doesn’t give a shit about Zoro and he doesn’t give a shit about you

 

[soupongo]

This argument isn´t worth having unless the following can be accepted as a common ground:
Oda has characters reveal new abilities all the time, not only Kuzan but also Doffy, and even Luffy at the start of the timeskip. People believe characters like Blackbeard(multiple personalities sealed inside of him, DF awakening, advanced Haki), Shanks(A DF in his sword) Mihawk(advanced Haki),Sakazuki(Advanced haki and Awakening) when none of them have showed it in the actual manga, despite having significantly more screentime than Aramaki

Aramaki has had very very little screentime at this point, the equivalent of what Kuzan got in W7 and Kizaru had at Sabody. We can act like reverie was his version of MF, but that shit was like 5 pages and a sideshow anyway. We don´t even really know what happened with Aramaki and Fujitora even, and Oda offscreened Aramaki vs Weevil. We basically know nothing about the man, beyond his respect for Sakazuki, and belief that the CD´s maintain order by discrimination.

Aramaki hasn´t gone all out at in any point on screen, he said he was finally going out right before Shanks arrived in Wano, and in Reverie, his goal was to find the RA leader, not stop Morley

He has had a legitimate interest in restraining his opponents in both Wano, and at Reverie. You can say it´s dumb or whatever, but his goal in Wano was tracking down Luffy, and his goal at reverie was finding Sabo.

Oda hasn´t ever said that Mihawk was the only black blade user alive, leaving the possibility for others. I doubt Oda will spam it, but thats how these special powerups are treated in Shonen. Yamato literally has the same powers as Joyboy(awakened mythical zoan, and ACOC)

 

[Shiroyru]

This argument isn´t worth having unless the following can be accepted as a common ground:
Oda has characters reveal new abilities all the time, not only Kuzan but also Doffy, and even Luffy at the start of the timeskip. People believe characters like Blackbeard(multiple personalities sealed inside of him, DF awakening, advanced Haki), Shanks(A DF in his sword) Mihawk(advanced Haki),Sakazuki(Advanced haki and Awakening) when none of them have showed it in the actual manga, despite having significantly more screentime than Aramaki

Aramaki has had very very little screentime at this point, the equivalent of what Kuzan got in W7 and Kizaru had at Sabody. We can act like reverie was his version of MF, but that shit was like 5 pages and a sideshow anyway. We don´t even really know what happened with Aramaki and Fujitora even, and Oda offscreened Aramaki vs Weevil. We basically know nothing about the man, beyond his respect for Sakazuki, and belief that the CD´s maintain order by discrimination.

Aramaki hasn´t gone all out at in any point on screen, he said he was finally going out right before Shanks arrived in Wano, and in Reverie, his goal was to find the RA leader, not stop Morley

He has had a legitimate interest in restraining his opponents in both Wano, and at Reverie. You can say it´s dumb or whatever, but his goal in Wano was tracking down Luffy, and his goal at reverie was finding Sabo.

Oda hasn´t ever said that Mihawk was the only black blade user alive, leaving the possibility for others. I doubt Oda will spam it, but thats how these special powerups are treated in Shonen. Yamato literally has the same powers as Joyboy(awakened mythical zoan, and ACOC)

Doesn’t the fact that he transformed back into his giant broccoli form right before declaring that he will finally go all out kinda prove that his sword isn’t a core part of his fighting style? He can’t really use it in broccoli form

 

[ZenZu]

Doesn’t the fact that he transformed back into his giant broccoli form right before declaring that he will finally go all out kinda prove that his sword isn’t a core part of his fighting style? He can’t really use it in broccoli form

Where did he say he's going all out? Wasn't he just getting serious?

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Doesn’t the fact that he transformed back into his giant broccoli form right before declaring that he will finally go all out kinda prove that his sword isn’t a core part of his fighting style? He can’t really use it in broccoli form

when did he declare he will go all out?

post the panel

 

[soupongo]

Doesn’t the fact that he transformed back into his giant broccoli form right before declaring that he will finally go all out kinda prove that his sword isn’t a core part of his fighting style? He can’t really use it in broccoli form

Serious at killing Momo, I guess.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Doesn’t the fact that he transformed back into his giant broccoli form right before declaring that he will finally go all out kinda prove that his sword isn’t a core part of his fighting style? He can’t really use it in broccoli form

the fact that he can't use his kokuto in broccoli form makes it worse for the swordtards lol

cause that just means his df is superior to a kokuto

 

[Shiroyru]

when did he declare he will go all out?

post the panel

Where did he say he's going all out? Wasn't he just getting serious?

Idk I was just going off of what soupongo said

 

[soupongo]

Idk I was just going off of what soupongo said

You´re missing the point. He was simply trying to restrain Momo and the others, not giving the time of the day previously

Later, he mentions that he´s finally going to try killing Momo:

My point isn´t that he would show his full power or whatever, my point is that we haven´t seen a remotely serious Aramaki on screen. He doesn´t even have an equivalent to MF fights the c3 had.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Idk I was just going off of what soupongo said

yeah i kinda expected that you were just making shit up

 

[Fn Lucci]

That´s about the admirals, not Kuzan in specific. Kuzan is just the first admiral introduced.

