[FNZ] Salem of Lies TOS II: Salem's New Threat

[Flower]

There isn't a coven leader role anymore in ToS. Instead there are 3 power roles which, I used Hex Master.

Then there are 3 killing roles.

4 Deception roles.

5 Utility roles.

Yeah. I think the CL utility is now split between Archmage and Witch iirc. Though I do think it would be cool to have the old Witch role back outside of Coven because having an Anti Town Survivor always made games more fun. Especially when roles like Jailor were revealed and the Witch could just help scums out.

 

[Lord Melkor]

There isn't a coven leader role anymore in ToS. Instead there are 3 power roles which, I used Hex Master.

Then there are 3 killing roles.

4 Deception roles.

5 Utility roles.

I saw your concerns in the chat earlier that scum was too weak in this setup, but they were not mislynches and coven was very close to winning anyway. And they did not even get a kill via ritualist.

 

[Lord Melkor]

And congrats @Flower very good game from you and I remember you were struggling as indies in the past. But it seems no longer.

 

[Zemmi]

Yeah. I think the CL utility is now split between Archmage and Witch iirc. Though I do think it would be cool to have the old Witch role back outside of Coven because having an Anti Town Survivor always made games more fun. Especially when roles like Jailor were revealed and the Witch could just help scums out.

They've taken away roles like survivor and, other win with situations.

Now, like Jester, with a win for the neutrals they all leave the game. There is doomsayer, exe, Jester and Pirate and upon reaching their wincon they leave the game.

 

[Zemmi]

I saw your concerns in the chat earlier that scum was too weak in this setup, but they were not mislynches and coven was very close to winning anyway. And they did not even get a kill via ritualist.

Indeed, I was worried about some of the town roles like prosecutor and the Vig.

Town could've lynched 3 people in a single day as long as the first prosecutor lynch wasn't town. Also coven, doesn't have any type of defense at night, so they can easily be killed by shroud or Vig, but none of those scenarios played out.

 

[Flower]

They've taken away roles like survivor and, other win with situations.

Now, like Jester, with a win for the neutrals they all leave the game. There is doomsayer, exe, Jester and Pirate and upon reaching their wincon they leave the game.

Yeah, we definitely need those back imo. Maybe strengthen them a little like making the Survivor‘s vest a powerful barrier instead. Also I think Amnesiac being fully Town overlaps with the Retributionist since they can both use dead roles, so I would just make Amne Neutral Benign again.

 

[Zemmi]

Yeah, we definitely need those back imo. Maybe strengthen them a little like making the Survivor‘s vest a powerful barrier instead. Also I think Amnesiac being fully Town overlaps with the Retributionist since they can both use dead roles, so I would just make Amne Neutral Benign again.

The amnesiac change I hate the most.

In ToS, when Ruffles became Pestilence, SAD and Nick both remembered Suvivor

 

[Lord Melkor]

Indeed, I was worried about some of the town roles like prosecutor and the Vig.

Town could've lynched 3 people in a single day as long as the first prosecutor lynch wasn't town. Also coven, doesn't have any type of defense at night, so they can easily be killed by shroud or Vig, but none of those scenarios played out.

But they had Potion Master and Poisoner that could prevent kills on them, right?

But yes, Prosecutor being able to lynch someone should be one shot i think.

 

[Flower]

The amnesiac change I hate the most.

In ToS, when Ruffles became Pestilence, SAD and Nick both remembered Suvivor

Yeah, I played that game 😂. I think it’s just more fun with some of the older versions. At least with Forum Format. We should just combine ToS 1 and 2 imo. Keep the Mafia faction and strengthen them + make some new roles, bring back old Town roles like Transporter. Escort and Doc are sadly gone and replaced by Tavern Keeper and Cleric respectively. Also I wouldn’t give the Horsemen a full chat because their roles feel too broken. I would just let them know who the others are, but not give them a chat to coordinate actions.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

I saw your concerns in the chat earlier that scum was too weak in this setup, but they were not mislynches and coven was very close to winning anyway. And they did not even get a kill via ritualist.

I think our early Ritualist kill- was a big setback. D2 many players had claimed and if we had Ritualist we could've gotten additional kills. Whispering had let town to coordinate well with each other and inactivity caused us to stand out/Poe by D2 only.

The game continued till last moment because town weren't lucky with the night actions. I think only one kill was blocked at Muugen by town. Vig shot a town only and Vet failed to lure scum to them. Prosecutor also lynched a town, while Shroud and Mafia continued to pull through kills (safe kills).

 

[Zemmi]

But they had Potion Master and Poisoner that could prevent kills on them, right?

But yes, Prosecutor being able to lynch someone should be one shot i think.

Yeah they did, But I was contrasting it with ToS 1 when they gained basic defense, which they don't get here.

I think overall the game worked out okish.

I probably would've still turned the Jester into a support/protect town.

 

[Zemmi]

I do wonder how Coven would've felt if 3 of them were lynched on D2 or 3. I think they would hate me. haha

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

I do wonder how Coven would've felt if 3 of them were lynched on D2 or 3. I think they would hate me. haha

Noami would spite kill us next few games lol.​

 

[Yoho]

I do wonder how Coven would've felt if 3 of them were lynched on D2 or 3. I think they would hate me. haha

Nah i wouldn't have minded you can't control who town decides to lynch

 

[Flower]

Yeah they did, But I was contrasting it with ToS 1 when they gained basic defense, which they don't get here.

I think overall the game worked out okish.

I probably would've still turned the Jester into a support/protect town.

Honestly one more Town would have lowkey made it too Town sided I feel 😂

 

[Zemmi]

Honestly one more Town would have lowkey made it too Town sided I feel 😂

Not being familar with the roles, like I was ToS 1, is likely making me overthink.

I don't like the idea anyone might think it was unfair in one direction or another and I want to do better if I host again.

 

[Flower]

Not being familar with the roles, like I was ToS 1, is likely making me overthink.

I don't like the idea anyone might think it was unfair in one direction or another and I want to do better if I host again.

Jester was fine. The punishment sucks, but it is what it is lol.

Also fun fact, when I won as Pestilence, another Serial type win, back in 2021 there was also a Jester win xD.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Me: Shit, I killed Hayumi directly, I can’t say I tracked him. Gotta just say my action failed!
Me in thread: My Action failed when I was on Yo Tan!
Fuji: But nobody visited you.
Me: Shit I‘m caught! Gotta make shit up now!
Whisper to Fuji and Worst to make it super hard believable (not): It‘s an FPS guys I swear! I‘ll reveal my result later! There might be a Wildling and the reaction test won’t work if I just claim it now, after all!

If i am not wrong, Smog was actually used on me that night. So had you visited us, your ability would've still failed.

One more reason why Coven didn't think you were shroud.

 

[Flower]

If i am not wrong, Smog was actually used on me that night. So had you visited us, your ability would've still failed.

One more reason why Coven didn't think you were shroud.

Really LMFAOOOO.

Oh god, that’s actually hilarious 😂😂😂

 

[Zemmi]

If people are interested, and if no one is hosting after Fuji's game is over, I can attempt to host another.