General & Others One Piece is by far one of the best pieces of literature yet
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Characters there die, many characters actually died, without beign ressurected. There was no bullshit like Cutted in half Kinemon, and story has a lot of mysteries and secrets. What's more important there are a lot of really cool battles and it's only 300 chapters long. Yes, final arc was cutted because of Jump, but overall that would just add few chapters above. From other hand we have 1200 chapters One Piece with really shitty writing.
Also, join D.Gray Man greatness, this manga have a lot of Bible references and many people on this forum read it. Unlike Rave Master, it's more about complex story, and power lvl there is not really important. It has a lot of mysteries and secrets, and I call D.Gray Man as master piece. But unlike Rave Master this story is still ongoing. SO if you want to read something easy - Rave Master should be your choice, but if you want something havy and crazy - D.Gray Man all the way.
It is unmatched in the scope of its story and love of the craft of drawing manga by Oda. When it ends it will be more prestigious and mythic in its ambition. And it does have a lot of moving moments emotionally in the story and payoff (and sometimes fumbles that too).
But not better than other important literature, no way. But in manga, comic, graphic novel terms, it does stand alone in what it does and that’s undeniable. Hater or not.
But not better than other important literature, no way. But in manga, comic, graphic novel terms, it does stand alone in what it does and that’s undeniable. Hater or not.
That's true, this why One Piece also has to be analyzed and compared to other pieces of literature within its production paradigm. But, and that's the incredible thing, while One Piece will lack the "finishing" touch, especially in term of prose orediting that will make the heart of others, this story will overcome this gap through its storytelling, thematics and characterization.
I once said that One Piece will be analyzed 200 years from now. I'm not kidding. There is a big chance that people will start to look back on this story to teach storytelling to young kid.
Why do I know that? Because that's what I've been doing to improve myself. To this day, 20 years later, I STILL find myself surprised at the writing. One Piece is just that crazy.
Whether we read it as kid, or an adult or as a learner or as a writer, it will give us very different impression and layers of complexity that are absolutely inexistant in other media, manga or pieces of litterature.
Fan letter is amazing and will even be better than most things will see today, but no. Fan letter is a visual piece of storytelling first. Narratively it's not incredible, it's quite basic to be honest.
You mean like the negativity and "critics" I see on this forum? Trust me, I know exactly what an uninformed and arbitrary take and critic looks like.
This is not it.
Everyone has different way of experiencing art. They are not exclusive.
And yet, you are still talking about it.
Are you really comparing Rave to One Piece ?
The necrophilia of people trying to analyze story is always amazing to me.
When will people understand that death are not what makes a story good ? It can create stakes, yes, but it's meaningless without a good writing on its side.
Good but that's only two stories
I once said that One Piece will be analyzed 200 years from now. I'm not kidding. There is a big chance that people will start to look back on this story to teach storytelling to young kid.
Why do I know that? Because that's what I've been doing to improve myself. To this day, 20 years later, I STILL find myself surprised at the writing. One Piece is just that crazy.
Whether we read it as kid, or an adult or as a learner or as a writer, it will give us very different impression and layers of complexity that are absolutely inexistant in other media, manga or pieces of litterature.
Fan letter is amazing and will even be better than most things will see today, but no. Fan letter is a visual piece of storytelling first. Narratively it's not incredible, it's quite basic to be honest.
You mean like the negativity and "critics" I see on this forum? Trust me, I know exactly what an uninformed and arbitrary take and critic looks like.
This is not it.
Everyone has different way of experiencing art. They are not exclusive.
And yet, you are still talking about it.
Are you really comparing Rave to One Piece ?
The necrophilia of people trying to analyze story is always amazing to me.
When will people understand that death are not what makes a story good ? It can create stakes, yes, but it's meaningless without a good writing on its side.
Good but that's only two stories
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Yes.
There's no chosen one stuff. Even with MC being chosen as the wielder of the Rave, he could be replaced. The only one chosen one was "Eve", but she is on both the good and evil side at the same time.
Which is more important, the story is really the story about adventure, not about dragging out events that are useless overall.
Fake drama was always considered awful. Shakespeare is obviously famous for drama and tragic stories. And there are a lot of deaths in One Piece, but that only happens in flashbacks.
There's no chosen one stuff. Even with MC being chosen as the wielder of the Rave, he could be replaced. The only one chosen one was "Eve", but she is on both the good and evil side at the same time.
Which is more important, the story is really the story about adventure, not about dragging out events that are useless overall.
Fake drama was always considered awful. Shakespeare is obviously famous for drama and tragic stories. And there are a lot of deaths in One Piece, but that only happens in flashbacks.
Ok, let me make you example, between One Piece and Rave Master:
Again, One Piece's decisions with villains are always felt cheap. Yes, in RM, some villains also became good guys, like Julia or Let, some became good guys, but died in the end. This makes the story interesting. While a dragged-out story, predictable outcomes, and characters that became just stupid for the sake of the plot, this ruins the story. One Piece will be forgotten when the story will end. And the reason for that can be just bad written final arc. One Piece turned into a marvel. And no one would even care to watch 1300 episodes for mid ending. Hunter x Hunter from other hand, will be remembered. The story of One Piece turned into self-creating emotions.
As for the Chosen One theme - Luffy is the Chosen One. You cannot be just born in a normal family and become strong. To be strong, you need to have big Daddy with big genes. It's the same as CD who said, why those people wasn't born rich? One Piece before Nika felt normal, but now it's just a story of a chosen one, who was carried not by their own dreams, but genes and inherited fruit.
