Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1177 Spoilers Discussion

[WkainuWheWoat]

Nobody here is saying X attack is stronger than Y attack. The WHOLE POINT here is, how can someone using CoC coating + Green Flames(the exacly same attributes as KOH mode), is "holding back"?

And again, he's final blow STILL WASN'T enough to K.O Lucci

he is holding back, your point makes no sense because you completly ignore everything that was shown.
you say coc+Hell fames, now tell me what atatcks were used when he used it? he used it for 1 page for no named casual attacks and after that turned it off again. like I said you literally cant come up with headcanon how a Zoro that did not use any of his Top 10 strongest atatck is somehow not holding back.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Shanks and Shamrock were said to be equal around the time of the end of the flashback.

Shamrock also has DFs + Imu's power on top. He is easily Shanks' level.

This.

 

[ZoroFan23]

I doubt he said much besides just saying Sanji can unlock Conq Haki eventually

Nah he said something like: "What do you want? You better not be staring at my woman Doggy!"

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

Thats already debunked tho
We know through harald all "real" HK members have the the mid contract

Imu can only give 13 of the mid and the highest contract together

the gorosei have the highest contract this leaves only 8

That fits with the god knights

Which is the thing that got debunked?
Didn't Harald at first on Shallow Pact?
Or the things that Gunko who already live as long as Brook but didn't get aged?
If its about Gunko,
I believe Gunko had Shallow pact at first, since she lives near Imu she got controlled but still aged, and the number eight are empty (because on GV only 7 got shown, 1 prolly dead or whatever lol)
And long story shorts, Sham is one of them probably someone's stepping down which is doubtful so prolly just killed.
So imo its still 7.
We know that Shanks was supposed to be the Eighth but refused so there comes Harald, Harald dies so the Eighth HK are empty again. So maybe thats where Gunko came in. So she is maybe in her forties before getting into HK.
And we knew how Oda handle Women lol

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

@GrandmasterChef Zonji also i forgot Sommers regenerated an extra arm after it got caught off by gaban

Did oda got the eldery mangaka debuff or whats going on ?
Is sanji unlocking god ki?

Lol Oda is old tbh
He just retcon the things about Katakuri too, so maybe in Volumes he fix it

 

[TheD.]

Shanks and Shamrock were said to be equal around the time of the end of the flashback.

Shamrock also has DFs + Imu's power on top. He is easily Shanks' level.

Being equal to 24 year old shanks doesn’t mean much

and we know shanks went through a lot of battles that forced him to haki bloom and develop coo killing,there’s no way shamrock got massively stronger and above shanks level by killing random fodder slaves.

 

[kekaro]

Which is the thing that got debunked?
Didn't Harald at first on Shallow Pact?
Or the things that Gunko who already live as long as Brook but didn't get aged?
If its about Gunko,
I believe Gunko had Shallow pact at first, since she lives near Imu she got controlled but still aged, and the number eight are empty (because on GV only 7 got shown, 1 prolly dead or whatever lol)
And long story shorts, Sham is one of them probably someone's stepping down which is doubtful so prolly just killed.
So imo its still 7.
We know that Shanks was supposed to be the Eighth but refused so there comes Harald, Harald dies so the Eighth HK are empty again. So maybe thats where Gunko came in. So she is maybe in her forties before getting into HK.
And we knew how Oda handle Women lol

The Shallow contract has no regen powers, it just make you obey orders, was said by harald
You need a higher pact. Harald was only shown regenerating getting that
Gunko has regen, so she has a mid pact, the depths one, as you need that for regen
Given she is not even leader of the HK, let alone seems to be not high on that hireachy (look at how they treat shamrock vs sommers and killingham making fun of her during eating and listening music) she has the same level of contract as sommers and killingham

So a "slow regen" that is exclusive for the HK is not only shown anywhere in the manga, we were shown the contrary

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

Is Dragon already on the list? Cause thats also a Dragon L

Dragon slander is rare because of Luffy and Garp

 

[kekaro]

Dragon slander is rare because of Luffy and Garp

Idc if rest of the fandom thinks he is giga cool cause his power level is maximum
Lragon is on a long list of characters that put me to sleep if i read any chapter with him
Bro and his likes are drawn zanex pills to me

