Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1187 Spoilers Discussion

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

IESLB Elbaf is so funny man


How is deadlock?

It's still super fun at it's core. But the matchmaking is inconsistent to awful. The balancing is also ... Uhh interesting at times

Super fun characters though. If you ever liked mobility shooters you'll love it

 

[Shikoku]

I think it's been like 5 years since my last post here. Back then @Chrono used to make threads like this one

Damn, I never expected to see you again. I was surprised you didn’t drop in earlier tho. You were the most active when Sanji was shat on the regular & missed all the moments from IJ to now?!

 

[Albino 👑]

At this point I wonder if oda will give conquerors to all the main members of the 3 great powers
The emperors and admirals getting it makes sense but I’m curious of the warlords

I personally don’t mind the thought off all of them having it

• Doflamingo and Hancock already have it
• Law is inevitable
• I again don’t mind too much if the others get it too
• Sanji’s reaction to Jinbe getting it would be funny

For the marines maybe all the zodiacs can have it. For how large and widespread they are I don’t think that’s too many tbh

 

[kekaro]

It's still super fun at it's core. But the matchmaking is inconsistent to awful. The balancing is also ... Uhh interesting at times

Super fun characters though. If you ever liked mobility shooters you'll love it

Thanks i might check it out than, just heard and watched a little bit till now

 

[Soyz]

Zoro already had Ryou lmao.
Conqueror came out against Kaidou withour enma doing anything.

Ryuo is another name for haki, enma draws out ryuo from pinzoro, that allows him to use advcoa, same thing with advcoc

 

[WkainuWheWoat]

Sanji getting acoc makes more sense than having no acoc and being close to someone who has it. good call Oda

 

[Cruxroux]

At this point I wonder if oda will give conquerors to all the main members of the 3 great powers
The emperors and admirals getting it makes sense but I’m curious of the warlords

I personally don’t mind the thought off all of them having it

• Doflamingo and Hancock already have it
• Law is inevitable
• I again don’t mind too much if the others get it too
• Sanji’s reaction to Jinbe getting it would be funny

For the marines maybe all the zodiacs can have it. For how large and widespread they are I don’t think that’s too many tbh

Conqueror piece it is now.
See how value dropped to a level, almost anyone gets a free pass for potential CoC.

 

[Cruxroux]

Ryuo is another name for haki, enma draws out ryuo from pinzoro, that allows him to use advcoa, same thing with advcoc

No lol.
Ryou is the flow. Just CoA is different thing entirely.
Wano is trained to learn CoA like that. That's why they call CoA and flow the same thing. Meanwhile there is no word for Ryou outside Wano.
Zoro should have unlocked Conqueror moment he held Enma then lol.
Conqueror only came out when zoro decided to go all out against Kaidou.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Ryuo is another name for haki, enma draws out ryuo from pinzoro, that allows him to use advcoa, same thing with advcoc

So close. Ryuo is just another name for Haki, yes, but nothing allows Zoro to use Haki.

 

[Erkan12]

I cant talk about that but i know in his heart he is a true sanjifan

I also know he loves when i point out the countless parallels and recycled plot points oda used for shanks from sanji

One of the top G sanjifans for sure

He even warn this ZKkfan named Terra: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...vs-sanji-post-vano.60502/page-21#post-5804638
Then he banned me for 2 months suddenly without even a warning for insulting that exact same guy named Terra, then when I returned that same guy named Terra that he warned before insulted me many times then I showed his insults he didn't give him the same ban, he also didn't explain the double standard.

Perhaps he is sanji fan but he probably is scared of ZKKfans since he might lose his mod position if he gives ZKKfans the same bans that he gives to others.

 

[HeroesNZ]

Law has a strong case for CoC. The problem is the double standard you are using to make his confirmation mandatory after Sanji’s.

The Baratie panel is Sanji reacting to Zoro choosing death over retreat from Mihawk. That arc also includes Sanji willing to die for Zeff… your opinion is superficial here. On WCI, Zeff was held hostage, Sanji believed his hands would be destroyed, his crew was threatened, and Chapter 856 has him explicitly admit that he wants to return. You prolly classify those sacrifices as “abandoning ambition.”
Meanwhile, Zoro offering Kuma the life attached to his swordsman dream and Law accepting death as long as Doflamingo ultimately falls count as evidence of exceptional resolve. 2 sets of standards again.

I also never claimed that leading the Curly Hats or offering his life independently guarantees CoC. They were parts of a broader comparison involving leadership, courage, will and personal conviction.

Asking whether every Straw Hat therefore has CoC replaces my cumulative argument with one I never made.

The manga has never established “never sacrificing or setting aside your personal dream” as the criterion. You seem to imply this constantly. Pedro captained his own crew, pursued the Poneglyphs and the Dawn, and died for that purpose without confirmed CoC. Persistence to one goal alone proves nothing.

And assuming your “leader of the next generation” statement refers to Chapter 1000, that passage is framed over Luffy, Zoro, Law, Kid and Killer together. Killer voids your narrative here.

Law may eventually receive CoC, and his independent case is strong. Sanji receiving it creates no obligation for Law. Your conclusion depends on counting Law’s sacrifices as resolve, Sanji’s sacrifices as surrender, and then treating Sanji as the minimum threshold Law must automatically exceed…

Essentially, you are just biased as they come.

Baratie clearly shows Sanji’s baseline mindset was that an ambition is not worth dying for. It’s not debatable, it’s fact in black and white. You can argue that he changed but you cannot defend this point.

The difference is that Sanji had no plan nor intention to eventually escape and return on WCI. He completely gave up and despaired. He at least had the opportunity to think about a solution and made no such effort, he was totally done with any and all ambition including making Luffy Pirate King. Zoro’s situation with Kuma was completely different. For Zoro to escape there he’d have to actively sacrifice Luffy’s life which he’d never do. No different to Luffy telling everyone to run on Saboady but at least he brought everyone back together and didn’t give up like Sanji.

