Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Paraguay gives tax exemption to digital nomads and pretty much anyone who has their income source from outside of Paraguay. This is not tax evasion; the proper term is tributary planning( or tax avoidance).
If you pay for a service and don't receive anything in return, you were scammed. There is nothing inherently wrong about migrating to pay less taxes, especially if you live in a high-tax nation with shit-tier public services.

Taxes are perhaps meaningless to you, but they serve the community. Going someplace else to play less tax, is basically saying "I want the benefit of my society without the drawbacks and without givin something in return if I can".

That's unethical. But looking at your vision of the world, don't worry, I know ethics are not something you understand. I'm not expecting anything from ya

@Logiko, people are just looking for better standards of living.

Then become a leftist and fight to make the world a better place.

If you don't do that and don't try to understand how the world work and how to make it better based on its material reality, all you will do is ruin the place while expecting treats from society.

You are part of a material and social whole. If you expect to find happyness by removing yourself from it, you will only find desillusion.

 

[Midnight Delight]

If I may just take your breathe away

 

[NAMELESS]

Taxes are perhaps meaningless to you, but they serve the community. Going someplace else to play less tax, is basically saying "I want the benefit of my society without the drawbacks and without givin something in return if I can".

That's unethical. But looking at your vision of the world, don't worry, I know ethics are not something you understand. I'm not expecting anything from ya


Then become a leftist and fight to make the world a better place.

If you don't do that and don't try to understand how the world work and how to make it better based on its material reality, all you will do is ruin the place while expecting treats from society.

You are part of a material and social whole. If you expect to find happyness by removing yourself from it, you will only find desillusion.

Spare me your preaching, unemployed hypocritical vermin. I don't need to hear that from some guy who leeches off the welfare system of his homeland. There are barely any public services in Paraguay. Nobody is migrating there for such services. Education in Brazil is one of the worst in the world. The healthcare system sucks. We are the number 1 country in homicide by firearms(illegal firearms that is) in the world. Our judiciary is completely rotten. Judges consistently release dangerous killers back into society. The roads and infrastructure are mostly shit. The Brazilian State is a scam. It has failed all their promises, and yet, it's one of the most expensive public machines in the world. Any lucid and sane person can see this reality; only morons, the mentally ill, and the morally bankrupt would deny the current State of Brazilian public administration. The moral thing to do about a system that doesn't represent one's values is not to finance it. "Become a leftist". I would rather become an eunuch before that, fuck off. You and your other fanatical friends can keep whining about Capitalism and Conservatism. I got shit to do. Bye.

 

[Logiko]

unemployed hypocritical vermin

This gives us everything we need to know about your ethics.

I don't need to hear that from some guy who leeches off the welfare system of his homeland.

This too

(you see what I meant guys when I talked about the link between ableism and capitalism but also productivism ?

This is a blatant case of eugenism linked to productivistic ideology)

Education in Brazil is one of the worst in the world. The healthcare system sucks. We are the number 1 country in homicide by firearms(illegal firearms that is) in the world. Our judiciary is completely rotten. Judges consistently release dangerous killers back into society. The roads and infrastructure are mostly shit. The Brazilian State is a scam. It has failed all their promises, and yet, it's one of the most expensive public machines in the world. Any lucid and sane person can see this reality; only morons, the mentally ill, and the morally bankrupt would deny the current State of Brazilian public administration.

Your country was ruled by far rightist until not so long agoand it's still ruled by massive corruption linked to capitalism.

Craft yourself a political awareness rocket and go check for me on planet ignorance, see if I'm there.

 

[NAMELESS]

This gives us everything we need to know about your ethics.



This too

(you see what I meant guys when I talked about the link between ableism and capitalism but also productivism ?

This is a blatant case of eugenism linked to productivistic ideology)


Your country was ruled by far rightist until not so long agoand it's still ruled by massive corruption linked to capitalism.

Craft yourself a political awareness rocket and go check for me on planet ignorance, see if I'm there.

 

[AverageBuggyEnjoyer]

Zoro vs Sanji's got nothing on Nameless vs Logiko

 

[Logiko]

self owned

Zoro vs Sanji's got nothing on Nameless vs Logiko

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Zoro vs Sanji's got nothing on Nameless vs Logiko

One’s a complete dunce with terrible opinions who constantly gets dunked on and spends days on end trying to convince us they aren’t mad and thoroughly pathetic…and the other is Logiko

 

[Logiko]

He is mentally unhinged and starved of affection irl.

True, but it doesn't make me wrong tho

(damn, I'm sad this emote was created now)

 

[NAMELESS]

True, but it doesn't make me wrong tho

(damn, I'm sad this emote was created now)

Buy a dog, they are the most loyal creatures.

 

[Logiko]

Buy a dog, they are the most loyal creatures.

A dog wouldn't be happy with me at the moment. Perhaps a cat in a few years. We will see.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Don't care enough about this community to be worried about bans. The only fun to be had here is calling out on the hypocrisy of these miserable bastards and making them even more miserable. Too bad the moderation is thread-banning and perma-banning people over BS. This forum is slowly dying out. Maybe it's for the best; this thread rarely has any new debate going on. The op forum is absolutely boring and ridiculous. It's always the same clowns bitching about these same topics and people. " Zoro this." "Sanji that". I kinda sympathize with Logiko. He is mentally unhinged and starved of affection irl. The rest are just hateful morons distilling their misery online and blaming their bad finances on Trump, Conservatives, Capitalism, and whatever the voices in their heads are telling them to hate. Some of these bitches don't even quote me directly anymore. I miss Toby, Lolis and Eamon. At least those guys were man enough to insult me directly; this bitch is so pathetic that he is afraid of quoting me while hiding from the safety of his couch and keyboard. How much of a faggot you gotta be to be afraid to insult people while anonymous. Fuck Alsama, Uncle Van, Natalija, or whoever banned those guys. It's no fun in here anymore

Off topic: Bro, that pfp of yours is kinda morbid.

