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Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
Flower, regardless of my opinion on the lynch, this is not an ok thing to do.
yes your sisromance is adorable and all but unless you have solid reasoning why killing her won’t benefit town, you can’t just expect people to spare her because of your personal feelings towards her, she is an indie, a natural killing one, we have no other lynch target except for maybe orca. separate your gameplay from your friendship
The reasoning is what I gave you earlier, but to give you the TLDR:
-Naomi had no impetus to claim indie but did = more likely to be a genuine claim
-Fuji games, and most games even, treat an indie lynch as half a mislynch. This means that if you pursue it, you do risk advancing your condition for your own defeat. There are exceptions to all things, but it's generally only worth it if you think there is a reasonable chance that the player is scummier than they are indie-like. This means you take the "risk" of losing an indie because you think they might be scum. If you lynch someone you think is likely to flip indie, you're essentially conceding the lynch for that day. There are cases where that is optimal, but day 1? I don't think we're there yet.
 

Yoho

Not Very Well-known Member
You know this isn't really going to fly. Top 3 town and top 3 scum - go.
my main scum suspects rn

Ali- I think he's just trying to latch onto any lynch he can get, when he couldn't get a bite on me he switched to flower and started pushing her, and he wanted to gather in Cairo which why that specific location, also haven't seen anything that screams townie from this slot

Muugen- Him and Flower play this husband wife argument game pretty much every time they play together that's not why he's on the list he's on the list because it feels like he's trying to align himself with Ali, I may have missed it but I don't recall him really pushing Flower until Ali started to.

One of the low posters- can't say which one but statiscally there's at least one scum within low posters but the vig or serial killer can handle those

Top 3 town? idk I really don't bother trying to find town, either i think you're scum or I don't i prefer to gather my suspects and investigate them than go through trying to read each indiviual person in the game.
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
Just make sure to give your scum reads before you dip into the horizon. I feel you as town as well.
if you flip scum, whatever tiny remaining particle of trust i have for you will forever die
So far the only player I'm feeling particularly co fident on being scum is Melkor. Orca I think is scummy in his own right too and could see him faking it.

By and large I'm generally more interested in my town reads than my scum ones. It's much more effective to find townies than it is to try and find scum when the overall scum play level here is... not the highest you will find to put it politely. My goal really here is, well, as the game goes on things get lost, so by explaining my reasoning now I hope later in the game someone can come back to this and find the right answers. So I would say, please do consider my scum reads, but really please do consider my town ones too.
 

Ali v2

No regret, yet, every regret.
my main scum suspects rn

Ali- I think he's just trying to latch onto any lynch he can get, when he couldn't get a bite on me he switched to flower and started pushing her, and he wanted to gather in Cairo which why that specific location, also haven't seen anything that screams townie from this slot

Muugen- Him and Flower play this husband wife argument game pretty much every time they play together that's not why he's on the list he's on the list because it feels like he's trying to align himself with Ali, I may have missed it but I don't recall him really pushing Flower until Ali started to.

One of the low posters- can't say which one but statiscally there's at least one scum within low posters but the vig or serial killer can handle those

Top 3 town? idk I really don't bother trying to find town, either i think you're scum or I don't i prefer to gather my suspects and investigate them than go through trying to read each indiviual person in the game.
Yoho I honestly can’t thank you enough for how much you genuinely make me laugh, it’s 2:40 am right now and I almost laughed my ass out and woke everyone up reading you post, no malicious intent or trolling, I sincerely appreciate you and think you are a gem 💎
 
The question at the end of all this though, is "does this make her scum". Ultimately it doesn't matter what you think about her actions or logic, the only thing that matters is whether you think she's scum or not. And reading between the lines here, I don't think you think she's scum.

As for Naomi, I only have the gist of it but I'd be far sooner inclined to lynch Orca before her. With Naomi, there was no pressing reason to claim Indie, which means we can essentially rule out it being a gam it she's made to deter suspicion on her slot. Her win con is neutral, it shouldn't end the game and we have no incentive to offer anything to her beyond us not lynching her. That can change as and when and if she becomes more of a town threat then we can address that, her being a known quantity helps with that endeavour.

Compare this to Orca who is trying to call lynches, hasn't been forthcoming about his wincon, has claimed when it's somewhat out of character... which of the two is more likely to have a nefarious agenda?

That's my reasoning, anyway. As I said in one of my first posts, my aim is mostly to have guiding thoughts down as I'm not going to be able to play the crux of the game, most likely. I can't tell you what the solve is and what you should listen to. I just hope my reasoning is followable. For what it's worth, I do think you're town - I think as scum you'd be much less stubborn in your arguments.
Ah this post. @Ali v2 yeah I just skimmed it and didn't read it fully until now.

But wow, y'all be listening to Ratchet and not me. I clearly asked Muugen if he wanted to lynch Flower because of the way she played or if it was because he truly believed she was scum.

Y'all suck :few:
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
my main scum suspects rn

Ali- I think he's just trying to latch onto any lynch he can get, when he couldn't get a bite on me he switched to flower and started pushing her, and he wanted to gather in Cairo which why that specific location, also haven't seen anything that screams townie from this slot

Muugen- Him and Flower play this husband wife argument game pretty much every time they play together that's not why he's on the list he's on the list because it feels like he's trying to align himself with Ali, I may have missed it but I don't recall him really pushing Flower until Ali started to.

One of the low posters- can't say which one but statiscally there's at least one scum within low posters but the vig or serial killer can handle those

Top 3 town? idk I really don't bother trying to find town, either i think you're scum or I don't i prefer to gather my suspects and investigate them than go through trying to read each indiviual person in the game.
Hmm, what to make of you basically having divergent reads to me completely...

I will just say, I think you are not playing as well as you can do here Yoho. Not really on my radar for today and if I try really hard I would say I'd expect a little more of a consensus table here if you were scum, but it's not enough for me to commit to any sort of town read on you. Please step it up.
 

Yoho

Not Very Well-known Member
Hmm, what to make of you basically having divergent reads to me completely...

I will just say, I think you are not playing as well as you can do here Yoho. Not really on my radar for today and if I try really hard I would say I'd expect a little more of a consensus table here if you were scum, but it's not enough for me to commit to any sort of town read on you. Please step it up.
:josad: Sir Ratchet always sound like a disappointed father,

I gotcha I'll lock in
 
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