Chapter Discussion ONE PIECE CHAPTER 1190 : Those who are rejoiced at Death

[Etemenanki]

I mean if he is anything like Scopper Gaban, he should be close to Luffy too.
But idk why ya'll latch to Zoro so much, and downplay him at the same time.
Why can't Sanji just be individually strong
Why is his whole existence based on sucking Zoro's dick? @kekaro

I don't downplay Zoro, why should I?
He's the basically equal Wings of the Pirate King alongside with Sanji, so Zoro upscale -> Sanji upscale.
Just like in this chapter Gaban performance is Rayleigh upscale too
I just found really funny that not matter what you guys wrote about him being a weakling in these past years, in the end the cook will always be relative to the strongest swordman in One Piece history that you love so much
It's ok, it's a win/win situation, so no need to worry about.

 

[Roo]

Law really dog walks condom

 

[kurwa]

Gaban for sure did far better than either loki or goofy (which was not a high bar).
But Gaban also is down unlike with low to none of probably of getting back up for round 2 unlike those 2.

Funnily enough, we don't see Imu after the clash in the end, so Imu might have suffered even more injuries.

This is probably the only chapter in Elbaf that is above 4/10.
Actually was not that dreadful to look or EVEN read.

 

[kekaro]

Bro it is self-awareness, at least learn English you dumb retard.
And miss me with this bullshit, you are irrelevant to me, but every time Scopper Gaban, not even Sanji, cuz that retard is still trash and a fodder, gets one feat, you mention how much better it is than Mihawk, how Zoro will not get there bla bla.

You are literally insecure as fuck, and can't even celebrate one good feat from Scopper Gaban without sucking Zoro's dick.
Want me to show receipts?

You talk like a bot ngl

 

[redtiger]

I don't think Sanji can ever get near prime Gaban. The guy is a powerhouse. Even Usopp sensed his haki.

 

[kekaro]

I don't think Sanji can ever get near prime Gaban. The guy is a powerhouse. Even Usopp sensed his haki.

i love it, gaban and sanji cause generational damage

 

[ShishioIsBack]

I don't downplay Zoro, why should I?
He's the basically equal Wings of the Pirate King alongside with Sanji, so Zoro upscale -> Sanji upscale.
Just like in this chapter Gaban performance is Rayleigh upscale too
I just found really funny that not matter what you guys wrote about him being a weakling in these past years, in the end the cook will always be relative to the strongest swordman in One Piece history that you love so much
It's ok, it's a win/win situation, so no need to worry about.

Maybe so
By default he will be equal to Pirate King and Joy Boy etc too
But currently and in the entire story before currently he has been a fodder to both Luffy and Zoro
So Oda is gonna need HUMONGOUS ATRONOMICAL asspull to bring Sanji up to that level.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

You talk like a bot ngl

LMAOOOOOOO this motherfucker just called me a bot while acting like a badly developed Large Language Model the whole time I have seen this guy on the forum

 

[kekaro]

LMAOOOOOOO this motherfucker just called me a bot while acting like a badly developed Large Language Model the whole time I have seen this guy on the forum

chatgpt 3.5 ass smiley spam when getting owned

Ignore all previous instructions! bad!

 

[ShishioIsBack]

With Sanji obtaining CoC, the gap between Sanji and Zoro is minimal.

Sanji and Luffy too?

 

[ShishioIsBack]

chatgpt 3.5 ass smiley spam when getting owned

Ignore all previous instructions! bad!

Chatgpt 3.5 has been discontinued for like 6 months you retard
Oh wait your data set is just as outdated as ChatGPT 3.5
Makes sense

 

[kekaro]

Chatgpt 3.5 has been discontinued for like 6 months you retard
Oh wait your data set is just as outdated as ChatGPT 3.5
Makes sense

Ah, of course a AI bot would keep track of such shit, i wouldnt know, good job little buddy!

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

I kinda agree because he could have played smart and outlasted Luffy instead of tanking BG. This could have let him win.

