Controversial CMV: Kishimoto Writes women better than Lolda
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Nami is better. You are biased. Man, I read Naruto as an ongoing till 2014 and finished it there. Also, I never wanted to rewatch it or reread it. I have a good memory, so I clearly remember how Sakura beat Naruto like crazy. It was never funny. Also, I dislike Sakura for other reasons than just beating Naruto. My main problem with her character comes from her goals. Threw the whole story, her desicions was biased and stupid. She literally wasn't happy to be what she is, but all she wanted to become was like Naruto, which she failed. Someone compared her to Tsunade, but Tsunade never dreamed to became like Jiraya or Orochimaru. She became a strong woman just because of her own desires, and she was happy with the position that she acquired. So yeah, I dislike Sakura so much. She didn't become anyone. As for her decision to kill Sasuke...I'm not going to even say how dumb it was.
On the other hand, we have Nami, who is happy to be what she is. She is strong willed young woman who knows what she wants and is doing what she wants. So yeah, the difference is there.
But the worst part in Kishimoto's female writing comes from the fact that almost all his female characters wanted to become like some other male character. The only character who was biased, like in Naruto manga, in One Piece was Yamato. Shitty character that almost everyone dislikes. But then again whole of Wano was written with an agenda to make fun of the ninja(Kishimoto) theme. Hinata decided to be like Naruto. Neji decided to be like Naruto. Sakura wanted to become Naruto. Tsunade was inspired by Naruto. This is sooo dumb.
Imagine Boa, who decided to become Luffy
On the other hand, we have Nami, who is happy to be what she is. She is strong willed young woman who knows what she wants and is doing what she wants. So yeah, the difference is there.
But the worst part in Kishimoto's female writing comes from the fact that almost all his female characters wanted to become like some other male character. The only character who was biased, like in Naruto manga, in One Piece was Yamato. Shitty character that almost everyone dislikes. But then again whole of Wano was written with an agenda to make fun of the ninja(Kishimoto) theme. Hinata decided to be like Naruto. Neji decided to be like Naruto. Sakura wanted to become Naruto. Tsunade was inspired by Naruto. This is sooo dumb.
Imagine Boa, who decided to become Luffy
Nami is better. You are biased. Man, I read Naruto as an ongoing till 2014 and finished it there. Also, I never wanted to rewatch it or reread it. I have a good memory, so I clearly remember how Sakura beat Naruto like crazy. It was never funny. Also, I dislike Sakura for other reasons than just beating Naruto. My main problem with her character comes from her goals. Threw the whole story, her desicions was biased and stupid. She literally wasn't happy to be what she is, but all she wanted to become was like Naruto, which she failed. Someone compared her to Tsunade, but Tsunade never dreamed to became like Jiraya or Orochimaru. She became a strong woman just because of her own desires, and she was happy with the position that she acquired. So yeah, I dislike Sakura so much. She didn't become anyone. As for her decision to kill Sasuke...I'm not going to even say how dumb it was.
On the other hand, we have Nami, who is happy to be what she is. She is strong willed young woman who knows what she wants and is doing what she wants. So yeah, the difference is there.
But the worst part in Kishimoto's female writing comes from the fact that almost all his female characters wanted to become like some other male character. The only character who was biased, like in Naruto manga, in One Piece was Yamato. Shitty character that almost everyone dislikes. But then again whole of Wano was written with an agenda to make fun of the ninja(Kishimoto) theme. Hinata decided to be like Naruto. Neji decided to be like Naruto. Sakura wanted to become Naruto. Tsunade was inspired by Naruto. This is sooo dumb.
Imagine Boa, who decided to become Luffy
On the other hand, we have Nami, who is happy to be what she is. She is strong willed young woman who knows what she wants and is doing what she wants. So yeah, the difference is there.
But the worst part in Kishimoto's female writing comes from the fact that almost all his female characters wanted to become like some other male character. The only character who was biased, like in Naruto manga, in One Piece was Yamato. Shitty character that almost everyone dislikes. But then again whole of Wano was written with an agenda to make fun of the ninja(Kishimoto) theme. Hinata decided to be like Naruto. Neji decided to be like Naruto. Sakura wanted to become Naruto. Tsunade was inspired by Naruto. This is sooo dumb.
Imagine Boa, who decided to become Luffy
But you do not remember. Either that, or you're an anime only. You've made multiple comments on the hitting stuff that's factually proven to be incorrect. And then you called me biased for correcting you with literal panel-count of how often it happened and to what intensity (very moderate/minimal. Anime Sakura beat him like crazy. Manga Sakura just bumped his head 95% of times)
You also back someone who can't even fucking remember if Sakura drugged Kiba or Naruto
It'd be pointless to enter any discussion with people who barely remember the Manga, have a set-in stone opinion about something they don't even remember, then call you biased for disagreeing and providing actual facts.
Sakura was never trying to "become" Naruto/Sasuke. Nor is there anything wrong with wanting to become someone who can help and save those who help and save her. Hell, if Boa was weak and useless and got saved by Luffy many times and wanted to become strong enough to protect and save Luffy as well, I'd consider that admirable. I don't know why anyone wouldn't. But, again, no point arguing.
