Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love

[Doggo]

On one aspect, the SHs are usually the ones who start fights on the backfoot, then get a PU to win.

It would be interesting for the it to change a bit.
They start stronger, then the enemy gets the PU.

 

[RayanOO]

bro ripped him in 3 pieces,

Bro and friends

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Emperor level, I guess. It's the end game, power levels will go brrr

Hmmn...intersting, so far average estimation is Yonko Level ^^
Personally I think that's underselling it a bit given what Imu is capable of with regards to the calibre of subordinate he's able to create.
For one we saw two Yonko level characters in Roger and Garp literally exhaust all they had to defeat DR Xebec, a pun that Imu was able to create on a whim. There's also the fact that Imu is able to use Omen to boost the level of his subordinates so chances are that the Gorosei could be buffed up futher during the final war so I do wonder if Yonko level will be enough for Zoro and Sanji to combat whatever it is that Imu can throw at them.

I think there's a very strong likelihood that Zoro and Sanji will be presented with the CoC barrier obstalce that Gaban, Roger and Garp struggled with in their respective fights against HK Harald and DR Xebec.

 

[RayanOO]

Hmmn...intersting, so far average estimation is Yonko Level ^^
Personally I think that's underselling it a bit given what Imu is capable of with regards to the calibre of subordinate he's able to create.
For one we saw two Yonko level characters in Roger and Garp literally exhaust all they had to defeat DR Xebec, a pun that Imu was able to create on a whim. There's also the fact that Imu is able to use Omen to boost the level of his subordinates so chances are that the Gorosei could be buffed up futher during the final war so I do wonder if Yonko level will be enough for Zoro and Sanji to combat whatever it is that Imu can throw at them.

I think there's a very strong likelihood that Zoro and Sanji will be presented with the CoC barrier obstalce that Gaban, Roger and Garp struggled with in their respective fights against HK Harald and DR Xebec.

I hate power inflation

but yeah I can see a world where Sanji and Zoro end up better than the average Yonko and more like Rogerbeard level or even stronger

my estimation is that they will bare minimum be around strong Yonko like Kaido

but they can def reach higher (I don’t really want it)

 

[PuckTheGreat]

I hate power inflation

but yeah I can see a world where Sanji and Zoro end up better than the average Yonko and more like Rogerbeard level or even stronger

my estimation is that they will bare minimum be around strong Yonko like Kaido

but they can def reach higher (I don’t really want it)

I think we are already way past that point with Loki's introduction lol
Wasn't convinced at first due to how shameless and inconsistent Oda is with PLs but given his performance against Imu in base no less, it's hard to deny just how powerful Loki is.

Kinda mad how Oda just made PK Roger insignificant in the grand scheme of tings PL wise but guess that's unavoidable now that we are in the realm of god tiers and demi god tiers

 

[Raiden7]

I think we are already way past that point with Loki's introduction lol
Wasn't convinced at first due to how shameless and inconsistent Oda is with PLs but given his performance against Imu in base no less, it's hard to deny just how powerful Loki is.

Kinda mad how Oda just made PK Roger insignificant in the grand scheme of tings PL wise but guess that's unavoidable now that we are in the realm of god tiers and demi god tiers

Yes but, personally I think we haven't seen everything from Roger, I refuse to believe Oda will not show something big from him in the future (probably there will be space for Rayleigh and Gyaban too).

 

[RayanOO]

think we are already way past that point with Loki's introduction lol

Over my dead body

 

[Jackteo]

So Yonko/Admiral level ish is your estimate?
I hear you on the Mihawk ting but personally I'd argue that Zoro's ceiling or rather floor is Ryuma and not Mihawk so he's not really bound to Mihawk's level kinda like how Luffy is not bound to Roger.

Also I wouldn't really sleep on Shanks tbh. His gas is incomparable to the rest of the Yonko particulary his Haki gas. Moroever he said to have defeated Loki which is looking a bit mad atm but then again it's Oda's golden boy Shanks.

On your Yonko/Admiral level estimate though, where would you rank Ray and Gaban then? If Zoro and Sanji are going to be in and around Yonko/Admiral level? Coz I'd argue Zoro and Sanji are going to be significantly stronger than those two EoS.

