Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1189 Spoilers Discussion

[Konstantis]

2 Sword Style Zoro equally clashed with Nusjuro
Omen Sommers pushed 3 Sword Style Zoro back
Now do the math

Nusjuro with Omen will be stronger than any character except Imu?

 

[Jackteo]

King was slapping Zoro around too, doesnt mean he was stronger overall...

Zoro was weaker and slower than King (and rightfully so, Luffy needed G4 for YCs) till it just wasn't anymore. It is the usual stat boost the so-called "base" Zoro gets at the most convenient times during most of his fights. Not to mention King kind of forgot he had a hybrid form.

No gears/modes needed if the author favours you

Do not despair nik-kun, the stat boost is on his way once again

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

I think the grading is based more on the craftmanship level of the blade. How fine the blade and when will it break. Sandai and Yubashiri are a good example in this regard. And Kaidos weapon would be legendary because it was wielded by Kaido and it did not break even though it was ungraded.

I think most people forgot that Swords like ACE, and Yoru aren't Japanese based swords yet they still got graded as Saijo.
People think only Japanese sword are included on the grade sword or blades while it isn't.

 

[Orojackson Refugee]

Zoro hasn't used Ashura so he is still holding back currently

 

[Redboy776]

All out King is one shot matterial for Super Gram Sommer.


Mainwhile Laramaki was struggle against finished King at 1 hp.

 

[SakazOuki]

Can someone break down the new Omen tier system? @Fujishiro

Why is YC1+ Zolo jobbing to Bummers

Sommers is using one of the 19 weapons that created the world
Also wahts left of Fraudhawk and black blades agenda is finished apparently

 

[Jackteo]

Look at the hilt the blade is different but the hilt is still the same. Its why Killingham's trident morphed into a spear when he struck Sanji.

I checked chapter 1187 and you are right. Longinus has been in front of us all along

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

I told you guys ages ago

Sommers was treated like a bum and no one tried separating him from Killingham and everyone unanimously agreed he's an insect compared to Imu

Suddenly, despite no new feats, he's apparently much stronger than Killingham and somehow... has Imu level stats. Lmfao

I wonder what changed?

I'll give y'all a hint: 🪳🪳🪳

@Sentinel @kekaro

 

[Redboy776]

Zoro hasn't used Ashura so he is still holding back currently

Offcourse, Asura, 3000 world, advcoc 1080 pound hou, advcoc tatsumaki.

We can consider dragon damnation as Current Zoros divine departure. His beginner within his top tier level move.


It was à test to see if Super Gram Sommer has reached that top tier level.

 

[BillSlipton]

Bro really must be a special grade retard to think Enma and Cerebrus are connected.

Never said they were connected within the stories narrative.

You see how idiotic these zboys are?

They can't even read.

They dont understand what an internal critique is.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

We can consider dragon damnation as Current Zoros divine departure. His beginner within his top tier level move.

Zoro's strongest attack in the series which he needed to finish off his opponent after his hardest fight ever is somehow akin to a Kamusari which guys like Roger/Shanks can pull off in no time to one shot YC+ level guys

Swear to God y'all be granting Zoro power ups even Oda hasn't envisioned yet

 

[park_min young]

Usopp’s reaction actually upped the tension ngl. His speech later on against Imu will be a great scene.

 

[fanboy]

Enma vs Gram. The battle of Daddy’s swords.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Thought Zoro fans did pretty decent this break week and had somehow improved since they were surprisingly using sound logic for the most part now they're back to using their apeish neanderthal level IQ

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Remember when sanjikun slandered Loki because Imu "low diffed" him and Luffy was doing better than Loki....

b-but Luffy wasn't defeated, he would keep fighting if it wasn't for the sword!

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

Super super Sommers is stronger physically then Zoro.
It is quite obvious now that Gram > any of Zoro’s swords.
And it seems that Maki = Adv CoC.
Now we still need to see how Omen affects the strength of his devil fruit but basically as of right now Super super Sommers is confortably above YC1 level. He is still a bum but an overpowered one.

Therefore the Omen boost + the weapon boost make someone significantly weaker than Sanji to be significantly stronger than Zoro.

I still think Maki/Omen is > AdvCoC attack
Cuz we've seen Loki attacking it with AdvCoC ( Ragna Izuchi ) and imu easily block it.

 

[kurwa]

Zoro hasn't used Ashura so he is still holding back currently

😭
We are at the point where zorofans holding onto zoro not using asura against bummers
meanwhile Sanji has not even begun using anything besides basic attacks. No DJ, no ifrit, no exoskeleton.

Zoro's actor must have fucked Oda himself or something

 

[Hedfi]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2080484414144884936

Oda's paneling is atrocious as usual. I actually didn't notice that Gaban cut the tree before blocking Imu.

 

[nik87]

Yes, I believe Imu connected his life to sword, so untill sword is broken Mihawk will be immortal. Which explanes the whole Idea of surpassing the Sword of Mihawk.

Wait a minite!
Are you telling me...
...that Mihawk himself is the >sword of god(Imu)?
So basically, Yoru is Imu's sword and Mihawk himself is just basically the Squirrel to Ragnir, a mythical Dracula fed to Yoru?
Interesting idea, Kon-chin... But I doubt it.

Hey Nik, straight up question, you ready to accept Imu as beign worthy to be included in the "goat of goats" discussion yet or nah?

Because from the looks of it, Nemesis looks more and more like it was not just some random Omen weapon, but could potentially be a straight up black blade. And even if not, chances are among the 19 damn blades one of them could be his "personal" sword and that would be black.

Think Imu has done plenty at this point to establish he has the deepest bag in the verse, with ridiculous strength and portrayal along with it.

I dont think any of his 20 weapons are black blades but we will see...
Whether he is among goat of goats, he will show. I am not impressed yet.
His victims are Loki and Luffy, both incompetent. Let's see how he fares against old fart Gaban.

Yes, one of the 20 is Imu's own sword.
I would not mind if it is a Kokuto but I doubt it.

Got this from Ai.

Bro, dont go full Erkek on me now and start talking to Ai...

I think it was the whole point. Oda made it clear Base Sommer is far weaker than Zoro.


At the same time oda made it clear that Zoros durability is also unique swords attacks that have high level lethality with advococ couldnt finish him or put him down for good (Gaban, Rayeligh).

Oda been playing to boost them with Omen from the beginning.

I think Omen buffed and Gram-wielding Sommers is still weaker than Zoro.
There simply might be no way around Gram's supposed ability other than negating it with haki burst.

Zoro was weaker and slower than King (and rightfully so, Luffy needed G4 for YCs) till it just wasn't anymore. It is the usual stat boost the so-called "base" Zoro gets at the most convenient times during most of his fights. Not to mention King kind of forgot he had a hybrid form.

No gears/modes needed if the author favours you

Do not despair nik-kun, the stat boost is on his way once again

It doesnt work that way, Jacky-chin...
Zoro is still weaker, physically, than King and slower than him.
He will never be stronger than King in those stats.
This is not DBZ where you need to go head through the wall...

There are no stat-boosts for Zoro... He has been maxed out on physicals since TS...
Every boost has been haki boost which is not stat boost... Merely buff for attack or block...
If the issue here is Gram's hax ability, the only solution would be Joyboy/Shanks haki burst to negate that ability.
And that solution does not give any boost whatsoever... Merely convenient ability for specific problems...

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Zoroach logic: If you don't use the strongest attack in your arsenal right out the get go you're holding back