[FNZ] Super Role Madness Pokemon: I choose you!

[Polar Bear]

I for one am grateful for the night chats. EoDs are often very tense for towns, who will often doubt themselves, and make bad last-minute changes, and panic that if people are sheeping them, it might be because scum want a town wagoned. From a purely mental and emotional perspective, I found it cathartic to talk with my fellow players for several hours after each lynch. Scum can back-pat each other or console each other, but towns don't normally get to celebrate or commiserate together, and I think that sort of thing is actually very good for morale.

Like I said, if it was unlimited or 3 shot, sure I'm fine with it. The fact that it was 1 shot and she used it virtually blindly on n1 that could only have refilled night chat or a day invest....makes it super suspect.

 

[Pot Goblin]

Like I said, if it was unlimited or 3 shot, sure I'm fine with it. The fact that it was 1 shot and she used it virtually blindly on n1 that could only have refilled night chat or a day invest....makes it super suspect.

Night chat is good but not that good lol

 

[ThatAverageGuy]

Please don’t try to get a read off of this cuz sadly I would

I feel an exaggerated burden to perform well as either alignment cuz regardless of alignment I dont want to hurt my teammates, and unfortunately I see being inactive or unreadable as making the game less enjoyable for everyone involved, and I also set way too high of expectations for myself. Basically I just assume everyone will get mad to some degree if I don’t deliver / make mistakes and on an intellectual level I know it’s wrong, but I let the thought go unchecked for so long it’s become a bad habit

@Crying bc no Cryo

Then why aren't you saying all of this in scum-chat? It is, after all, your fellow-scummates that you've left down by allowing Rej to be lynched, after all.

 

[ThatAverageGuy]

Like I said, if it was unlimited or 3 shot, sure I'm fine with it. The fact that it was 1 shot and she used it virtually blindly on n1 that could only have refilled night chat or a day invest....makes it super suspect.

Yes, imagine a player just randomly doing something for the fun of it on Day 1. Objectively awful play, in my opinion.

But truly... why do you think York's blind shot of refill was any worse than your post-trap which you set knowing that there was a 20 in 46* chance it might hit a town?




*I'm account for the 20 or so sub players as well

 

[gingerbread]

I gotta say Polar looks good here, he responded to my questions quite logically and offensively, without fear for confrontation.

 

[ThatAverageGuy]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Between York and Polar, one refilled an action, while one destroyed an action. Who feels qualified to sit in judgement over them?

 

[ThatAverageGuy]

I gotta say Polar looks good here, he responded to my questions quite logically and offensively, without fear for confrontation.

I don't have any feeling for his responses myself, but sometimes it's good to cross swords with someone to better get a measure of them.

 

[gingerbread]

@Polar Bear What about claiming RPS kill by York? From scum!York perspective, why do you think she needed to claim that?

 

[ThatAverageGuy]

@Polar Bear What about claiming RPS kill by York? From scum!York perspective, why do you think she needed to claim that?

She was obviously involved in the nefarious plot to clear you after you night-killed Luka and got hit by his self-destruct ability.

Top tier acting, my spicy friend.

 

[gingerbread]

I don't have any feeling for his responses myself, but sometimes it's good to cross swords with someone to better get a measure of them.

BTW I gave my opinion on Goblin.

Wanted to ask how do you see it. To sum up:
- I find the choice to antitamper someone who's visiting you to be a bit... unusual?
- general extreme lack of suspects makes me lean town him, because I think scum would at least have something by D3?

 

[ThatAverageGuy]

Night chat is good but not that good lol

I thought it was the best part of the game so far, honestly.

Especially after we lynched Rej.

 

[ThatAverageGuy]

BTW I gave my opinion on Goblin.

Wanted to ask how do you see it. To sum up:
- I find the choice to antitamper someone who's visiting you to be a bit... unusual?
- general extreme lack of suspects makes me lean town him, because I think scum would at least have something by D3?

Ah yes, I saw this on my phone.

I find Goblin's anti-tamper on Flower to be sensible. Flower had already asked if he could be safely visited, so it was apparent that she was thinking of doing something to him. For all anyone knew, that could have been an alignment-cop check.

Now imagine, you're town-Goblin and you know someone has publically stated they're going to visit you. You can use your ability to prevent that player being redirected onto a scum and giving a false red read.

Do you do it?

I certainly would.

On your second point, and about his lack of suspects... I recall you and I had a conversation a short while ago about "appeasement behaviour" and how York seemed to be doing this to the people (Michelle, Cal) who suspected her.

What difference do you see in York doing "appeasement behaviour" towards the people sussing her, and scum-Goblin doing "appeasement behaviour" by being afraid to call out too many players as scum?

 

[Jan]

@Jan you did a deeper dive on Yoho, correct? Can you elaborate on your conclusions a little more?

@Flower
I will revisit him to go a big deeper just to confirm myself. (hours later, sorry I got busy for a moment and left this post half written for an hour)
A lot of small things to me.

He is doing more.

Doing more because in this game, Yoho's content is spread over more posts.
Plus, his content posts are more casual.
He talks about more people in different posts. While in his scumgame he has ~4 big content posts. But not a lot of content outside of that.

