General & Others In the eyes of the fandom, is it possible for Luffy to get any type of W against Imu?
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I dislike that Oda did that. Gear 5 is supposed to be his peak meanwhile it’s feeling like Ichigo always needing to go Bankai to fight opponents. If he’s going to be nerfed with a time limit you might as well make him absurdly overwhelming and as we all know the fight was pretty even and that’s with Kizarus heart not really being in it.
I completely agree. G5 should have overwhelmed Kizaru. He made them look like they were nearly even. There's no point to the strict timelimit if you're not gonna be clearly and significantly stronger than your opponent. Especially because he looked like such a fodder against Kizaru outside of it. Atleast against Kaidou, Luffy was a high+ diff fight outside of G5.
Egghead was so awful for Luffy it made his fans vanish from WG and yonko fans disavow him by putting BM above his post-Wano self. The fact his defenders even have to make up headcanons about Luffy holding back when Kizaru was the only one in the arc with actual story evidences indicating his heart wasn't fully in the battle is telling enough.
He could solo Imu in the next 10 chapters and it wouldn't make it any better
He could solo Imu in the next 10 chapters and it wouldn't make it any better
Not yet vanished, but of course many seem less interested because of the cartoonish fights. The sharp, well-choreographed brawling we used to enjoy aren’t really there anymore. Luffy still performed impressively against Kizaru, as it was clearly a challenge for him to land a hit on the fastest man alive, Light himself. Once he gets better control over Gear 5 and overcomes the stamina drawbacks, he’ll reach god-tier status and easily be the strongest, the true king of the world.
Honestly I'm more bothered by his performance against Warcury where it seems he couldn't even get past his durability where Emeth knocked the guy tusk away in one punch. We could start discussing about how much Luffy was trying and speculate about haki, but fact is he went G5 and still was hurting himself trying to hit Pumba.
Depends honestly.
Luffy tends to be overrated by some, he's a mainstream favourite and the MC so obviously some will praise anything he does.
But I know at least on the powerscaling side there are many who downplay him instead of upscaling his opponents.
A lot of this comes down to people wanking the "Yonko level" to godlike levels, either it results in Luffy being overrated ("he's a Yonko now!") or conversely downplayed ("he needed help to fight Yonko two arcs ago before he got G5, he's not Yonko level yet!").
Tbh that only works if you assume Kiz was supposed to be done during/after EH.
I get the feeling he's far from finished given how much focus he got that arc.
Plus it looked to me as if he and Luffy were primarily fighting CQC. Only the clones and laser eyes were used by Kizaru along with a few lasers.
As for Luffy, I don't care for the narrative that he held back. But it must be noted that he didn't go for large scale moves either.
And for Kaido, wasn't he mostly playing around until G5? It's been a while since I read it but iirc he slayed G4 once he got serious, albeit with Guernica's assist.
Luffy tends to be overrated by some, he's a mainstream favourite and the MC so obviously some will praise anything he does.
But I know at least on the powerscaling side there are many who downplay him instead of upscaling his opponents.
A lot of this comes down to people wanking the "Yonko level" to godlike levels, either it results in Luffy being overrated ("he's a Yonko now!") or conversely downplayed ("he needed help to fight Yonko two arcs ago before he got G5, he's not Yonko level yet!").
Tbh that only works if you assume Kiz was supposed to be done during/after EH.
I get the feeling he's far from finished given how much focus he got that arc.
Plus it looked to me as if he and Luffy were primarily fighting CQC. Only the clones and laser eyes were used by Kizaru along with a few lasers.
As for Luffy, I don't care for the narrative that he held back. But it must be noted that he didn't go for large scale moves either.
And for Kaido, wasn't he mostly playing around until G5? It's been a while since I read it but iirc he slayed G4 once he got serious, albeit with Guernica's assist.
Luffy's Nika mode is what needs to be so strong it can solo Roger + Whitebeard combined, cause that's the level we are dealing with now.
Stalemating a half assing Kizaru is not appropriate for a mode that is supposed to be his peak and comes with a strict timelimit.
Nah he was deadly serious, he even powered up for Luffy only to continue to be met with equal force.
Kaidou also acknowledged Luffy like he did Oden. He would officially make that list he thought of at the start of the fight. Both narratively and featwise he saw Luffy as a peer by this point (before G5).
Stalemating a half assing Kizaru is not appropriate for a mode that is supposed to be his peak and comes with a strict timelimit.
