Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

It's actually pretty interesting that it's the European Jews who are stopping this Law @Roo , the same ones who western Leftists call colonisers

Meanwhile Arab Jews wanna genocide the entire West Bank

In Europe Jews are divided between supporting Israel's action, denouncing Israel's action but supporting Israel's "right" to exist and decolonial jew who are antifascist and are denouncing the genocide but also the current status of Israel as a country.

All non-native Israelians are - by nature - colonists. But yeah, thankfully, people are fighting back the law, but it's peanuts. The majority of Israeli are aligning with the fascist and genocidal actions of the Israelian gov. And most of those who fight against do not question the state of Israel as a colonial and appartheid state. Only very few scholars and people are actually questionning the legitimacy of Israel as a state and the action against Palestinian.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Druze too right? Btw

And Israeli Christians too

Ba'al means lord btw

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Remember when they used to say “a room with 1 nazi and 12 people is a room with 12 nazis”? Now they unironically allow the worst people to join their movements and cry whenever it’s pointed out

I came to realize years ago that a lot of leftist are not truly secular/atheist, they are just anti Christian lol

A lot of leftists basically use leftism as their religion.

it’s the reason why extreme antizionists basically reach the same conclusions as jihadists

Whereas the jihadist ascribed absolute evil to Israel by associating it with Satan, leftists do the same thing via the characterization of it as a settler colony.

This isn’t to say that the settler colonial paradigm is invalid, there is some truth in using it to understand I/P. But the way in which fanatical antizionists associate settler colonialism with absolute evil is basically a secularized version of religious thinking.

 

[Logiko]

A lot of leftists basically use leftism as their religion.

it’s the reason why extreme antizionists basically reach the same conclusions as jihadists

Which is?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Which is?

“Israel is inherently evil and needs to be destroyed by any means necessary”

 

[HerreraIsBack]

“Israel is inherently evil and needs to be destroyed by any means necessary”

It's incredible how people let them get away with it and at the same time condemns nazism as the worst thing one can do as if it was any different from communism

 

[Jew D. Boy]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/jan-6-rioter-pardoned-by-trump-sentenced-child-pornography-collection-rcna26596

Say it with me, everyone…NOT A TRANS PERSON, BUT A MAGAT ONCE AGAIN JUST LIKE EVERY SINGLE OTHER TIME

 

[Logiko]

This isn’t to say that the settler colonial paradigm is invalid, there is some truth in using it to understand I/P. But the way in which fanatical antizionists associate settler colonialism with absolute evil is basically a secularized version of religious thinking.

Settler colonialism IS EVIL

It's a SYSTEMIC OPPRESSION, exploitation and destruction of people's ressources and lives. You have absolutely no understanding of what colonialism is so let me gave it to you straight for the last freaking time:

Israel is a colonial, fascist, genocidal and appartheid state. Meaning that it can exist without being a colonial and therefore oppressive state by nature against a population that is still fighting to survive. If noone stop them, then the state will continue the genocide of multiple poopulation and their colonization of the entire territories around them. Now.. Unless you want to defend this, there is no other good words than: "Israel must go"

And that's not religious thinking. That's thinking backed by researchs, and the fucking blood of people dying under an appartheid, war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide and now systemic extermination.

Do you want to see the the real life impact of zionism on the dismembered heads, torso and limb of children???? No because I have the links ready for you to finally take the slap of reality that you need if that's what you want.

Now, we have the question of the "by any means necessary". And while I agree that we shouldn't attack random civilians, you don't have a say in the way people fight this type of oppression. Especially when you are continuously trying to diminish the impact and danger of Zionism or colonialism. Zionism is a supremacism. That's not a leftist religious fantasy, that's a freaking sociological and historical fact documented by scholar far more intelligent than both of us.

Being antizionist and against colonialism is not only a duty, it's an ethical necessity.

@$#£ !! He managed to trigger me before sleep.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Settler colonialism IS EVIL

It's a SYSTEMIC OPPRESSION, exploitation and destruction of people's ressources and lives. You have absolutely no understanding of what colonialism is so let me gave it to you straight for the last freaking time:

Israel is a colonial, fascist, genocidal and appartheid state. Meaning that it can exist without being a colonial and therefore oppressive state by nature against a population that is still fighting to survive. If noone stop them, then the state will continue the genocide of multiple poopulation and their colonization of the entire territories around them. Now.. Unless you want to defend this, there is no other good words than: "Israel must go"

And that's not religious thinking. That's thinking backed by researchs, and the fucking blood of people dying under an appartheid, war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide and now systemic extermination.

Do you want to see the the real life impact of zionism on the dismembered heads, torso and limb of children???? No because I have the links ready for you to finally take the slap of reality that you need if that's what you want.

Now, we have the question of the "by any means necessary". And while I agree that we shouldn't attack random civilians, you don't have a say in the way people fight this type of oppression. Especially when you are continuously trying to diminish the impact and danger of Zionism or colonialism. Zionism is a supremacism. That's not a leftist religious fantasy, that's a freaking sociological and historical fact documented by scholar far more intelligent than both of us.

Being antizionist and against colonialism is not only a duty, it's an ethical necessity.

@$#£ !! He managed to trigger me before sleep.

What is good and what is evil are the basis of religious thinking.

You say it’s not religious, but your political ideology basically serves the same purpose in your life as religion does in other people’s

• It tells you what is good and what is evil
• It gives your life purpose and meaning
• If you’re involved in any activism, it probably gives you community as well

 

[Roo]

And Israeli Christians too

Ba'al means lord btw

abrahamic cucks all worship baal smh

 

[sanjikun]

A lot of leftists basically use leftism as their religion..