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

The Shallow contract has no regen powers, it just make you obey orders, was said by harald
You need a higher pact. Harald was only shown regenerating getting that
Gunko has regen, so she has a mid pact, the depths one, as you need that for regen
Given she is not even leader of the HK, let alone seems to be not high on that hireachy (look at how they treat shamrock vs sommers and killingham making fun of her during eating and listening music) she has the same level of contract as sommers and killingham

So a "slow regen" that is exclusive for the HK is not only shown anywhere in the manga, we were shown the contrary

Oh thats the argument,
I get it
But yea we can only speculate so much for now especially Oda constantly forgetting somethings currently.
The Slow regen are based on speculation for now imo.
Cuz if we see a clear difference between the first and second pact, the third one gotta be atleast better.

 

[Albino 👑]

1. Has Zoro mastered enma? As in is he now capable of casually outputting the same amount of haki enma wants like Oden was?

If he has/does it’ll likely mean we’ll see less green smoke that indicates overflowing or over exerting haki. Also it would likely mean he is the king of hell so koh purgatory oni giri will just be called purgatory oni giri without the koh part

2. As for Sanji is he now capable of reaching ifrit jambe levels of heat without the exoskeleton? We know that he definitely did need the exoskeleton to get to that level in wano but if his haki has gotten stronger since then it should definitely be possible. Especially when he gets conquerors he should definitely be able to

It could 100% be a mistake since it’s oda and he does it all the time but he did keep Sanji’s eyebrows normal at one point in elbaf while using ifrit

When it comes to Luffy we know he finally incorporated g4 into his base

Wano Zoro struggling to output koh/oden levels of haki. Meaning more haki is being forcefully released (overflow) aka bigger green flame

Egghead Zoro was also overflowing his haki against Lucci but this time the smoke being significantly smaller compared to Wano
Likely indicating his better mastery of enma

Elbaf Zoro might’ve finally mastered enma to the same degree as oden so he can now causally use it without the need of overwhelming his body with overflow

Same way Luffy masterd g4 and can do it in base and even Sanji might’ve mastered ifrit to the point he can do it without the exoskeleton

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The Shallow contract has no regen powers, it just make you obey orders, was said by harald
You need a higher pact. Harald was only shown regenerating getting that
Gunko has regen, so she has a mid pact, the depths one, as you need that for regen
Given she is not even leader of the HK, let alone seems to be not high on that hireachy (look at how they treat shamrock vs sommers and killingham making fun of her during eating and listening music) she has the same level of contract as sommers and killingham

So a "slow regen" that is exclusive for the HK is not only shown anywhere in the manga, we were shown the contrary

You can also just see that Sommers thought his arm was going to regrow instantly after it got cut by Gaban which means the regen for this tier is also instant

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

He’s right you know

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Oh thats the argument,
I get it
But yea we can only speculate so much for now especially Oda constantly forgetting somethings currently.
The Slow regen are based on speculation for now imo.
Cuz if we see a clear difference between the first and second pact, the third one gotta be atleast better.

Imo I don’t think slow regen exists because Sommers was shocked the hand wasn’t regrowing faster (and he was confused after just a few seconds)

 

[kekaro]

You can also just see that Sommers thought his arm was going to regrow instantly after it got cut by Gaban which means the regen for this tier is also instant

Yeah i wrote this above thats why "just keep away his body parts to stop them from regen" either is kinda making me go "huh?"
Like did oda offscreen how sommers hand flew to him or whats going on?

 

[RyoQ]

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yeah i wrote this above thats why "just keep away his body parts to stop them from regen" either is kinda making me go "huh?"
Like did oda offscreen how sommers hand flew to him or whats going on?

I chalk it up to the characters in the verse don’t understand and are just making guesses.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

You can also just see that Sommers thought his arm was going to regrow instantly after it got cut by Gaban which means the regen for this tier is also instant

 

[Ven437]

Wait a min Luffy just pull a fucking Carrot-Perospero vendetta on Imu? Get mad at Imu for dumb self-KO that Usopp did on his own

 

[Doggo]

Yeah i wrote this above thats why "just keep away his body parts to stop them from regen" either is kinda making me go "huh?"
Like did oda offscreen how sommers hand flew to him or whats going on?

it's just a lazy way of saying splitting Killingham in 3 doesn't mean he will grow into 3 new Killingham because each part will regen itself fully.