What do you want me to say, tough guy?? All of your beliefs are wrong and everyone here has spent plenty of time making fun of you, do I really need to pretend like your opinions have any weight or deserve respect at this point?? You’ve posted over seven thousand times in this thread! SEVEN THOUSAND TIMES!! And you wanna act like you’re NOT screaming into the void the entire time?? Jesus, do you ever get tired of whining??

 

[Logiko]

What do you want me to say, tough guy?? All of your beliefs are wrong and everyone here has spent plenty of time making fun of you, do I really need to pretend like your opinions have any weight or deserve respect at this point?? You’ve posted over seven thousand times in this thread! SEVEN THOUSAND TIMES!! And you wanna act like you’re NOT screaming into the void the entire time?? Jesus, do you ever get tired of whining??

lol i'm first

 

[Luffy is the mc]

If you prefer, the production is the value of what you produce through your work. So it's englobs more than just what factories in other countries are doing. When you go to work, you produce.. it's the power behind that production that we need to give to the worker. For exemple, someone working in a store will "produce" work. Even when they don't produce a material item. Their work will have a value for the chain of distribution. So the "production" and the added value produced by the worker is everywhere, not just in other country.

I know all that although you have to make a distinction between what type of production is made between a factory, a restaurant or a barber shop.
Will there still be money in your socialist society ?

 

[Logiko]

I know all that although you have to make a distinction between what type of production is made between a factory, a restaurant or a barber shop.
Will there still be money in your socialist society ?

Money will still exist, but it will become less and less necessary

Factory, restaurant, barber shop. People are all creating value, said value is what the production is made of. Socialism is simply the idea that workers should be collectively deciding how they should work.

Right now, people are exploited.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Money will still exist, but it will become less and less necessary

Factory, restaurant, barber shop. People are all creating value, said value is what the production is made of. Socialism is simply the idea that workers should be collectively deciding how they should work.

Right now, people are exploited.

What is money? How do you calculate the value of a production that isn't material?

How do you transition from a capitalist society to a socialist one? How do people decide collectively how they should work?

You want to get rid of traders (they should indeed disappear), lawyers, cops, etc, but what about people who want to do these jobs? We collectively going to decide they should work in another field? What if they resist?

 

[Jew D. Boy]

lol i'm first

You both have spent way too much time here, but everything he says is rooted in comical levels of ignorance and bigotry, it’s astonishing that he thinks he’s on higher moral ground with his bullshit

 

[Logiko]

You both have spent way too much time here, but everything he says is rooted in comical levels of ignorance and bigotry, it’s astonishing that he thinks he’s on higher moral ground with his bullshit

Plot twist : I have only been speaking just to keep the first place all this time. I actually don't believe in anything I've ever said.

What is money? How do you calculate the value of a production that isn't material?

Well, that's a collective work to do. Not one person holding the leach while dominating the workers.

How do you transition from a capitalist society to a socialist one? How do people decide collectively how they should work?

A revolution. Can be peacefull or it can be bloody.

Peacefull would be a revolution from the ground up. People organizing themselve so well that it creates a movement of appeal and pushes the entirerity of society toward a revolutionnary change.

Bloody would be what could happen in the next two decades if the elites and the ruling class keep doing what they are doing right now. A revolution from everyside and a transition from the top, probably or if we are lucky, collectively, but this would be very lucky.

People are not politicized enough for that.

You want to get rid of traders (they should indeed disappear), lawyers, cops, etc, but what about people who want to do these jobs?

Why would people do jobs that are not necessary?

It's mprotant to understand that I'm talking mainly about an advanced stage of socialism, in reality, these jobs won't disappear in one day.. transitions after transition, social norms after social politicization, they won't be as necessary and you will see less and less.

In a world without domination, there will be very little crimes for exemples. And crimes won't be treated like they are today, prison will probably disappear over time, justice system also to be replaced by rehabilitation and reparation centers (probably).

A very important concept to understand socialism is the notion of material condition. Your material environment (social, financial, physical etc.) will influence people and thoughts, but also educations. And generation after generation, the human specie will become more align with a real social ecosystem instead of a competitive one.

What if they resist?

If people resist, there won't be a revolution or it will be bloody and perhaps too fragile.

"I'm not free until everyone is free"

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Can be peacefull or it can be bloody.

So what's the difference between fascism and socialism if violence can be used against opponents besides their ideologies?

In a world without domination

How do you create that? Socialism doesn't lead to no domination.

Why would people do jobs that are not necessary?

Who's going to decide what job is necessary or not?

A very important concept to understand socialism is the notion of material condition. Your material environment (social, financial, physical etc.) will influence people and thoughts, but also educations.

I think you've said that enough times, and I don't think it was a something unheard of before you said it.

Keep in mind that I'm against capitalist societies as it is now but what you propose is nothing more than an authoritarian regime with false equality.

And you seem to think that resorting to violence is an easy thing with no consequence and that will be turned only against the ruling classes. Which bothers me a little. Will you go down the streets cutting throats of every opponent as well or are you expecting people to do it for you for example?

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Hey @WORTHLESS You want me to tag you directly? Here’s a Brazilian dude covered in glass and he STILL isn’t as fragile/easily shattered as your ego, you useless mewling fetus