Powers & Abilities The Wildfire invades Totland

[TheAncientCenturion]

Oda has barely established those "rules" when it comes to Lunarian and he kept things more vague for future encounters. It's as simple as it is.

Cool, can King tank Mother Flame?

So you’ll just make up your own rules because you prefer them lmao. That’s fine for headcanon but don’t push it on other people.

depends, will Mother Flame remove Kings flames? It’s an ancient weapon so that gets some leeway to be discussed but again—Oda is the one who wrote them as invincible when using flames. So any exceptions will be few and far between, but the ancient weapons are likely among those. We’ll have to see.

 

[John Akainu]

We Admiral bros knew King was fodder to top tiers the moment Aramaki negged him...

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

We Admiral bros knew King was fodder to top tiers the moment Aramaki negged him...

We’ve been saying an admiral solos the top 3 Yonko commanders low diff since Marineford. It wasn’t a revelation to anyone who could powerscale

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Yeah they were wiped out by the people whose weaker descendants can block Dragon Damnation. Imu and the 19 kings were likely all Yonko level taking them on.

doesn’t change the fact that any attack that hits King, if it doesn’t douse his flames, will not damage him. Loki without his sextoy rodent can swing at King for days and that won’t change.

Stop. King got twig diffed and is a mere commander on the same tier as Queen. Your headcanon version of King does not exist in the manga

 

[Ven437]

Kata vs King returned to the table and might not looking good King...

Kata vs King was always extreme diff with the edge over to Kata. Now after this ch, KoH Damnation not being as lethal as we thought, Kata might have an even easier time dealing with King

King got the biggest portrayal of shame being twig diffed by a drunk admiral alongside his YC2 commander. Not even Oda disrespected Kidd that badly and Kidd was dissed p badly

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Stop. King got twig diffed and is a mere commander on the same tier as Queen. Your headcanon version of King does not exist in the manga

Yes, the same thing happens to any commander not named Ben Beckman

I’m probably the only person who ranks king fairly in this site between the haters and the wankers

 

[John Akainu]

We’ve been saying an admiral solos the top 3 Yonko commanders low diff since Marineford. It wasn’t a revelation to anyone who could powerscale

"They were nerfed"
"King wasn't pierced"
"Invisible seacuffs"

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Kata vs King was always extreme diff with the edge over to Kata. Now after this ch, KoH Damnation not being as lethal as we thought, Kata might have an even easier time dealing with King

King got the biggest portrayal of shame being twig diffed by a drunk admiral alongside his YC2 commander. Not even Oda disrespected Kidd that badly and Kidd was dissed p badly

King got fed to Greenbull so Greenbull’s humiliation was even better/greater Shanks hype, so Oda could advertise film red

 

[John Akainu]

Yes, the same thing happens to any commander not named Ben Beckman

Beckman is low diff material too, no commander is saved.

 

[Sentinel]

why we still talking about coc dawg that shit is as useless as don chinjao s
awakened also that shit is useless king would just walk trough it
lunarian genes >>basic coc and his dogshit awakening on top of havin quality coa that katakuri doesnt
katakuri is getting owned

You mean the same ability which even Sanji will get now? Sorry man but King isn't simply made for CoC...
Katakuri's awakening would constantly ragdoll King with no break - he'd try to avoid the hits with his flame off mode but then Katakuri sees the weakspots in his FS and aims at these spots.
I believe King vs Katakuri is slow but I'm betting on the dude with better Haki AND DF skills. Heck, Katakuri is your YC1 Haki merchant, yet you're arguing in favor of someone who has nothing going on for without his Lunarian powers. Take Katakuri's FS away, this dude still has his special awakened paramecia powers, CoC and strong CoA. Take his awakening away, he's still left with his other good skills. Take away his super hardening and he can still beat the shit out of his opponents with regular CoA.
King is simply way too reliable on his Lunarian powers. Heck, that's a reason why y'all convinced yourselves that's how Aramaki no diffed King like that.

So you’ll just make up your own rules because you prefer them lmao. That’s fine for headcanon but don’t push it on other people.

depends, will Mother Flame remove Kings flames? It’s an ancient weapon so that gets some leeway to be discussed but again—Oda is the one who wrote them as invincible when using flames. So any exceptions will be few and far between, but the ancient weapons are likely among those. We’ll have to see.

No, I'm just not believing exaggerated statements about unknown powers to justify some no limit fallacy fantasies.

