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What is Imu coolest blade ?


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Sommers has better feats than Kaido, brilliant
Gram and Omen is scary

Killingham's power will be shown through Sanji himself i believe

Sanji, with Jinbe and Franky's little assistance, managed to contain Killingham pretty easily. If all Sanji does here is get clapped from all directions then we can say the boost is enormous.

Luffy and Zoro awakened CoC coating after getting beaten like crazy.. Sanji is probably taking his worst beating here, even with the Exoskeleton.. I mean, i hope at least.. tired of Sanji fights that feel like mid diff (btw lets consider the possibility of Killingham not being THAT strong and needing his summons to help him)
 
The fact that people need confirmation of that on a linear powercreep shounen tells a lot about how this fandom reads the story.
It's not linear. We got Kuroobi after Gin, Absalom after Jabura, S-Shark after Queen, Ohm after Daz, etc

People realizing King never were that strong..
Queen thought he wouldn't be beaten. There's a difference between never being strong and not looking strong in hindsight.
 
Sommers > Nasujuro without maki
That’s exactly what I was saying about the maki, this power of Imu’s completely destroyed any sense of scale regarding the hierarchy, lol.
Now, you can't tell whether the subordinates or the boss are stronger, since it all depends on how much power they received from Imu, and that won't be clearly specified. That’s when things like "black lightning" metrics and those kinds of subjective speculations come into play. I get it, though, because without a statement from Imu, it’s the only unit of measurement available.
 
Now we know that one of Loki's defining personality traits is denial. Whenever he loses, he refuses to acknowledge it.

When Imu completely destroys him and leaves him on the verge of death, Jinbe says he was defeated, and Loki responds, "Who did you say was defeated?" completely rejecting the reality of what happened.

The same pattern shows up in his past. After being defeated by pre-Yonko Shanks and ending up chained to a tree, instead of admitting he lost, Loki once again goes into denial and calls Shanks a coward.

This is a consistent part of his personality. Loki would rather reinterpret what happened than admit he was defeated. His instinctive response to losing is to deny it or discredit the person who beat him in order to protect his pride.

 
Now we know that one of Loki's defining personality traits is denial. Whenever he loses, he refuses to acknowledge it.

When Imu completely destroys him and leaves him on the verge of death, Jinbe says he was defeated, and Loki responds, "Who did you say was defeated?" completely rejecting the reality of what happened.

The same pattern shows up in his past. After being defeated by pre-Yonko Shanks and ending up chained to a tree, instead of admitting he lost, Loki once again goes into denial and calls Shanks a coward.

This is a consistent part of his personality. Loki would rather reinterpret what happened than admit he was defeated. His instinctive response to losing is to deny it or discredit the person who beat him in order to protect his pride.

agree but that shanks low diffs kaido
 
Sommers > Nasujuro without maki
That’s exactly what I was saying about the maki, this power of Imu’s completely destroyed any sense of scale regarding the hierarchy, lol.
Now, you can't tell whether the subordinates or the boss are stronger, since it all depends on how much power they received from Imu, and that won't be clearly specified. That’s when things like "black lightning" metrics and those kinds of subjective speculations come into play. I get it, though, because without a statement from Imu, it’s the only unit of measurement available.
I think that sets up that the Gorosei will eventually get these boosts...
 
