Chapter Discussion One Piece is still extremely Manichean

[Logiko]

You Sunday demagogues, you have a naive Christian view of the world. Before, Oda depicted the poor as wicked and petty, like in real life, but not anymore today one piece.

Are you sure you are reading One Piece here ?

 

[Higuma]

you do not know how it is to be born poor and to live in a poor country that was stolen from colonizers and that still lived the consequences from centuries of slavery.

One Piece ressonates with many people who lived in harsh conditions

That's not the point. The point is that Oda is losing what made his art so powerful by trying to portray everyone as beautiful and kind, except for the thugs and the rich villains and their Marine henchmen. The manga is becoming intellectually stupid. Before, there was nuance. Big Mom, for example, was evil and sadistic, a killer and a cannibal, but she was also, at the same time, a lonely, abandoned girl suffering from bulimia. The characters weren't all good or all bad. Doflamingo had been demoted and resented losing his paradise. Even Buggy the Clown was a failure with shady thug methods. The characters were human, therefore complex in their feelings. Today, the villain is Imu, the demonic devil who has always worked for evil in his life, and the Celestial Dragons like Super Sommers who love to torture, all to help the evil rich villains.

 

[Higuma]

Are you sure you are reading One Piece here ?

I read the One Piece from its golden age

 

[Juanpiz]

That's not the point. The point is that Oda is losing what made his art so powerful by trying to portray everyone as beautiful and kind, except for the thugs and the rich villains and their Marine henchmen. The manga is becoming intellectually stupid. Before, there was nuance. Big Mom, for example, was evil and sadistic, a killer and a cannibal, but she was also, at the same time, a lonely, abandoned girl suffering from bulimia. The characters weren't all good or all bad. Doflamingo had been demoted and resented losing his paradise. Even Buggy the Clown was a failure with shady thug methods. The characters were human, therefore complex in their feelings. Today, the villain is Imu, the demonic devil who has always worked for evil in his life, and the Celestial Dragons like Super Super Sommers who love to torture, all to help the evil, rich villains.

Dude Its Not that complicated good ppl Are good no matter to what Group they belong(Vivi,kuzan,smoker,corazon…)

 

[Higuma]

Dude Its Not that complicated good ppl Are good no matter to what Group they belong(Vivi,kuzan,smoker,corazon…)

This type of character, which used to be the norm, is becoming extinct

 

[Juanpiz]

This type of character, which used to be the norm, is becoming extinct

Then there rare Cases of Grey ones(Crocodile,Kidd..)

 

[Higuma]

Then there rare Cases of Grey ones(Crocodile,Kids..)

You know very well they'll all ally with Luffy in the end. Kuzan will be the first to do it, it's obvious from a mile away, and all the villains will side with Imu. The only character in this manga who remains interesting is Blackbeard.

 

[Higuma]

For example, today Oda would be incapable of rewriting Skypea, the territorial battle between, on one side, the angry natives with brutal methods and, on the other, the kind and welcoming god Gan Forr, and in the middle, Ener who manipulates everyone.

 

[Logiko]

I read the One Piece from its golden age

We are in the golden age, so...

 

[Logiko]

For example, today Oda would be incapable of rewriting Skypea, the territorial battle between, on one side, the angry natives with brutal methods and, on the other, the kind and welcoming god Gan Forr, and in the middle, Ener who manipulates everyone.

Lmao "angry native" "brutal method"
This forum is cooked.

 

[Higuma]

Lmao "angry native" "brutal method"
This forum is cooked.

You're too stupid to understand my criticism

 

[Logiko]

You're too stupid to understand my criticism

Actually... lmao

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

For example, today Oda would be incapable of rewriting Skypea, the territorial battle between, on one side, the angry natives with brutal methods and, on the other, the kind and welcoming god Gan Forr, and in the middle, Ener who manipulates everyone.

Oh, you mean the arc where after Enel was defeated, the Skypieans and Shandorans instantly put aside their hatred and lived in peace with no more issues?

 

[Logiko]

Oh, you mean the arc where after Enel was defeated, the Skypieans and Shandorans instantly put aside their hatred and lived in peace with no more issues?

Peace is not hard to make when the material necessities of all are met within the realm of ethics.

 

[Higuma]

Oh, you mean the arc where after Enel was defeated, the Skypieans and Shandorans instantly put aside their hatred and lived in peace with no more issues?

but it remains a children's story

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

Peace is not hard to make when the material necessities of all are met within the realm of ethics.

The joke was this guy saying how Oda can't cover the supposed depth and complexity of this arc anymore, where even a bitter and hateful man like Wyper instantly became cool with the Skypieans.

 

[Blax Blah]

One Piece is odacean

 

[The Shaman King]

You don't understand. In French, the word "manichéen" means thinking that there are good guys on one side and bad guys on the other, being morally binary, believing that there is evil on one side and good on the other. In Oda's work, this translates to the poor slum dwellers being kind and generous, and the villains being indecently rich. It's stupid and idiotic.

I think you just described 95% of shonen manga

Like I think with a few very notable expectations the bad guys of shonen manga are pure irredeemable evil (except when they do the redeemed villain trouble at least have one member who gets a redemption arc and gets to joing the good guys despite having commited countless atrocities and probably should have been executed )and the good guys are well the good guys

Thats a shonen thing not an One Piece thing

 

[Blax Blah]

you do not know how it is to be born poor and to live in a poor country that was stolen from colonizers and that still lived the consequences from centuries of slavery.

One Piece ressonates with many people who lived in harsh conditions

For me Yamato and Loki's stories were extremely powerful, about abuse

 

[Higuma]

I think you just described 95% of shonen manga

Like I think with a few very notable expectations the bad guys of shonen manga are pure irredeemable evil (except when they do the redeemed villain trouble at least have one member who gets a redemption arc and gets to joing the good guys despite having commited countless atrocities and probably should have been executed )and the good guys are well the good guys

Thats a shonen thing not an One Piece thing

One Piece was different before