When the first arc villain Shuda lost the fight, he cut his own arm just so he would not to be saved by MC, who was holding his hand. In the end, Shuda survived that and make own comeback much, much later in the story, but the whole moment was beautiful. What moment in One Piece could be compared to this FIRST arc villain's resolve in One Piece?
The second main arc villain died, for example. Without comeback.
The second main arc villain died, for example. Without comeback.
As for the Chosen One theme - Luffy is the Chosen One. You cannot be just born in a normal family and become strong. To be strong, you need to have big Daddy with big genes. It's the same as CD who said, why those people wasn't born rich? One Piece before Nika felt normal, but now it's just a story of a chosen one, who was carried not by their own dreams, but genes and inherited fruit.
Shakespeare fans will tell you that his stories are timeless.
That's a polite way of saying nobody has finished updating them since 1616.
Shakespeare's greatest strength is that every sentence requires a translator. If *One Piece* needed footnotes every three lines, people would call it bad writing. When Shakespeare does it, apparently it's genius.
Hamlet spends five acts deciding whether to do something.
Luffy decides to do something before breakfast.
Shakespeare's fans say his characters are complex. Of course they're complex. Half the time nobody knows what they're talking about.
A *One Piece* fan can explain the entire political structure of the World Government from memory.
A Shakespeare fan needs a study guide to order lunch.
People call Shakespeare the GOAT because he influenced literature.
You know who else influenced literature?
The invention of paper.
Shakespeare's biggest mystery is whether a character poisoned somebody.
Oda's biggest mystery has kept the internet in a state of collective insanity for decades.
Shakespeare wrote 38 plays.
Oda accidentally puts more foreshadowing into a background newspaper.
Shakespeare fans love saying "You just don't understand Shakespeare."
Correct.
Nobody understands Shakespeare.
That's why every edition comes with enough annotations to qualify as a second book.
Reading Shakespeare sometimes feels like trying to decrypt an ancient military transmission.
Reading *One Piece* feels like witnessing mythology being created in real time.
Romeo met Juliet and immediately ruined both of their lives.
Luffy meets people and liberates entire countries.
One inspires teenagers to make bad decisions.
The other inspires people to chase their dreams.
Shakespeare created tragic heroes.
Oda created characters so beloved that fans hold yearly debates over which fictional pirate would be best at paying taxes.
That's cultural impact.
Macbeth destroys his kingdom because of ambition.
Doflamingo destroys a kingdom because he's Doflamingo.
Checkmate.
Shakespeare fans celebrate famous quotes.
One Piece fans celebrate entire character arcs.
One group memorizes a sentence.
The other group memorizes a thousand chapters.
The average Shakespeare character has two settings:
1. Monologue.
2. Dead.
The average *One Piece* character has enough backstory to emotionally devastate an entire continent.
Shakespeare wrote for a stage.
Oda built a civilization.
Shakespeare fans act like he's untouchable because he survived 400 years of criticism.
That's easy.
Try surviving 25 years of weekly manga deadlines.
The real reason Shakespeare is considered the greatest writer of all time is because nobody wants to argue with English teachers.
Shakespeare walked so storytellers could run.
Oda took one look at the track, stole a pirate ship, and disappeared beyond the horizon.
That's a polite way of saying nobody has finished updating them since 1616.
Shakespeare's greatest strength is that every sentence requires a translator. If *One Piece* needed footnotes every three lines, people would call it bad writing. When Shakespeare does it, apparently it's genius.
Hamlet spends five acts deciding whether to do something.
Luffy decides to do something before breakfast.
Shakespeare's fans say his characters are complex. Of course they're complex. Half the time nobody knows what they're talking about.
A *One Piece* fan can explain the entire political structure of the World Government from memory.
A Shakespeare fan needs a study guide to order lunch.
People call Shakespeare the GOAT because he influenced literature.
You know who else influenced literature?
The invention of paper.
Shakespeare's biggest mystery is whether a character poisoned somebody.
Oda's biggest mystery has kept the internet in a state of collective insanity for decades.
Shakespeare wrote 38 plays.
Oda accidentally puts more foreshadowing into a background newspaper.
Shakespeare fans love saying "You just don't understand Shakespeare."
Correct.
Nobody understands Shakespeare.
That's why every edition comes with enough annotations to qualify as a second book.
Reading Shakespeare sometimes feels like trying to decrypt an ancient military transmission.
Reading *One Piece* feels like witnessing mythology being created in real time.
Romeo met Juliet and immediately ruined both of their lives.
Luffy meets people and liberates entire countries.
One inspires teenagers to make bad decisions.
The other inspires people to chase their dreams.
Shakespeare created tragic heroes.
Oda created characters so beloved that fans hold yearly debates over which fictional pirate would be best at paying taxes.
That's cultural impact.
Macbeth destroys his kingdom because of ambition.
Doflamingo destroys a kingdom because he's Doflamingo.
Checkmate.
Shakespeare fans celebrate famous quotes.
One Piece fans celebrate entire character arcs.
One group memorizes a sentence.
The other group memorizes a thousand chapters.
The average Shakespeare character has two settings:
1. Monologue.
2. Dead.
The average *One Piece* character has enough backstory to emotionally devastate an entire continent.
Shakespeare wrote for a stage.
Oda built a civilization.
Shakespeare fans act like he's untouchable because he survived 400 years of criticism.
That's easy.
Try surviving 25 years of weekly manga deadlines.
The real reason Shakespeare is considered the greatest writer of all time is because nobody wants to argue with English teachers.
Shakespeare walked so storytellers could run.
Oda took one look at the track, stole a pirate ship, and disappeared beyond the horizon.