Questions & Mysteries Does Zoro have Internal Destruction Haki?

[uyuu]

No, it's Luffy's exclusive weapon that can damage Kaidou the most. Zoro has barrier haki earlier than Luffy though (when vs Mr.1) so he might make it thicker like Oden in this arc.

 

[Guan Yu]

Care to explain why? What purpose does it serve his character when the objective of a swordsman is to destroy from the outside in, not the inside out.

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Don't get me wrong. I'm sure Zoro will have his own specialized form of Armament Haki. Internal destruction just doesn't fit his fighting style, so it doesn't make sense for him to have it.

For me, it was just a matter of application. A difference in usages between brawler and swordsman. Like Chidori and Rasengan for example, if you get what I mean.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

No.
No statement or feat of it.
And by the focus Oda gave to Luffy by learning it now with a master and practicing it and all that stuff, Zoro won't appear here with this Haki like nothing now, makes no sense.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Yikes no lol

 

[Killua]

No.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Maybe
I just doubt it
But Maybe Godhawk taught him and Zoro didn't need to use it yet in combination with swords

 

[Geo]

Only when he's unarmed.

When he uses his sword, it transforms to being able to cut anything you want and or haki flying slashes

 

[Afroking]

I think Oda needs to do better to separate the two,because honestly ,what is the difference between what Zoro did with Enma

And what Roger/Whitebeard did?

In both cases the haki flew far way out of the weapon.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

So between Zoro and Rayleigh, the latter is the one dedicated to Luffy's progress...? There's an easy argument ahead of me but I'm wondering if I really have to sit here and make it.

The people who wish for Sanji to advance his observation don't have a basis to compare. It's not like Scopper or another Sanji equivalent has shown that ability. It doesn't have any relevance to his cooking or pursuit of All Blue. Kawamatsu has level 2, past his prime Rayleigh has level 3... Zoro's goal would be to surpass both of those guys and even if it's possible to beat them without it, the point is that he shouldn't be less skilled either.

There are different applications of Armament Haki. This isn't about level 1, 2 or 3. Luffy's affinity progresses to internal destruction Haki, as it is fitting for his character.

In order for Zoro to be able to acquire internal destruction Haki, that would mean he would need to have the same exact affinity for CoA as Luffy does, which again as I stated is pointless for a Swordsman. Why would you want Zoro to have an advanced form of CoA that is useless for his character? Instead, he should have a different affinity, so whatever advanced form he gains actually benefits him.

 

[Fn Lucci]

To say Zoro doesn't have that affinity and Luffy does, you post a pic of Luffy saying that he does. So where is it that Zoro denies the capability?

And look at your example of the dudes using it. Axe man, swordsman, swordsman. But it's useless to Zoro, a swordsman? Just like the "second" level, that same barrier, is also useless to the Kawamatsu who's fighting Kaido? Like Luffy and Zoro are both set out to do right now?

Well thanks for sort of abandoning the assertion that Rayleigh is supposed to mean more to Luffy as an ally.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

For me, it was just a matter of application. A difference in usages between brawler and swordsman. Like Chidori and Rasengan for example, if you get what I mean.

Well let me ask you, out of the two different CoA affinities we have seen, which one do you think is more beneficial to a Swordsman? What Luffy can do with internal destruction, or what Katakuri can do with taking his CoA hardness to the next level?

The ability to cut anything and nothing implies you can control the hardness of your blade. That is the type of CoA haki that is most beneficial to Zoro.

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^ The above applies to you as well.

To say Zoro doesn't have that affinity and Luffy does, you post a pic of Luffy saying that he does. So where is it that Zoro denies the capability?

And look at your example of the dudes using it. Axe man, swordsman, swordsman. But it's useless to Zoro, a swordsman? Just like the "second" level, that same barrier, is also useless to the Kawamatsu who's fighting Kaido? Like Luffy and Zoro are both set out to do right now?

Well thanks for sort of abandoning the assertion that Rayleigh is supposed to mean more to Luffy as an ally.

 

[ranady]

Also wonder what's a better feat, developing internal destruction or forging a blade black?

I think it's different case. For example Luffy isn't a swordsman and he can use internal destruction, but I don't think he can blacken a blade. And it's said that shusui became black after so many battles ryuuma experienced, so it needs much time. And zoro most likely has ryuo / flowing haki and can use it to his swords and potentially with time he could cut diamond in future with his CoA, but if zoro uses his barehand (not using swords) he can't use internal destruction haki like Luffy does.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

I think it's different case. For example Luffy isn't a swordsman and he can use internal destruction, but I don't think he can blacken a blade. And it's said that shusui became black after so many battles ryuuma experienced, so it needs much time. And zoro most likely has ryuo / flowing haki and can use it to his swords and potentially with time he could cut diamond in future with his CoA, but if zoro uses his barehand (not using swords) he can't use internal destruction haki like Luffy does.

Exactly. Internal destruction Haki is all about releasing ones Haki from their body. What Katakuri does is all about controlling CoA to make it harder. That in practice is way more beneficial to a Swordsman, and fit for turning a blade black.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

The difference between Rayleigh and Zoro is that Rayleigh was specifically designed to train/inspire Luffy to become stronger. Therefore Rayleigh is going to be given abilities to help Luffy progress.

Zoro specializes in CoA, so why wouldn't you want him to have something that is unique to him? People thinking Zoro has internal destruction haki because Luffy was given it are no different than those who say Sanji has Future sight because Luffy does. Let Zoro and Sanji be their own characters with their own unique abilities.

Hyogoro "mighty sword" can do things all this Ryuo related things without his swords so i don't see the issue why the future WSS shouldn't.