Dialogue only

Used AI to translate all the Arabic dialogue

Page 1
  • Editor Note: What will become of Luffy after receiving a stab from Imu?!
  • Luffy: "Ah..."
  • Luffy: "Hah..."
  • Luffy: "Ah... Ah... Ugh..."
  • Luffy: "Arghhh!!!"
Page 2
  • Character: "Wh..."
  • Giant: "What's wrong? What's the matter with you, Usopp?!"
  • Usopp: "Is..."
  • Usopp: "...Luffy okay?"
  • Giant: "Don't ask a terrifying question like that out of nowhere!!"
  • Nami: "He's definitely okay!!"
  • Jinbe: "Don't forget that his opponent defeated this massive giant, Nami."
  • Hajrudin: "Ugh!! You Fish-man!! pant... pant... Who are you saying was defeated?!!"
  • Chopper / Usopp: "What is beyond doubt is that Luffy's Haki suddenly weakened immensely!!"
Page 3
  • Giants: "Awesome!! All the ice has melted!!"
  • Giants: "Princess Shuri!!"
  • Giants: "Don't bury her all of a sudden!!"
  • Giants: "What happened to you since then?"
  • Giants: "Rather, what even happened back then?!"
  • Giants: "This is you, right?!"
  • Brook: "Don't worry, my body has no heat in the first place!!"
  • Giants: "Princess Shuri!!!"
  • Creature: "Kuriri Ririri!!"
  • Giants: "Please don't interrupt us!!"
  • Creature: "Kuriri Kuriri Gigi!!"
  • Giants: "Are you sure it's okay to free her? If she's one of those terrifying ones..."
  • Nami: "Hajrudin!! You accelerated way too much!!"
  • Nami: "What kind of entry is this, guys?!"
  • Nami: "Hajrudin and the others!! Chopper!!"
  • Robin: "Thank you, Chopper-kun, you're so cute and dependable."
  • Chopper: "Your praise doesn't make me happy, you idiot."
  • Giant: "Hurry, Loki!! Show me your wounds..."
  • Loki: "Ah!!"
Page 4
  • Giant: "You're bleeding heavily!! Your condition is critical!!!"
  • Loki: "You guys are the ones who made my injuries worse!!"
  • Loki: "What brought you here?!! pant... pant..."
  • Giant: "Don't fight here, Hajrudin..."
  • Giant: "Instead, go to where Loki is fighting!!"
  • Giant: "But what about the children?"
  • Giant: "Saving the children is merely a temporary solution!"
  • Giant: "Do you think that controlling Elbaf..."
  • Giant: "...was a decision agreed upon by the Kings at the Reverie?"
  • Giant: "Of course not, so most likely that man..."
  • Giant: "Loki!!"
  • Giant: "Do you know who that person is?!"
Page 5
  • Giant: "Yes... I think I know!!"
  • Imu: "You won't be able to move..."
  • Luffy: "cough... pant... pant..."
  • Imu: "For I stabbed you with a sword that absorbs life energy."
  • Imu: "I wonder how many stabs will be enough to kill you?"
  • Imu: "Monkey D. Luffy!!"
  • Imu: "What an obnoxious name..."
  • Imu: "And you have two brothers, each bearing a different family name..."
Page 6
  • Imu: "One of them was killed by the Navy forces..."
  • Luffy: "pant... pant..."
  • Imu: "And the other rose through the ranks of the Revolutionary Army and made a name for himself..."
  • Imu: "Fragarach!! (Sword of the Sea Ruler)"
  • Luffy: "Ghaaaaaaaa!!"
  • Imu: "The three of you share the same chaos and recklessness!!"
  • Loki: "That bastard must be..."
Page 7
  • Loki: "He's the one Red-Hair spoke of..."
  • Loki: "With the power of this Devil Fruit you ate..."
  • Loki: "I will avenge my father and his soldiers!!!"
  • Shanks: "I understand your anger, Loki, but you must hold back..."
  • Loki: "What's wrong with you, Red-Hair?!"
  • Loki: "Do you intend to stop me from avenging my father?!"
  • Shanks: "Rather, I desire revenge no less than you do!! Harald was a friend of mine!!"
  • Shanks: "But think carefully!! The World Government is seeking to control Elbaf!!"
  • Shanks: "And this is not their ultimate goal, but merely a means to prepare for war!!!"
Page 8
  • Loki: "What? The World Government is going to wage a war?"
  • Loki: "And what do I care about their war?! My father died in agony with heartbreak consuming him!! And innocent soldiers fell victim to what happened!!!"
  • Loki: "My only concern is taking revenge for them and avenging every single one of them!!!"
  • Shanks: "And who is your opponent? On whom will you take revenge?"
  • Loki: "The World Government!!"
  • Shanks: "The one who controlled Harald and manipulated him..."
  • Shanks: "...is the King of the World!!!"
  • Giant: "What are you saying, Shanks? The World Government's policy prevents the crowning of a single king..."
  • Shanks: "Wait, Shanks... / It's fine, I know the two of them won't believe my words."