Which is quite sad tbh

 

[Mathias]

Converts are the most extremists.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Which is quite sad tbh

Kinda, idk

I don’t think leftists are inherently wrong because they believe things passionately. Everyone has some form of deeply held beliefs.

A lot of @Logiko ’s criticisms of Israel and Zionism do have merit.

But leftism is still subject to the same failings as other schools of thought.

Israel is a colonial, fascist, genocidal and appartheid state. Meaning that it can exist without being a colonial and therefore oppressive state by nature against a population that is still fighting to survive. If noone stop them, then the state will continue the genocide of multiple poopulation and their colonization of the entire territories around them. Now.. Unless you want to defend this, there is no other good words than: "Israel must go"

Like a lot of this has less to do with the inherent “nature of Israel” and more to do with the overall political climate in the Middle East.

They’re kinda in the same position Europe was in 100+ years ago wherein you have a bunch of nations(Israel included) that are undemocratic and ultranationalist.

It creates a climate of perpetual war. Anyways the way out of this isn’t necessarily via the “destruction” of Israel, Iran, etc. but a transformation of the institutions in these countries and an overall commitment to peace across the board.

 

[Reborn]

These twitter handles do not report complete truth.

Law applies to Palestinians detainees who are guilty of killin Israelis and not to all Palestinian detainees.

Having that said, this irks of two tier justice system and is highly discriminatory.

Thats untill Trump regime ends . he next one will fix the relation.

I think Vance and Rubio will be far more relaxed .

The trust deficit and dislike for US are getting tickle down to the masses.


New administration might try to get along with NATO and other allies but building bridges and trust would take decades of serious efforts.

Even if US try it's best, the World would still try to become self reliant or diversify to protect their own national interests.

Tbh it's more like everyone else being retarded

China and Russia had their credibility destroyed by making promises they cannot do

America is seen as too aggressive

Europe is impotent

Erdowan is a cuck to the Ummah

The Gulf are paper tigers who rattle 24/7

Pakistan tried to play both sides in Saudi/Iran

Egypt is a whore

Latin Americans are fat

Well Russia as an ally is far better than having US or China lol

 

[Reborn]

Iran's President - We possess the necessary will to end this conflict, provided that essential conditions are met -- especially the guarantees required to prevent repetition of the aggression,


Well, it seems talks are indeed going on.

It would be better if they reach some sort of a deal.

 

[Reborn]

We are at a crossroad where there's a visible pushback against both globalization and illegal immigration.

Many societies are experiencing rapid economic and cultural shifts.

Jobs have moved overseas in many sectors. Wage growth has stagnated for large sections of the population.

Technology especially AI is increasing uncertainty about jobs.

These shifts have made cultural identity more politically charged when social change is happening at much faster pace.

This has created a demand for economic and cultural protection.

Right leaning leaders have picked up on these sentiments and aligned themselves with the issues majority of the population faces.

Their messaging resonates with the majority because it directly addresses security, identity, and economic stability, the core concerns of this phase.

On the other hand, many left leaning movements have focused more on social justice, Inclusion, minority rights.

These are important issues but in the current global situation they are often perceived as secondary to economic insecurity and cultural concerns and leftist leaders often put these concerns on the backseat or don't directly provide an economic vision that competes with protectionist narratives.

To make matters worse, there's lack of connection with the majority of the masses. A clear communication gap.


I don't know if I am right but I have seen liberals and leftist protests in the west recently and hardly saw any prominent leader present on the ground with these protestors.

War situations and changing geoplotical situations across the world favors right leaning more as well.

 

[Midnight Delight]

I don't know if I am right but I have seen liberals and leftist protests in the west recently and hardly saw any prominent leader present on the ground with these protestors

Hassan Piker is their Imam

 

[Logiko]

What is good and what is evil are the basis of religious thinking.

Yes. but here we are talking about ethic. The word was used to show you that you didn't understand the problem.

You say it’s not religious, but your political ideology basically serves the same purpose in your life as religion does in other people’s

• It tells you what is good and what is evil
• It gives your life purpose and meaning
• If you’re involved in any activism, it probably gives you community as well

No. We don't define what good and evil, we define what is ethical and what is not and use your definition of evil to equate the unthetical to it for people like you to understand.

But yeah, it give purpse, meaning and community. Which is perfectly fine and something that is not a religious thing, but a social pattern since we are, spoiler, a social specie who needs purpose.

But leftism is still subject to the same failings as other schools of thought.

They can be be. But in practice, a lot less.

Like a lot of this has less to do with the inherent “nature of Israel” and more to do with the overall political climate in the Middle East.

No. It has everything to do with the political organization and structure of the state. The situation in the middle east is a direct consequence of this organization.

They’re kinda in the same position Europe was in 100+ years ago wherein you have a bunch of nations(Israel included) that are undemocratic and ultranationalist.

Most - if not all - nations in the world are undemocratic and ultranationalist. The middle east is not that special. It's just more dehumanized by the west.

There are no really democratic country on this planet.

On the other hand, many left leaning movements have focused more on social justice, Inclusion, minority rights.

These are important issues but in the current global situation they are often perceived as secondary to economic insecurity and cultural concerns and leftist leaders often put these concerns on the backseat or don't directly provide an economic vision that competes with protectionist narratives.

In reality, it's just a branch of leftism. The globality of leftism attacks capitalism.

I don't know if I am right but I have seen liberals and leftist protests in the west recently and hardly saw any prominent leader present on the ground with these protestors.

We don't have this problem in France, while leftist leaders are usually not amazing, they are in the streets with leftist most of the times.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/...to-over-iran-rubio-warns-echoing-trump-threat

Donnie is blackmailing NATO allies again . I hope EU pushback and dont grant this wish. Let him and Israel figure out strait of Hormuz.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I think its time NATO start to work without US , main concern would be Ukraine war.

Its going to be tough year ahead .