Role Madness Jojo's Bizzare Adventure Mafia
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Grand. So the reality is with high scum numbers there are even less reasons to believe that Flower is trying to fake claim vig. Because if scum have numbers such that town do not even start with a majority, it means it's unlikely that scum have extra kills, kills that they can use to facilitate a vig fake claim. Before I continue, with multiscum the angle for scum is to push each other in thread and aim for town at night. This is to thin the town numbers to force them to essentially concede the game, then they can finish off what is left of the other team. In a straight shootout, the team with the larger number wins. So even if you think they do have extra kills, these kills would generally want to be kept secret so they can bank them later. In other words... Flower claiming vig runs counter to that.
Now, moving onto the next part. If we accept that scum fake kills aren't a plausible line of suspicion here, then the only path Flower, fake claiming vig, has left is to claim a factional kill as her own. The problem with this though is that there will never be more kills than the expected, which means her kill never gets proven. Moreover, even if she just wants to get by for a day or two, it means she's forced to use the scum factional not on power roles, not on dangerous players, not on threats to their win con, but on PoE players whose being solved helps town find the answers. Inactives, scummy players, dodgy indie claims... these are who Flower would have to remove with the scum kill to evidence her own kill.
I think you've probably picked up on this by the time you've reached this part, but allow me to get to the point. In all of the above, the benefits Flower enjoys for being "proven vig" are far outweighed by the losses her team has to take to facilitate the fake claim. Clearing PoE helps town, after all. And when it really comes down to it, even with all this it's not like Flower gets a lifetime pass through the game. Eventually people will start asking why the vig is getting to live when other players are dying, why scum are letting the vig shoot without interference. Eventually town will settle on Flower fake claiming, and Flower having to shoot PoE will only accelerate that outcome.
To bring this all together, Flower is a good mechanic player. Regardless of what you think about her on every other metric, that part cannot be denied. So what are the chances really of her faking this sort of role, knowing how harsh the drawbacks are to it?
It's not impossible. As I've told you, I've done it before myself. More than once. But that requires very specific game setups and gambits, and in one case the claim was only ever to do short term damage for my scum mates to clean up after I die. And I was indeed lynched in that game. So with all of this considered, can you still argue with me that she's the lynch we should be pursuing today? If so, I'd be impressed to hear it.
Now, moving onto the next part. If we accept that scum fake kills aren't a plausible line of suspicion here, then the only path Flower, fake claiming vig, has left is to claim a factional kill as her own. The problem with this though is that there will never be more kills than the expected, which means her kill never gets proven. Moreover, even if she just wants to get by for a day or two, it means she's forced to use the scum factional not on power roles, not on dangerous players, not on threats to their win con, but on PoE players whose being solved helps town find the answers. Inactives, scummy players, dodgy indie claims... these are who Flower would have to remove with the scum kill to evidence her own kill.
I think you've probably picked up on this by the time you've reached this part, but allow me to get to the point. In all of the above, the benefits Flower enjoys for being "proven vig" are far outweighed by the losses her team has to take to facilitate the fake claim. Clearing PoE helps town, after all. And when it really comes down to it, even with all this it's not like Flower gets a lifetime pass through the game. Eventually people will start asking why the vig is getting to live when other players are dying, why scum are letting the vig shoot without interference. Eventually town will settle on Flower fake claiming, and Flower having to shoot PoE will only accelerate that outcome.
To bring this all together, Flower is a good mechanic player. Regardless of what you think about her on every other metric, that part cannot be denied. So what are the chances really of her faking this sort of role, knowing how harsh the drawbacks are to it?
It's not impossible. As I've told you, I've done it before myself. More than once. But that requires very specific game setups and gambits, and in one case the claim was only ever to do short term damage for my scum mates to clean up after I die. And I was indeed lynched in that game. So with all of this considered, can you still argue with me that she's the lynch we should be pursuing today? If so, I'd be impressed to hear it.
And ended up being shroud, and if you remember she also claimed d1 and even gave actions, she fluffed like she is fluffing now and never solved anything, she didn’t even commit to push for me after I fucked up my role, this is scum flower, paranoid, scared, does not want to be the center of attention.