Gaban and Rayleigh are significantly weaker than Kaido and Big Mom imo. I don't think they can stall them much longer than Yamato did on Onigashima

Loki is overrated, I doubt he is stronger than Luffy or Kaido

 

[Doggo]

Gaban and Rayleigh are significantly weaker than Kaido and Big Mom imo. I don't think they can stall them much longer than Yamato did on Onigashima

Loki is overrated, I doubt he is stronger than Luffy or Kaido

Calm down, son.
Yamato ain't prime rayleigh nor prime gaban lvl

 

[Royal Kick]

On this discussion of who the wings fight or whether they are adequte or not, personally I'm looking at it from the perspective of what I think the narrative is demanding from them which is to become pillars strong enough to be able to support Luffy in the war he's going to be waging against the world but it seems that the standard which I personally think is required for them to be at is different from some of my other Sanji bros, so the question I'd like to pose to y'all is "what standard do you think the wings need to be at to be able to fulfil their narrative role as Luffy's main support pillars"?

Right now to me personally I think Yonko level is their current floor and each will have to be strong enough to be able to combat something on a level as freaky as DR Xebec 1 v 1 (i.e. this is from the persepetive that they need to be able to beat whatever level of subordinate Imu is able to dish out keep in mind that in addtion to being able to domi reversi a monster like Xebec, Imu is also able to amp up his suborindates with maki meaning that the Gorosei can potentially get amps as well)

Where are y'all at with this?

Prime Rayleigh and Gaban were Yonko+ level, stronger than the likes of BM and Kaido. Zoro and Sanji will be even stronger than that, so at the very least comparable to Garp/WB/Roger.

 

[Rumble]

Gaban and Rayleigh are significantly weaker than Kaido and Big Mom imo.

I just got back.

You get one warning.

 

[MegaSpider]

Please Oda, bring 2 Gorosei to fight Zoro and Sanji

Sanji was sitting on Killingham's body, bro ripped him in 3 pieces, there is no way blud is going to be challenged by this guy out of sudden

Yeah, Sanji kicked Killinghams superior centaurs face in last arc.
I doubt Omen Killingham > Nasjuro.

So what even can Omen Killingham do? Guy already showed he has no COO and couldn't react to Sanji.

 

[RayanOO]

Yeah, Sanji kicked Killinghams superior centaurs face in last arc.
I doubt Omen Killingham > Nasjuro.

So what even can Omen Killingham do? Guy already showed he has no COO and couldn't react to Sanji.

Stronger MMA ? Which will target Sanji nightmares etc
Stronger himself ?
He also has some hax sleeping beam
and his immortality is still there

 

[MegaSpider]

Stronger MMA ? Which will target Sanji nightmares etc
Stronger himself ?
He also has some hax sleeping beam
and his immortality is still there

Literally none of that mattered in round 1. Guy was beaten in an instant. Even Franky and Jimbe 1shot his MMA.

 

[RayanOO]

Literally none of that mattered in round 1. Guy was beaten in an instant. Even Franky and Jimbe 1shot his MMA.

He was too cooky during round 1

Sanji never had to fight a swarm or MMA

and as I said those MMA were only child nightmares

what would happen if those MMA were adults nightmares

really différent, even the giants were gland the MMA were only children angst and nothing more

and the man himself can be dangerous too even more if juiced up my Imu omen

 

[MegaSpider]

He was too cooky during round 1

Sanji never had to fight a swarm or MMA

and as I said those MMA were only child nightmares

what would happen if those MMA were adults nightmares

really différent, even the giants were gland the MMA were only children angst and nothing more

and the man himself can be dangerous too even more if juiced up my Imu omen

He wasn't cocky, he just couldn't even react.

Also, I really don't want to sit through Killinghams nightmares, or Sommers kidnapping kids with thorns again. We just spent like 30 chapters on that stuff and it got resolved 5 chapters ago.

 

[Rumble]

MMA were only child nightmares

I reckon those are the strongest ones.

Sanji's scary ass is afraid of insects.

The runts are dreaming up mythological threats like Draugr, Nika and Nidhöggr.

 

[Jackteo]

He was too cooky during round 1

Sanji never had to fight a swarm or MMA

and as I said those MMA were only child nightmares

what would happen if those MMA were adults nightmares

really différent, even the giants were gland the MMA were only children angst and nothing more

and the man himself can be dangerous too even more if juiced up my Imu omen

Also, Sanji is unconscious. Killingham can access his nightmares right now

 

[Raiden7]

Also, Sanji is unconscious. Killingham can access his nightmares right now

Stealth Black MMA

 

[Jackteo]

Stealth Black MMA

The best solution is making the ability to turn into his opponent nightmare Killingham's ultimate technique. Stealth Black + Omen + Killingham's own abilities in a single body would be quite troublesome. The only issue I have with this is that we already got a Stealth Black copycat 100 chapters ago (Queen). I must say I prefer Omen Sommers vs Sanji with a simpler, but effective, twisted love vs true love theme.

Evil Sanji vs Zoro is also a possibility