  • Loki: "Haha!! So my enemy is a king?! I'll simply kill him!!"
  • Shanks: "The King's power exceeds comprehension!! Even my journey to the Holy Land only increased my bewilderment at the extent of his power!!"
  • Shanks: "If defeating him were possible, someone would have defeated him before you!!!"
Page 9
  • Shanks: "It isn't time to fight him yet!!!"
  • Loki: "Shut up, who are you to dictate orders to me?!"
  • Loki: "I will crush that bastard wherever he is!!"
  • Giant: "Don't act recklessly, Loki!!"
  • Loki: "I left the country for years after that..."
  • Loki: "And yet..."
  • Loki: "I wasn't able to reach him!!!"
  • Loki: "If he really is the King of the World..."
  • Loki: "Then this is a perfect opportunity to eliminate him!!!"
Page 10
  • Giant: "A superficial, naive idea."
  • Loki: "What?!"
  • Giant: "But..."
  • Giant: "I won't object to it!!"
  • Giant: "Let me help you... in taking revenge for my father's death!!!"
  • Giant: "What a strange conversation..."
  • Giant: "If the world really has a king, then what is the Five Elders' role?!"
  • Giant: "I told you not to interrupt me, if you please!!"
  • Creature: "Kurirr Ririri!!"
  • Giant: "He is saying, 'I am the one who froze that woman because she is dangerous.'"
  • Brook: "What?! You froze her?!"
  • Brook: "I don't deny that she is dangerous, but I am certain that someone was manipulating her!!"
  • Brook: "This girl..."
  • Brook: "...is like a daughter to me!!!"
Page 11
  • Robin: "It seems you are having important discussions here."
  • Straw Hats: "Robin!!"
  • Robin: "But I need you in the library, Chopper!!"
  • Straw Hats: "Saul!!"
  • Saul: "Oi!!"
  • Imu: "The next weapon..."
  • Imu: "How miserable for you."
  • Luffy: "pant... pant..."
  • Imu: "This weapon will not be limited to merely stabbing."
  • Imu: "For the third weapon is..."
  • Imu: "Heavenly Punishment Axe: Xingtian ('Kiten no Ono')!!!"
  • Luffy: "pant... pant... Ah..."
Page 12
  • Narrator: "Western Village, Sea Cloud Port."
  • Zoro: "King of Hell Three Swords Style... One Hundred and Eight Raging Strikes ('Hyakuhachi Go')!!!"
  • Holy Knight: "Gahahaha!!"
  • Holy Knight: "The Sword of Chaos Tuoho, the Sword of Nothingness Fuho, and the Sword of Heavenly Punishment Nemesis..."
  • Holy Knight: "The Spear of Longinus, the Sword of Demonic Rancor Stigma, and the Sword of Muramasa!!"
  • Holy Knight: "These are names among the nineteen weapons..."
  • Holy Knight: "The weapons that ruled the world!!!"
  • Zoro: "Flying Dragon Hell ('Hiryu Jigoku')!!!"
  • Holy Knight: "Sword of Wrath, Gram!!!"
  • Holy Knight: "800 years ago... 19 of the founding Kings of this world..."
  • Holy Knight: "...thrust their weapons around the Empty Throne as a vow of equality among them!!!"
  • Holy Knight: "His Majesty revived them with demonic aura and bestowed them upon us!!"
  • Holy Knight: "The legends inherited by every true family are beyond a shadow of a doubt!!"
  • Holy Knight: "Observe closely, Roronoa Zoro!!"
  • Holy Knight: "What you see before you is the power that subjugated the world!!"
  • Zoro: "pant... pant..."
Page 13
  • Sommers: "And the weapon held by my family, Shepherd... is the Sword of Wrath, Gram!!!"
  • Killingham: "The weapon inherited by my family, Rimoshif... is the Holy Spear, Longinus!!!"
  • Imu: "You should feel pride and gratitude!!"
  • Imu: "For you will die by one of the weapons that founded the world!!!"
  • Luffy: "Agh... Ah!!!!!!"
  • Narrator: "The arrival of the Pirate King's left hand!!"
 
will we see a god knight for each family? We got 3 manyards right? I think dracule could be one of those families, with mihawk awakening an eye power similar to gunko. I doubt he's nerona.
 
I think that sets up that the Gorosei will eventually get these boosts...
Obviously, they’ll receive them, and some will use the families' weapons too. But all this just makes their fighting style predictable and completely strips away any respect the reader might have for the villains, since they only pose a challenge because they’ve been buffed. They lack innate strength, like Haki, or power born of centuries of life, or durability derived from a Devil Fruit...
They’re only strong because of the Maki, and that really sucks. And if they start losing, Imu could just release more Maki to turn the tide, it’s a terrible dynamic for a reader looking for even a shred of immersion.
 
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