Barrier, penetration would be something in his arsenal alongside something extra unique to him after all when it comes CoA swordmans can possibly learn everything.

 

[Zenos7]

Well let me ask you, out of the two different CoA affinities we have seen, which one do you think is more beneficial to a Swordsman? What Luffy can do with internal destruction, or what Katakuri can do with taking his CoA hardness to the next level?

The ability to cut anything and nothing implies you can control the hardness of your blade. That is the type of CoA haki that is most beneficial to Zoro.

not sure what hardness has to do with not cutting something. The edge should still be sharp, the only thing that would make sense is the barrier/flow haki to use that to not cut something, i guess. . .

There are different applications of Armament Haki. This isn't about level 1, 2 or 3. Luffy's affinity progresses to internal destruction Haki, as it is fitting for his character.

In order for Zoro to be able to acquire internal destruction Haki, that would mean he would need to have the same exact affinity for CoA as Luffy does, which again as I stated is pointless for a Swordsman. Why would you want Zoro to have an advanced form of CoA that is useless for his character? Instead, he should have a different affinity, so whatever advanced form he gains actually benefits him.

what affinity are you talking about though? Luffy is just stating here that this is part of CoA. Just like sensing auras, gauging power levels, foreseeing attacks and reading emotions are part of CoO.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Well let me ask you, out of the two different CoA affinities we have seen, which one do you think is more beneficial to a Swordsman? What Luffy can do with internal destruction, or what Katakuri can do with taking his CoA hardness to the next level?

The ability to cut anything and nothing implies you can control the hardness of your blade. That is the type of CoA haki that is most beneficial to Zoro.

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^ The above applies to you as well.

That's not a separate type of CoA. That is a part of Hyo's description that led to his example, the same color that Ray and Sentomaru used. Apparently what Kawamatsu also used. There's no reason that should be off limits for Zoro, and to go further doesn't sound far fetched for a guy aiming to be the strongest swordsman... as a guy past his prime can even use.

I think you still believe that destroying from the inside out somehow means leaving the outside unharmed. Correct in saying that wouldn't work for Zoro, but that isn't the case.

I think it's different case. For example Luffy isn't a swordsman and he can use internal destruction, but I don't think he can blacken a blade. And it's said that shusui became black after so many battles ryuuma experienced, so it needs much time. And zoro most likely has ryuo / flowing haki and can use it to his swords and potentially with time he could cut diamond in future with his CoA, but if zoro uses his barehand (not using swords) he can't use internal destruction haki like Luffy does.

We really don't know the qualifications for forging a black blade. Oden was much older than Zoro when he died with superior experience as a pirate, and he still couldn't do it. So somehow it can't be straightforward as an assumption.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

No.
No statement or feat of it.
And by the focus Oda gave to Luffy by learning it now with a master and practicing it and all that stuff, Zoro won't appear here with this Haki like nothing now, makes no sense.

I mean we only had one Mihawk flashback.

If it comes to CoA knowledge quite sure the WSS can teach you everything ( well if he wants to ).

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Hyogoro "mighty sword" can do things all this Ryuo related things without his swords so i don't see the issue why the WSS shouldn't have it.




Barrier, penetration would be something in his arsenal alongside something extra unique to him after all when it comes CoA swordmans can possibly learn everything.

And Hyogoro can't turn a blade black with barrier/penetration Haki, because that is all about dispersing ones Haki.

not sure what hardness has to do with not cutting something. The edge should still be sharp, the only thing that would make sense is the barrier/flow haki to use that to not cut something, i guess. . .


what affinity are you talking about though? Luffy is just stating here that this is part of CoA. Just like sensing auras, gauging power levels, foreseeing attacks and reading emotions are part of CoO.

We've already witnessed Katakuri using a different application of Armament Haki. Luffy witnessed it first hand, and he saw how it was easily capable of overpowering his own CoA. So why wouldn't Luffy want to achieve that if he knows how much stronger it can make your attacks? He opted to go for internal destruction haki, because that is the affinity of CoA that he has. Luffy can't achieve what Katakuri can with CoA, because he does not have that type of CoA.

 

[Zenos7]

We've already witnessed Katakuri using a different application of Armament Haki. Luffy witnessed it first hand, and he saw how it was easily capable of overpowering his own CoA. So why wouldn't Luffy want to achieve that if he knows how much stronger it can make your attacks? He opted to go for internal destruction haki, because that is the affinity of CoA that he has. Luffy can't achieve what Katakuri can with CoA, because he does not have that type of CoA.

what different application? you mean kata having superior hardening? Thats not different, thats just superior hardening.

And if luffy has affinity for this penetration haki by having hardening, zoro should then have the affinity as well, and everyone else that can use hardening tbh. Well if you want to make sense at least.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

And Hyogoro can't turn a blade black with barrier/penetration Haki, because that is all about dispersing ones Haki.



We've already witnessed Katakuri using a different application of Armament Haki. Luffy witnessed it first hand, and he saw how it was easily capable of overpowering his own CoA. So why wouldn't Luffy want to achieve that if he knows how much stronger it can make your attacks? He opted to go for internal destruction haki, because that is the affinity of CoA that he has. Luffy can't achieve what Katakuri can with CoA, because he does not have that type of CoA.

When you said "blade black " you mean shushui?
If so then that's not an argument cuz we don't have knowledge of how one forges one yet.

If you mean koka on a sword well we're yet to see Hyogoro use this type Haki with his sword which I believe he can you are are putting a bunch of rules that so far has not been stablished bro.

Didn't Kawamatsu use barrier with his sword when he was freed tho.