General & Others Feats never mattered. Stop it
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This insane amount of damage control is happening because old, injured Gaban outperformed “the man who beat Kaido”, got hyped up by top 1 in the verse a couple times and absolutely shat all over Prime Oden’s feats.
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This insane amount of damage control is happening because old, injured Gaban outperformed “the man who beat Kaido”, got hyped up by top 1 in the verse a couple times and absolutely shat all over Prime Oden’s feats.
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Like I already said the only time feats matter is when there are statements to back it up. Feats alone don’t mean anything at all
There’s a difference between
That being a sentence is crazy
What fact tells you that Gaban is weaker? Their portrayal is literally being equal with Gaban even having better feats…
Right hand, silver, and vice captain > left hand, copper, and not vice captain
It’s not rocket science
Sword skill is skill with a sword
All Shanks has to do is throw a kick as a part of his main fighting style and suddenly the wss means nothing
And it’s not like Oda hasn’t given any hints a there being more to Shanks than his sword skill
Oda is even carful with him never outright stated Mihawk is overall stronger than Shanks. Just that his sword skill is greater
Shanks twin brother even has a zoan sword called Cerberus
There’s a difference between
- It being stated character A is about to do something better than character B or even character A is so strong they can do [blank]
- Just random action feats
That being a sentence is crazy
What fact tells you that Gaban is weaker? Their portrayal is literally being equal with Gaban even having better feats…
It’s not rocket science
whats this overall strenght ?
swordsmanship includes speed,attack speed ,reaction time,durability,endurance, coo coa coc etc
swordsmanship includes speed,attack speed ,reaction time,durability,endurance, coo coa coc etc
All Shanks has to do is throw a kick as a part of his main fighting style and suddenly the wss means nothing
And it’s not like Oda hasn’t given any hints a there being more to Shanks than his sword skill
Oda is even carful with him never outright stated Mihawk is overall stronger than Shanks. Just that his sword skill is greater
Shanks twin brother even has a zoan sword called Cerberus
Like I already said the only time feats matter is when there are statements to back it up. Feats alone don’t mean anything at all
There’s a difference between
Right hand, silver, and vice captain > left hand, copper, and not vice captain
It’s not rocket science
Sword skill is skill with a sword
All Shanks has to do is throw a kick as a part of his main fighting style and suddenly the wss means nothing
And it’s not like Oda hasn’t given any hints a there being more to Shanks than his sword skill
Oda is even carful with him never outright stated Mihawk is overall stronger than Shanks. Just that his sword skill is greater
Shanks twin brother even has a zoan sword called Cerberus
There’s a difference between
- It being stated character A is about to do something better than character B or even character A is so strong they can do [blank]
- Just random action feats
Right hand, silver, and vice captain > left hand, copper, and not vice captain
It’s not rocket science
Sword skill is skill with a sword
All Shanks has to do is throw a kick as a part of his main fighting style and suddenly the wss means nothing
And it’s not like Oda hasn’t given any hints a there being more to Shanks than his sword skill
Oda is even carful with him never outright stated Mihawk is overall stronger than Shanks. Just that his sword skill is greater
Shanks twin brother even has a zoan sword called Cerberus
also "shanks throwing one kick means he's not a swordsman" is funny considering mihawk's introduction was literally him fucking around with a little butter knife and we've seen zoro fight without a sword multiple times
Like I already said the only time feats matter is when there are statements to back it up. Feats alone don’t mean anything at all
There’s a difference between
Right hand, silver, and vice captain > left hand, copper, and not vice captain
It’s not rocket science
Sword skill is skill with a sword
All Shanks has to do is throw a kick as a part of his main fighting style and suddenly the wss means nothing
And it’s not like Oda hasn’t given any hints a there being more to Shanks than his sword skill
Oda is even carful with him never outright stated Mihawk is overall stronger than Shanks. Just that his sword skill is greater
Shanks twin brother even has a zoan sword called Cerberus
There’s a difference between
- It being stated character A is about to do something better than character B or even character A is so strong they can do [blank]
- Just random action feats
Right hand, silver, and vice captain > left hand, copper, and not vice captain
It’s not rocket science
Sword skill is skill with a sword
All Shanks has to do is throw a kick as a part of his main fighting style and suddenly the wss means nothing
And it’s not like Oda hasn’t given any hints a there being more to Shanks than his sword skill
Oda is even carful with him never outright stated Mihawk is overall stronger than Shanks. Just that his sword skill is greater
Shanks twin brother even has a zoan sword called Cerberus
I dont agree that feats only matter when they're accompanied by explicit statements. Thats an assertion. Prove it true.