Nah he was deadly serious, he even powered up for Luffy only to continue to be met with equal force.
Kaidou also acknowledged Luffy like he did Oden. He would officially make that list he thought of at the start of the fight. Both narratively and featwise he saw Luffy as a peer by this point (before G5).
He already has every advanced form of haki, the point is Nika awakening was supposed to be an entry to god tier, he's supposed to be a god.
How is he invincible if the mode lasts like 5 mins? Even if he is clearly stronger it's too short of a duration to decide a top tier battle by itself, Luffy would have to work the opponent in his other forms. Which against Kaidou was not a problem at all.
Kizaru...well we can just make an exception for him atm, anything less than G5 cannot compete with him due to speed or w.e.
I would have FS be the counter to Kizaru's speed. And with Snakeman, Luffy keeps Kizaru in check.
Basically G4 with FS should be competitive with Kizaru. Idk why Oda made Kizaru so out of reach, but I guess he never plans on having Kizaru defeated or even go all out.
How is he invincible if the mode lasts like 5 mins? Even if he is clearly stronger it's too short of a duration to decide a top tier battle by itself, Luffy would have to work the opponent in his other forms. Which against Kaidou was not a problem at all.
Kizaru...well we can just make an exception for him atm, anything less than G5 cannot compete with him due to speed or w.e.
Although I'm surprised that you're so against the idea of Kizaru being equal/superior to Luffy.
How would you have written it?
How would you have written it?
Basically G4 with FS should be competitive with Kizaru. Idk why Oda made Kizaru so out of reach, but I guess he never plans on having Kizaru defeated or even go all out.
Hmm.
Kinda sounds like Nika should have achieved later in the story then. Like in Elbaph against Imu.
At the same time, making it invincible in those 5 minutes is a bit much.
I feel like your suggestion would work way better if G5 was never a thing in Wano and just got activated in Elbaph when the god stuff gets introduced full flow.
Make it look like the OG Joyboy, you know, jet black and as a permanent power up instead of 5 mins.
Hmm
I guess I'm repeating myself but all this sounds great if you went with the route of having souped up Luffy being as top tier and Nika as a God.
Also I'm surprised that you want Kizaru taken out of the game that fast. Or do you plan on buffing him with logia awakening later? And how would you write his character arc?
Kinda sounds like Nika should have achieved later in the story then. Like in Elbaph against Imu.
At the same time, making it invincible in those 5 minutes is a bit much.
I feel like your suggestion would work way better if G5 was never a thing in Wano and just got activated in Elbaph when the god stuff gets introduced full flow.
Make it look like the OG Joyboy, you know, jet black and as a permanent power up instead of 5 mins.
Hmm
I guess I'm repeating myself but all this sounds great if you went with the route of having souped up Luffy being as top tier and Nika as a God.
Also I'm surprised that you want Kizaru taken out of the game that fast. Or do you plan on buffing him with logia awakening later? And how would you write his character arc?
A competent writer would have Luffy show a similar performance to Loki's - land 1 or 2 hits that have barely no effect/are deflected, but ultimately get completely dominated.
Reality: Loda will just make Luffy eat 50 tons of meat (apparently, food is just instant healing now) and overpower the 800+ year old God entity with his 2 years of training and barely knowing what his DF does or having complete mastery over the advanced Haki forms.
Reality: Loda will just make Luffy eat 50 tons of meat (apparently, food is just instant healing now) and overpower the 800+ year old God entity with his 2 years of training and barely knowing what his DF does or having complete mastery over the advanced Haki forms.
Lmao imo Kizaru is not going to get a serious on screen fight, so sure even if he's stronger than I predicted it won't amount to much.
Only Akainu is gonna get main antagonist lvl exposure. We can scale Kizaru around that.
Also Kizaru is still a cartoon character, idrc if he's so strong that FS + Snakeman was fodder to him, for me FS is useless if someone as fast as Luffy even with the ability to see the future cannot even keep up with Kizaru. That's like FS's entire purpose. I don't like useless abilities in the verse, I like things to be as technical as possible.
Only Akainu is gonna get main antagonist lvl exposure. We can scale Kizaru around that.
Also Kizaru is still a cartoon character, idrc if he's so strong that FS + Snakeman was fodder to him, for me FS is useless if someone as fast as Luffy even with the ability to see the future cannot even keep up with Kizaru. That's like FS's entire purpose. I don't like useless abilities in the verse, I like things to be as technical as possible.