I also don´t see how that´s related to him not showing his punching abilities after having significantly more screen time than Aramaki did.

Being one of three doesn't change anything. Maybe you could say that if they were deployed together.

And again, he showed his hand to hand skill in every encounter. The fact that he didn't punch anyone doesn't actually change that because even when he does punch, he still uses his ice powers. I mean I guess I can see how you get the conclusion wrong if you don't realize the things that would indicate it

 

[soupongo]

Being one of three doesn't change anything. Maybe you could say that if they were deployed together.

Idk what you´re trying to argue here, ngl.

What does him being one of the ultimate fighting force of the military have to do with his punching skills? Just that being part of that group speaks to him being versatile? Well again, Aramaki is in the same group. He is the ultimate fighting force of the Navy, with him and Fujitora replacing Sakazuki and Kuzan.

And again, he showed his hand to hand skill in every encounter. The fact that he didn't punch anyone doesn't actually change that because even when he does punch, he still uses his ice powers. I mean I guess I can see how you get the conclusion wrong if you don't realize the things that would indicate it

1. I´m pretty sure every character has shown the ability to engage in h2h combat aside from like.... Usopp, or some shit. What´s explicit is we didn´t see him display punches that were able to clash with Garp, or create huge haki explosions, until hundreds of chapters in. What we saw from him previously was ordinary
2. It´s not even true we always see him use h2h skill. Did he use it against, Jozu, Doffy, Cracker? Not really... he relied on his DF.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Idk what you´re trying to argue here, ngl.

You're actually overthinking it.

Just that being part of that group speaks to him being versatile?

Yes

Well again, Aramaki is in the same group. He is the ultimate fighting force of the Navy, with him and Fujitora replacing Sakazuki and Kuzan.

The original trio are stronger than Fujitora and Greenbull, but since one left and the other is in a different position, technically they still qualify as the strongest.

1. I´m pretty sure every character has shown the ability to engage in h2h combat aside from like.... Usopp, or some shit.

Kaido?

2. It´s not even true we always see him use h2h skill. Did he use it against, Jozu, Doffy, Cracker? Not really... he relied on his DF.

Because his DF powers are definitely more important in strength and general function than his fists. Hell, he uses his ice powers to augment his fists.

 

[Blazing Lion]

And none of these pussies are willing to bet on this, disappointing but then maybe I expected too much from shameless cucks who call their favourite anime character as Papazuki

 

[Juanpiz]

You are are trying to tell me my own position based on a conversation we never had lol. Not sure why you believe this is more than a waste of time.

Did she? Lol pretty great if so

He is called the Ultimate Power. That was literally the title of chapter 320.
Luffy's punches did zero damage and he managed to completely stop Luffy's strongest attack. Which, I dunno, maybe you were reading before Gears or Haki? It sounds like y'all don't have any respect for the pre time skip characters.

But even then, knowing what we know about Haki, those feats could be assumed to be armament and observation. The series hasn't shown Aokiji to lack anything so far other than CoC.

It's funny you say "would have been clowned mercilessly" because here you are, trying to call shenanigans on someone who placed Aokiji high from the rip. There's also some woodsman related to this thread but idk

If it makes you feel better, he's not Garp's equal.

This part goes in circles because we only have Mihawk and Ryuma confirmed. There is no assumption possible that less than the very best can figure it out.


Luffy and Coby are both students of Garp, too.

Yeah
Kizaru-sengoku
Kuzan-garp
Akainu-tsuru

 

[comrade]

Wtf scholar is waffling about?
It was mentioned two times that Garp is weakened lmao.
So a Healthy old Garp's punch power will be equal to a weakened Old Garp's punch power?

Garp has named moves and in his prime had superior ACoC, but when it comes to raw punching strength, yes, we were literally told Kuzan = Garp. Which is kinda fine given Kuzan has an awakened top tier logia in his pocket. Not to mention Garp using ACoC in his exchange of blows was equally matched by Kuzan, resulting in a nuke destroying the environment (so either you say Kuzan also has ACoC or a bit of ice around the fist matches ACoC, lol).

And yes, people can repeat that Garp was stabbed, but a stab doesn't reduce your AP, as I've told, people have been dishing out their strongest attacks with 1 HP left. All Shiryu's stab did was wearing his stamina down, so he would go down more quickly in the end.

There is a reason right before their exchange of punches, we had a flashback where we were told that Kuzan's punches caught up and at some point, you couldn't hear the difference, with the marine battleships being equally dented (despite Kuzan starting much later and weaker).

 

[MonochromeYoru]

And none of these pussies are willing to bet on this, disappointing but then maybe I expected too much from shameless cucks who call their favourite anime character as Papazuki

Bro your guys literally call zoro Grandmaster unironically

Papazuki is a meme and way less cringe compared to that

If you wanna bet on it, I'll bet. What are your terms?

 

[NikaInParis]

Here we go, Mihawk’s feats are so abysmal that they resort to Mihawk’s only victory in 30 years: a victory against East Blue Zolo


This is always how Failhawk supporters operate since his feats are absolute trash. Weevil cut an ex Admiral’s arm off before we even learned Weevil’s name lmfao.

Ironically we saw his ceiling in the same arc: He couldn't defeat Admiral Don Krieg