Then I fail to see why you're giving an ancient weapon the benefit of the doubt when a Thorheim nukes the entire island - where King would be standing there - as well? I'd get if it's about more casual moves but Thorheim is one of the strongest moves we've seen so far. It even makes Blazing Bagua look bad.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

"They were nerfed"
"King wasn't pierced"
"Invisible seacuffs"

And I argued against every single one of those except the top. King wasn’t fully healthy but wasn’t below 50% health. Probably closer to 60%-70%

 

[L57]

You mean the same ability which even Sanji will get now? Sorry man but King isn't simply made for CoC...
Katakuri's awakening would constantly ragdoll King with no break - he'd try to avoid the hits with his flame off mode but then Katakuri sees the weakspots in his FS and aims at these spots.
I believe King vs Katakuri is slow but I'm betting on the dude with better Haki AND DF skills. Heck, Katakuri is your YC1 Haki merchant, yet you're arguing in favor of someone who has nothing going on for without his Lunarian powers. Take Katakuri's FS away, this dude still has his special awakened paramecia powers, CoC and strong CoA. Take his awakening away, he's still left with his other good skills. Take away his super hardening and he can still beat the shit out of his opponents with regular CoA.
King is simply way too reliable on his Lunarian powers. Heck, that's a reason why y'all convinced yourselves that's how Aramaki no diffed King like that.

brother lanji will get acoc
katakuri doesnt have acoc are u actually dumb?
why we still talking about something katakuri doesnt posses
king without flames on is still beating him
the gap is to big in power endurance speed and coa

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

No, I'm just not believing exaggerated statements about unknown powers to justify some no limit fallacy fantasies.

So you’ll just inject your own headcanon where it fits your biases. Cause that’s what this is. As of chapter #1189, no attack has ever bypassed their defenses and Oda hasn’t put an asterisk to their abilities.

so you can either;
1# Go with what Oda says about them being invincible with flame on defenses, understand there will likely be some exploit or ability that can bypass them. But Oda just hasn’t revealed it yet.
2# Decide very strong characters can bypass it without proof or evidence, with big powerful attacks because of your personal bias.

Then I fail to see why you're giving an ancient weapon the benefit of the doubt when a Thorheim nukes the entire island - where King would be standing there - as well? I'd get if it's about more casual moves but Thorheim is one of the strongest moves we've seen so far. It even makes Blazing Bagua look bad.

I dunno why you’re sperging out about this Sentinel.

Blazing Bagua would work because it would overpower King’s flames & smother them.

Ancient weapons are likely above Imu himself or at least contemporaries with him. They are the biggest and oldest mcguffin in the story,

this is like being surprised Oden couldn’t break the barrier barrier fruits abilities.

 

[Ven437]

King got fed to Greenbull so Greenbull’s humiliation was even better/greater Shanks hype, so Oda could advertise film red

This is why I never fully conceded to Kidd downplay

Yes Shanks one-shotted him in that face off. But after seeing the OG use Kamusari and comparing it to the aftermath of Shanks, it's clear that the railgun blew up in Kidd's face and that multiplied the inflicted dmg onto him. Killer got caught in the explosion too as well as other members

Would Kidd be in critical condition after taking it directly? yea. Would he be KO'd? Prob not. Oda saved face for Kidd while still hyping Shanks up with this

 

[John Akainu]

King wasn’t fully healthy but wasn’t below 50% health. Probably closer to 60%-70%

This is irrelevant, these numbers are inconclusive and speculative, anyway the gap between every yc and an top tier is big and saw yesterday that beating an yc-high tier is still nothing when it comes to top tiers(even for low top tiers)

So new chapter just debuked what folks like @ShishioIsBack @Cruxroux @nik87 @HA001 @Blazing Lion been saying that current zoro is top tier and that King is the strongest high tier, and dragon dramnation attack ain't defeating a top tier.

Now answering the dumb question thread, the moment King enters Totoland, he gets bitchslaped by BMPs, i would say Kata even with some Cracker help folds King.

A mere commander ain't soloing an Yonkou crew

 

[Shikoku]

This is why I never fully conceded to Kidd downplay

Yes Shanks one-shotted him in that face off. But after seeing the OG use Kamusari and comparing it to the aftermath of Shanks, it's clear that the railgun blew up in Kidd's face and that multiplied the inflicted dmg onto him. Killer got caught in the explosion too as well as other members

Would Kidd be in critical condition after taking it directly? yea. Would he be KO'd? Prob not. Oda saved face for Kidd while still hyping Shanks up with this

Pure and utter cope. Shanks utterly annihilated the kid pirates. It was such a ridiculous stomp, there is zero room of argument here. There is only one single conclusion out of that fight:

Shanks eclipses Kid and Killer by a landslide.