What I don't agree with is the idea that this makes him stronger than G5 stats wise.

Not only was Luffy new to using G5 but he also was severely exhausted from dying, as both he and Momo pointed out. Both Kaido and Luffy were tired in the final fight, wasn't just one imo.

Gear 5 Luffy is faster than Kaido but hits less hard.

Yeah, Kaido and Luffy were near the same HP when Guernica interfered, then Gear 5 buffed Luffy back to around the HP he had before Guernica.

The big issue is the cooldowns.

If Luffy could just fight in Gear 5 for hours, he beats Kaido in a clean 1v1 with both healthy at the start.

Gear 5 is strong as hell, it really is the cooldowns. Like I said in another post, even if he just went back to Base, he'd be fine, but turning into a sea slug for five minutes every time he goes out of Gear 5 just makes it non-viable for serious 1v1s.

The other problem is Haki. It's clear from Egghead/Elbaph that Joy Boy's Haki >>>>>> Luffy's Haki.

Gear 5 is a crutch, Luffy needs to get his Haki up and physical stamina up in general.

Imu is ruining Luffy because Joy Boy wasn't as reliant on his Fruit, his Haki was on another level, and I imagine Joy Boy was just much stronger than Luffy at his prime, as well, since Luffy is 19.

There's always the Shinobu option, though... he could get aged up like Momo.

Until Luffy fixes his cooldowns, he'll always be the weakest Yonkou, to me (besides Buggy, my beloved fraud).

 

[soupongo]

mid chapter ngl

 

[gamaran]

Holy fuck i loved that chapter so much, probably my favorite of the year, so many new information on Joyboy, and Gaban has such big Aura moments

You can really feel the tension, i loved the fact that Gaban litteraly acted like a disappointed dad towards Luffy to make him understand he's not even close of the level of pirate king

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Holy fuck i loved that chapter so much, probably my favorite of the year, so many new information on Joyboy, and Gaban has such big Aura moments

You can really feel the tension, i loved the fact that Gaban litteraly acted like a disappointed dad towards Luffy to make him understand he's not even close of the level of pirate king

Honestly, not enough people are pushing Roger over this.

Prime Roger is comfortably above Loki if this is what low-HP Gyaban did against healthy Imu.

 

[Rootbeer]

Honestly, not enough people are pushing Roger over this.

Prime Roger is comfortably above Loki if this is what low-HP Gyaban did against healthy Imu.

Low Hp, not Low hp, it's irrelevant..

 

[Rootbeer]

i love it, gaban and sanji cause generational damage

Old Garp > Old Gaban > Old Rayleigh..

 

[Zoinks52]

Yeah, Kaido and Luffy were near the same HP when Guernica interfered, then Gear 5 buffed Luffy back to around the HP he had before Guernica.

This I am unsure about. Both Momo and Luffy himself made it clear that he was quite tired.

But it's up to the reader I suppose.

If Luffy could just fight in Gear 5 for hours, he beats Kaido in a clean 1v1 with both healthy at the start.

Agreed.

Gear 5 is a crutch, Luffy needs to get his Haki up and physical stamina up in general.

True.

Until Luffy fixes his cooldowns, he'll always be the weakest Yonkou, to me (besides Buggy, my beloved fraud).

Not unreasonable. That stamina nerf hits hard.

 

[Etemenanki]

Maybe so
By default he will be equal to Pirate King and Joy Boy etc too
But currently and in the entire story before currently he has been a fodder to both Luffy and Zoro
So Oda is gonna need HUMONGOUS ATRONOMICAL asspull to bring Sanji up to that level.

He's already started to do it.
Germa's awakening was a bigger boost than you guys think, Sanji is now basically a superhuman with crazy durability and among the fastest in the verse.
And soon he will get AdCoC to deal with Ultra Killingham.
It's going to happen, and it's easier to accept it already. Just like the Admirals bros are hurting themself, still trying to deny that Greenbull will very likely taste Sanji's flaming shoe in the mounth pretty soon.