Controversial General Political Discussion

[Roo]

Come on though man 99.9% of stockholders aren't workers

715,000 active 401(k) plans operating across the United States. While only a small fraction of all registered small businesses sponsor a plan, large corporations skew the numbers: roughly 79% of American workers are employed by a company that offers a 401(k)-style retirement plan. [1, 2]

literally most americans are stockholders lol

And the argument that capitalism is exploitative comes in big part from the extraction of surplus value capitalists do

yeah based off industrial revolution working conditions. We live in 2026 where 1 man can create a successful small business and not rely on 80 work hours a week at a factory paying him 1 cent an hour

 

[Blax Blah]

715,000 active 401(k) plans operating across the United States. While only a small fraction of all registered small businesses sponsor a plan, large corporations skew the numbers: roughly 79% of American workers are employed by a company that offers a 401(k)-style retirement plan. [1, 2]

literally most americans are stockholders lol

yeah based off industrial revolution working conditions. We live in 2026 where 1 man can create a successful small business and not rely on 80 work hours a week at a factory paying him 1 cent an hour

This is ridiculous dude, 99.9% of stocks are NOT owned by workers

I didn't say 99.9% of workers aren't tiny stockholders

I said 99.9% of stockholders AREN'T workers


Or more specifically, 99.9% is NOT owned by people who work for a living

 

[Logiko]

It is an extreme reduction to make your "capitalism bad" point.

Capitalism is exploitative by nature. So yeah. Capitalism bad.

 

[Roo]

This is ridiculous dude, 99.9% of stocks are NOT owned by workers

I didn't say 99.9% of workers aren't tiny stockholders

I said 99.9% of stockholders AREN'T workers


Or more specifically, 99.9% is NOT owned by people who work for a living

if you cant engage with the reality that most americans hold capital of some sort then you want a vibes based argument and idc for those

Like I said, don't engage in strawmans

 

[Blax Blah]

715,000 active 401(k) plans operating across the United States. While only a small fraction of all registered small businesses sponsor a plan, large corporations skew the numbers: roughly 79% of American workers are employed by a company that offers a 401(k)-style retirement plan. [1, 2]

literally most americans are stockholders lol

yeah based off industrial revolution working conditions. We live in 2026 where 1 man can create a successful small business and not rely on 80 work hours a week at a factory paying him 1 cent an hour

This is like peasants owning their homes

Yeah man you own your home, but 99.9% of the space, is owned by lords who get their wealth by extracting the value you produce by working the land

 

[Roo]

Capitalism is exploitative by nature. So yeah. Capitalism bad.

I believe religion bad, I will never do a lazy interpretation of the pro religion argument

its just lazy intellectually

 

[Blax Blah]

if you cant engage with the reality that most americans hold capital of some sort then you want a vibes based argument and idc for those

Like I said, don't engage in strawmans

I think you did not understand my message

99.9% of stock in a company is NOT owned by workers, it IS owned by people whose wealth comes PURELY from owning capital

 

[Roo]

99.9% of stock in a company is NOT owned by workers, it IS owned by people whose wealth comes PURELY from owning capital

again that's just an oversimplification, most companies are not owned by this caricature of capitalist you have. A lot do have a share ownership structure or are owned by stockholders such as 401k holders

 

[Blax Blah]

Let me find a meme, I'll try to find it, it describes your argument perfectly @Roo


I guess it makes sense because you mentioned supporting libertarianism specifically before





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It was a libertarian meme of a guy saying

"Of course I believe in owning the means of production, I just bought some stock this morning"

And socialists replied

"I bought a pile of sand, I practically own the whole beach!"

 

[Blax Blah]

again that's just an oversimplification, most companies are not owned by this caricature of capitalist you have. A lot do have a share ownership structure or are owned by stockholders such as 401k holders

Yes they are owned that way

 

[Roo]

Let me find a meme, I'll try to find it, it describes your argument perfectly @Roo


I guess it makes sense because you mentioned supporting libertarianism specifically before





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It was a libertarian meme of a guy saying

"Of course I believe in owning the means of production, I just bought some stock this morning"

And socialists replied

"I bought a pile of sand, I practically own the whole beach!"

I am not a libertarian

I just a good old modern liberal who believes in a strong welfare state

 

[Logiko]

I believe religion bad, I will never do a lazy interpretation of the pro religion argument

its just lazy intellectually

I don't really know what you intend with this message but capitalism is a structure of exploitation, by nature, it can't be "intertepreted" differently, it will always lead to exploitation and oppression, it's structural.

Capitalism leads to the fear of proletarisation which lead to the need to always produce more with less. This principle leads to the hierarchization of society based on capitals, imperialism and colonialism.

 

[Blax Blah]

I am not a libertarian

I just a good old modern liberal who believes in a strong welfare state

If things were like you're implying, america would be in a socialist economy, workers would own their companies and make the decisions democratically

How many workers go to stockholder meetings and vote?

0


Why?

Because the working class owning 00.01% of a company is irelevant

 

[Roo]

I don't really know what you intend with this message .

then why even engage with my reply retard

 

[Logiko]

then why even engage with my reply retard

Because you seem to be a liberal and it is my job to counter your arguments and question your political belief system

 

[Roo]

If things were like you're implying, america would be in a socialist economy, workers would own their companies and make the decisions democratically

The good thing there's nothing stopping Americans from doing so, you can set up your own worker owned company

be the change you want in the world

 

[Roo]

Because you seem to be a liberal and it is my job to counter your arguments.

By completely sidestepping what I'm saying to push your propaganda?

 

[Logiko]

By completely sidestepping what I'm saying to engage in your propaganda?

No. I'm simply taking a sentence out of context in order to recenter the debate on what is important:

Capitalism structurally leads to proletarization and exploitation of people and ressources. No form of liberalism and reformism will be able to change that.

 

[Blax Blah]

The good thing there's nothing stopping Americans from doing so, you can set up your own worker owned company

be the change you want in the world

Socialist praxis

But so what I said in the explanation of capitalism and socialism wasn't a mistake

 

[Roo]

No. I'm simply taking a sentence out of context in order to recenter the debate on what is important:

You are replying to my comment to specifically not enagage with it at all and instead push your propaganda

You treat your ideology as a religion and it's cringe, see reasons why think so in the page before