You can take away the railgun but the outcome is the same. It was extreme clear portrayal

 

[Blazing Lion]

This is irrelevant, these numbers are inconclusive and speculative, anyway the gap between every yc and an top tier is big and saw yesterday that beating an yc-high tier is still nothing when it comes to top tiers(even for low top tiers)

So new chapter just debuked what folks like @ShishioIsBack @Cruxroux @nik87 @HA001 @Blazing Lion been saying that current zoro is top tier and that King is the strongest high tier, and dragon dramnation attack ain't defeating a top tier.

Now answering the dumb question thread, the moment King enters Totoland, he gets bitchslaped by BMPs, i would say Kata even with some Cracker help folds King.

A mere commander ain't soloing an Yonkou crew

Another power ranger girly retard
When BMPs conjure up Gram equivalent they can hope to damage/beat King, before that they all serve as acupuncture pins.

 

[Sentinel]

brother lanji will get acoc
katakuri doesnt have acoc are u actually dumb?
why we still talking about something katakuri doesnt posses
king without flames on is still beating him
the gap is to big in power endurance speed and coa

Bro we talk about Oda... Nothing stops him to give both Doflamingo and Katakuri some low level ACoC if they're fighting some Holy Knights. That's the advantage they have over less relevant commanders, especially since Katakuri is Big Mom's strongest child.
Maybe in power but endurance, speed and CoA? Sorry but Katakuri completely outclasses King in it. He has significantly better feats. Luffy needed G4 to overpower Katakuri's CoA guard because his CoA was simply way too weak.

So you’ll just inject your own headcanon where it fits your biases. Cause that’s what this is. As of chapter #1189, no attack has ever bypassed their defenses and Oda hasn’t put an asterisk to their abilities.

Oda gave few hints about the stance with the Lunarians. They were wiped out and the WG sure knew their real weakness - a reason why King was constantly changing between flame on/off mode even when Zoro's attacks scared him.
Headcanon is it to claim King would walk through a nuke which evaporates entire islands - because he has shown nothing comparable to that.

so you can either;
1# Go with what Oda says about them being invincible with flame on defenses, understand there will likely be some exploit or ability that can bypass them. But Oda just hasn’t revealed it yet.
2# Decide very strong characters can bypass it without proof or evidence, with big powerful attacks because of your personal bias.

Or 3# Wait till Oda shows how far their Lunarian defence can no-sell island busting attacks. It doesn't have to be black-white. Why should I rely on ridiculous no limit fallacy statements when time will tell things anyway?

Blazing Bagua would work because it would overpower King’s flames & smother them.

Wait, Blazing Bagua can potentially overpower & smother King's flames but not an attack which significantly outperforms Blazing Bagua in destructive capacity?

Again, how can you even picture King walking Thorheim off if he gets immediately crushed into the sea just from the sheer overwhelming force of a nuke which would even evaporate the island he's standing on?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

This is irrelevant, these numbers are inconclusive and speculative,

I mean yes, everything about their health status is speculative.

if you don’t want me answering a question about it don’t ask me? You’re the one who laid out a bunch of random claims at my feet.

Now answering the dumb question thread, the moment King enters Totoland, he gets bitchslaped by BMPs, i would say Kata even with some Cracker help folds King.

Obviously? kata ve King is an extreme diff match either way. Throw someone in like Flambé and that can be a fight changer.

I’m not sure if this thread means all at once or gauntlet style. If it’s the former ofc that’s a stomp. But if it’s the latter, King bulldozes the BMPs since none of them have any good counters to his abilities. Smoothie is maybe the only one who can but that’s up for debate and she doesn’t have any actual combat feats.

So king could probably go through most of them without issue up to Katakuri, but that’s the same for Marco/Kata to the other more generic Yonko crew.

 

[L57]

Bro we talk about Oda... Nothing stops him to give both Doflamingo and Katakuri some low level ACoC if they're fighting some Holy Knights. That's the advantage they have over less relevant commanders, especially since Katakuri is Big Mom's strongest child.
Maybe in power but endurance, speed and CoA? Sorry but Katakuri completely outclasses King in it. He has significantly better feats. Luffy needed G4 to overpower Katakuri's CoA guard because his CoA was simply way too weak.

why are you talking about something thay doesnt exists “ifs” “but “
we talking about their current versions
and king slams
katakuri s coa cant even come close to zoro s and king was matching his acoc to
king is to durable even in flame off
faster
stronger and hard counters the mochi with his magna fire its a one sided massacre