One is a readlist, and the other 3 are focused on rej (his partner) and alexis, because he got asked directly.

He had more small posts in this game that show input and thought process and reactions, where in Frieren, most of them feel more empty or are fluff (he has fluff in both games, just more in Frieren as scum)

Maybe the biggest point:
I just realised, he is more inquisitive here. Casual questions about reads here and there.
He had 0 (zero) of that in his scumgame. He did not care about finding out other people's thoughts.

Just a lot of small things that add up to a very different feeling overall.

 

[Crying bc no Cryo]

@Crying bc no Cryo

Then why aren't you saying all of this in scum-chat? It is, after all, your fellow-scummates that you've left down by allowing Rej to be lynched, after all.

I don’t have a scum chat is the thing

 

[Jan]

I'm really leaning York as scum now. Her usage of her only refill seems like an utter freaking waste and the RPS shot.

Didn't Charlie ask for a refill and get the wrong action refilled at random?

 

[Yoho]

Good morning my rival.

I fell back to sleep

 

[gingerbread]

Although with that town lean on Goblin now I have personally too many people I'm throwing leantowns on now to have a PoE wide enough that would supplement a scumteam. Seems like *lean* town shouldn't cut it anymore and I should just call them nulls.

Because right now my direct scumreads are Orca and Ratchet and I don't have much else. And also Juliet, but that's, like, a passed out slot anyway. And I don't really think Ratchet is with Juliet.

Would have to gather what I townlean/nulltown people for:

Goblin:
- lack of suspects

York:
- claiming RPS kill

Jan:
- good d2 post about not knowing what to do

Hayumi:
- scummeta drift (less asslicking)

Shujing/Poyser:
- because I... I don't think that scumteam was making movement when we had Cryo and Shuji were wagoned? funnily enough, I feel quite o Kay with this?

Relo:
- indifferent feel of the d1 thread by EOD plus Rej jumping on his wagon as it was forming

Tepig:
- unusual play for scum by going at Flower
- straightforward way of thinking by going for Luka's reads

RippedCal:
- solvier than scumgame, plus had some unusual plays for scum to do (Yorkdancing, good luck explanation for not throwing Charlie to a lim, weird post to Jan about his role)


I guess also overall I'd expect that, by now, Jan would be my v. solid town read, and he's somehow not. His play is logical, well thought out, he's a smart guy and I can totally see how he could kill Marimo for credit.

What I think I lack in Jan is going/commiting to bolder pushes... Like, d1 last game he started a CFD on Raylle. He wasn't afraid to speak up more I think. I don't really know how to exactly put this, but I'm missing some... extracurricular stuff from him? Like, doing these little, stupid things that a townperson usually does, diving into weird theories or unnecessary engagements.

 

[Jan]

@Jan what did your role destory thing or whatever do n1?

Nothing, as far as I know.

Shuijing claimed he did not do anything, and as such, nothing bad happened.

 

[Jan]

Ahh, gotcha.

I don't know that it *is* a team guess, but when I see players listed next to each other in the scum section of a PoE, and it's very obvious they're not scum together, it always makes me question whether the player making that read is thinking critically about how aligned the players are, or whether they are "scum in a vacuum" reads.

Given that Orca listed probably (or close to) exactly the number of scum that should exist within this game according to consensus, I assumed it was a "these players can all be scum together" read. Perhaps that was an incorrect assumption, but when I see my name on a potential scum list along with the three other players who were in my PoE yesterday along with Rej, I can't help but feel that is not a genuine list of reads.

Also, I'm sorry but I can't see the post you made about it. Could you give me the post number so I can look it up?

@ThatAverageGuy
My response to the list (plus reaction to bitter):

I think the list is not so good.
But I wouldn't call it opportunistic.
Most of those kills are unlikely to happen today.
And the LHF town slots like Yoho and York are not on it (that got pushed by others)

Leaving is not all that relevant to me.
Sometimes life gets in the way.
I would only read into it if it is a repeated offense.

 

[gingerbread]

@Flower
I will revisit him to go a big deeper just to confirm myself. (hours later, sorry I got busy for a moment and left this post half written for an hour)
A lot of small things to me.

He is doing more.

Doing more because in this game, Yoho's content is spread over more posts.
Plus, his content posts are more casual.
He talks about more people in different posts. While in his scumgame he has ~4 big content posts. But not a lot of content outside of that.

One is a readlist, and the other 3 are focused on rej (his partner) and alexis, because he got asked directly.

He had more small posts in this game that show input and thought process and reactions, where in Frieren, most of them feel more empty or are fluff (he has fluff in both games, just more in Frieren as scum)

Maybe the biggest point:
I just realised, he is more inquisitive here. Casual questions about reads here and there.
He had 0 (zero) of that in his scumgame. He did not care about finding out other people's thoughts.

Just a lot of small things that add up to a very different feeling overall.

@ThatAverageGuy

I think that solidly unpairs Jan with Yoho, that read is too detailed and person who made it clearly believes in it.