Sanji’s character is about kindness and chivalry not dominance or leadership, unlike Law who is an equally prevalent and overall stronger character who does have those qualities.

Killer shares Zoro/Luffy’s dynamic with Kid so not sure why you’re using him as evidence against me here — if Kid comes back stronger and ends up a high top-tier it wouldn’t be far fetched at all for Killer to awaken CoC. Furthermore, Law’s equal status portrayal with Luffy and Kid — two conquerors, is insanely huge for his case. Clearly, Law Kid and Luffy are framed as the top 3 pirates of the new gen bar BB, separated from everyone else.

Again, I have no issues with Sanji getting CoC. But it’s perfectly reasonable to have a problem with Sanji suddenly awakening CoC and Law not doing so when Law objectively has a much stronger case. Thus, I hope Law gets CoC too.

 

[kekaro]

Damn they crying already this hard

 

[Soyz]

No lol.
Ryou is the flow. Just CoA is different thing entirely.
Wano is trained to learn CoA like that. That's why they call CoA and flow the same thing. Meanwhile there is no word for Ryou outside Wano.
Zoro should have unlocked Conqueror moment he held Enma then lol.
Conqueror only came out when zoro decided to go all out against Kaidou.

Pinzoro didn't even know he had coc yet used advcoc, its all because of enma stop coping its emberrasing

 

[Welkin]

I’m only just now starting to feel the wave of vindication wash over me….

So many arguments with idiots that claimed Koby (Alvida’s errand boy for years) having CoC would be perfectly fine but Oda would never dare give Sanji CoC as that would be “breaking the narrative”

The “abandon your stupid dream” panel being posted out of context when it was disproven in the same arc

Claiming that someone like Sanji (a simp) could never be a conqueror due to his “subservient” nature

It’s hitting me like a ton of bricks. The necroing will be absolutely glorious

I can only imagine how much worse the cope would be if half of the Temple hadn’t already abandoned WorstGen

 

[pg13]

There is literally nothing to hype about when it comes to Sommers and Killingham as combatants. Any attempt to do so is just agenda pushing. People act like they're somehow close to Ray or Gab after the Omen boost, but that's laughably baseless. We already saw Gaban mutilate Sommers with no effort. This Omen boost isn't suddenly putting him on a level where he can match Gaban.

Zoro and Sanji aren't going to struggle against these guys because they're too strong, they'll struggle because they need the right Haki gimmick to bypass the regeneration. Once they have that, it's over.

The Omroid exists solely to make Sommers and Killingham somewhat threatening to opponents who lack that gimmick. We've already seen Sanji fold base Killingham without it, the boost will only prevent that from happening again. It's not some magical power up that's suddenly turning either of them into Rayleigh or Gaban level fighters.

Bro Nobody ever cared about How Strong Sanjis Opponents were, it was always about the way he defeated them, the choreography behind what he was doing…..Sanjis fighting style carried most of his fights. Zoro is the one who is always going up against these Hyped Up Dudes with Great Designs and Aura.lets be real One Piece needs fights too, severely lacking in that department.

 

[Cruxroux]

Pinzoro didn't even know he had coc yet used advcoc, its all because of enma stop coping its emberrasing

Again just read.
If Enma is the reason for Conqueror or adcoc.
Where was Oden AdCoC for 30+ years lmao.
He only learned it after he got on Roger ship.

 

[kekaro]

I’m only just now starting to feel the wave of vindication wash over me….

So many arguments with idiots that claimed Koby (Alvida’s errand boy for years) having CoC would be perfectly fine but Oda would never dare give Sanji CoC as that would be “breaking the narrative”

The “abandon your stupid dream” panel being posted out of context when it was disproven in the same arc

Claiming that someone like Sanji (a simp) could never be a conqueror due to his “subservient” nature

It’s hitting me like a ton of bricks. The necroing will be absolutely glorious

I can only imagine how much worse the cope would be if half of the Temple hadn’t already abandoned WorstGen

One high iq genius is talking about that panel right now coping to the end

Its gonna be really fucking funny when sanji gonna wash all the side characters and they gonna cope more, its just a gravy train really ever since gaban appeared

 

[Cruxroux]

Who's next in line?
Momonusuke?
Tama?
Tashigi?
Helmeppo?
Hell half of the Blackbeard crew should have CoC.

Everyone got the possiblity now given Sanji has it.

 

[pg13]

We talking about the Killingham, the guy that was getting styled on sanji while he was airborn and doing spinning kicks, right?
Not much hope in his CQC im afraid, maybe pissjuro level

Dude he got hit and then franky jimbei and Sanji tied him up. There wasn’t an opportunity for a fight. He’s also stronger now.

 

[Welkin]

One high iq genius is talking about that panel right now coping to the end

Its gonna be really fucking funny when sanji gonna wash all the side characters and they gonna cope more, its just a gravy train really ever since gaban appeared

HeroesNZ? Yeah it’s like… painful watching people continue to bring up that Sanji panel

It just proves to me that these guys didn’t read or watch the arc. Or they didn’t pay attention to that section due to biases they have

That Sanji panel exist as setup for his conversation with Zeff which proves that that’s not who Sanji really is. That wasn’t his “baseline mindset” that’s who he became under Zeff due to a debt he owed

We saw what his “baseline mindset” was when as an 8 year old Sanji was willing to fight to the death against a group of pirates by himself while all the adults around him cowered in fear

The arc spells this out in plain language. It’s just that some people (most of them coincidentally being Zoro fans) choose to completely ignore what the story is telling them