You also back someone who can't even fucking remember if Sakura drugged Kiba or Naruto
It'd be pointless to enter any discussion with people who barely remember the Manga, have a set-in stone opinion about something they don't even remember, then call you biased for disagreeing and providing actual facts.
Sakura was never trying to "become" Naruto/Sasuke. Nor is there anything wrong with wanting to become someone who can help and save those who help and save her. Hell, if Boa was weak and useless and got saved by Luffy many times and wanted to become strong enough to protect and save Luffy as well, I'd consider that admirable. I don't know why anyone wouldn't. But, again, no point arguing.
@Konstantis btw what deep, meaningful backstory do you use to excuse the gag of Sanji acting like a pedophile borderline sexual predator (and if you disagree, go around the street shoving your face into butts of women you do not know. Let's see what you're called. And that's one of the tamer things he does) instead of just accepting Oda writes shitty repetitive gags for no reason other than "LULZ FUNNY"? And that's what Nami/Sakura hitting MC is too.
It is not wrong to desire to become someone, but it is wrong when the whole cast has this desire LOL
Also, Sakura's rude behavior is the most obvious thing that no one usually. But since you are biased, I pointed out many other reasons. Also, Sakura failed achivieng her goals. You were basically reading manga about a loser. While Nami succeeded in everything that she wanted.
Also, Sakura's rude behavior is the most obvious thing that no one usually. But since you are biased, I pointed out many other reasons. Also, Sakura failed achivieng her goals. You were basically reading manga about a loser. While Nami succeeded in everything that she wanted.
No one had that desire
Wanting to become strong enough to protect/save someone who has protected/saved you =/= wanting to become them
When she says "I want to become like you", she literally means "I want to become someone who can help people I care about":
Because Lee and Naruto and Sasuke are strong and protect her and save her. She's weak and useless and can't protect and save them.
Disagree. She wanted to become someone who isn't useless and can actually save and protect her friends too. Who can save Naruto/Sasuke instead of just being saved by them. And she became exactly that.
Naruto only lived during war because of her. He'd have died otherwise.
Sasuke was saved from dimension Kaguya threw him in only because of her supplying Obito. He'd have died otherwise.
She contributed in Kaguya's sealing as well, they'd not be able to do it if she didn't punch her down.
Even during the most important and climactic fight of the series, Sakura was extremely useful and saved lives of both MCs, which is exactly what she always wanted to do:
Look, again, I don't think she's a well-written character. She has 12312321 writing issues. But you're misrepresenting her over flaws/issues that don't even exist. And then you're just spam insulting me for calling that out
Idk man.
Wanting to become strong enough to protect/save someone who has protected/saved you =/= wanting to become them
When she says "I want to become like you", she literally means "I want to become someone who can help people I care about":
Because Lee and Naruto and Sasuke are strong and protect her and save her. She's weak and useless and can't protect and save them.
Disagree. She wanted to become someone who isn't useless and can actually save and protect her friends too. Who can save Naruto/Sasuke instead of just being saved by them. And she became exactly that.
Naruto only lived during war because of her. He'd have died otherwise.
Sasuke was saved from dimension Kaguya threw him in only because of her supplying Obito. He'd have died otherwise.
She contributed in Kaguya's sealing as well, they'd not be able to do it if she didn't punch her down.
Even during the most important and climactic fight of the series, Sakura was extremely useful and saved lives of both MCs, which is exactly what she always wanted to do:
Look, again, I don't think she's a well-written character. She has 12312321 writing issues. But you're misrepresenting her over flaws/issues that don't even exist. And then you're just spam insulting me for calling that out
Idk man.
Huh?
Sakura's dream: become someone strong and useful enough to save lives of her teammates like how they save hers
>Sakura saves lives of both Naruto and Sasuke multiple times in final arc and contributes in defeating final enemy
It's not an excuse. That's showing her dream came true.
Bruh lol...
Eh. IMO OP's world-building >>>>>> Naruto's. I liked pre-skip Luffy more than Naruto. Although I do think for general writing/characters, Naruto >>>>>>> One Piece
That's my opinion and I've given my reason. No need to insult me and call me biased for that.
You didn't respond either, so I take it as you accept my point about gag.
Sakura's dream: become someone strong and useful enough to save lives of her teammates like how they save hers
>Sakura saves lives of both Naruto and Sasuke multiple times in final arc and contributes in defeating final enemy
It's not an excuse. That's showing her dream came true.
Bruh lol...
Eh. IMO OP's world-building >>>>>> Naruto's. I liked pre-skip Luffy more than Naruto. Although I do think for general writing/characters, Naruto >>>>>>> One Piece
That's my opinion and I've given my reason. No need to insult me and call me biased for that.
You didn't respond either, so I take it as you accept my point about gag.
It didn't
She was useless in battle. And her healing skills wasn't better than Tsunade for example.
She was useless in battle. And her healing skills wasn't better than Tsunade for example.
Literally the ambition.
She never wanted to be equal to Naruto or Sasuke in combat. She just wanted to be someone they can rely on, and someone who is caught up enough to be of use to them and save their lives and protect them too.