Like I already said the only time feats matter is when there are statements to back it up. Feats alone don’t mean anything at all
There’s a difference between
Right hand, silver, and vice captain > left hand, copper, and not vice captain
It’s not rocket science
Sword skill is skill with a sword
All Shanks has to do is throw a kick as a part of his main fighting style and suddenly the wss means nothing
And it’s not like Oda hasn’t given any hints a there being more to Shanks than his sword skill
Oda is even carful with him never outright stated Mihawk is overall stronger than Shanks. Just that his sword skill is greater
Shanks twin brother even has a zoan sword called Cerberus
There’s a difference between
- It being stated character A is about to do something better than character B or even character A is so strong they can do [blank]
- Just random action feats
Right hand, silver, and vice captain > left hand, copper, and not vice captain
It’s not rocket science
Sword skill is skill with a sword
All Shanks has to do is throw a kick as a part of his main fighting style and suddenly the wss means nothing
And it’s not like Oda hasn’t given any hints a there being more to Shanks than his sword skill
Oda is even carful with him never outright stated Mihawk is overall stronger than Shanks. Just that his sword skill is greater
Shanks twin brother even has a zoan sword called Cerberus
arent you a dumb clown?
is nusjuro a swordsman?
We’ve seen a total of 1 attacks from Shanks
Also if you’re going to quote a post read the damn post
It’s extreme cap to act like Sanji pre onigashima had comparable feats to Zoro. Hell feat wise alone people were still arguing that Zoro’s feats shit on Sanji’s post onigashima too
The proof is
It took a single King punch from king for Zoro to realize he isn’t a “real” swordsman despite being capable of swordsman
Zoro even complained about his lack of sword usage
King even at 1 point gave Zoro a short sword duel to show off his skill
Both Zoro and King are capable of punching the difference is Zoro’s fighting style resolves around swordsmanship while swordsmanship is just a part of king’s arsenal
Anything that enhances one’s swordsmanship is obviously still swordsmanship. Abilities that don’t or are completely separate obviously aren’t
Also in Rayleigh’s case we genuinely don’t know due to us barely seeing him in action. He could potentially mix it up or mainly just rely on swordsmanship
Nusjuro did bite Sanji once but he definitely seems to be a devout swordsman. Just like how while Zoro is capable of attacking without his blades we know he relies on them to fight
Also if you’re going to quote a post read the damn post
And it’s not like Oda hasn’t given any hints a there being more to Shanks than his sword skill
Oda is even carful with him never outright stated Mihawk is overall stronger than Shanks. Just that his sword skill is greater
Shanks twin brother even has a zoan sword called Cerberus
Oda is even carful with him never outright stated Mihawk is overall stronger than Shanks. Just that his sword skill is greater
Shanks twin brother even has a zoan sword called Cerberus
It’s extreme cap to act like Sanji pre onigashima had comparable feats to Zoro. Hell feat wise alone people were still arguing that Zoro’s feats shit on Sanji’s post onigashima too
The proof is
- Zoro and Sanji being comparable even pre onigashima despite feats
- Blackbeard and Big Mom being comparable to Shanks and Kaido despite feats
- Kid and Law being comparable despite feats
- Rayleigh being stronger yet comparable to Gaban despite feats
so like this?
arent you a dumb clown?
is nusjuro a swordsman?
arent you a dumb clown?
is nusjuro a swordsman?
Zoro even complained about his lack of sword usage
King even at 1 point gave Zoro a short sword duel to show off his skill
Both Zoro and King are capable of punching the difference is Zoro’s fighting style resolves around swordsmanship while swordsmanship is just a part of king’s arsenal
Anything that enhances one’s swordsmanship is obviously still swordsmanship. Abilities that don’t or are completely separate obviously aren’t
Also in Rayleigh’s case we genuinely don’t know due to us barely seeing him in action. He could potentially mix it up or mainly just rely on swordsmanship
Nusjuro did bite Sanji once but he definitely seems to be a devout swordsman. Just like how while Zoro is capable of attacking without his blades we know he relies on them to fight
We’ve seen a total of 1 attacks from Shanks
Also if you’re going to quote a post read the damn post
It’s extreme cap to act like Sanji pre onigashima had comparable feats to Zoro. Hell feat wise alone people were still arguing that Zoro’s feats shit on Sanji’s post onigashima too
The proof is
It took a single King punch from king for Zoro to realize he isn’t a “real” swordsman despite being capable of swordsman
Zoro even complained about his lack of sword usage
King even at 1 point gave Zoro a short sword duel to show off his skill
Both Zoro and King are capable of punching the difference is Zoro’s fighting style resolves around swordsmanship while swordsmanship is just a part of king’s arsenal
Anything that enhances one’s swordsmanship is obviously still swordsmanship. Abilities that don’t or are completely separate obviously aren’t
Also in Rayleigh’s case we genuinely don’t know due to us barely seeing him in action. He could potentially mix it up or mainly just rely on swordsmanship
Nusjuro did bite Sanji once but he definitely seems to be a devout swordsman. Just like how while Zoro is capable of attacking without his blades we know he relies on them to fight
Also if you’re going to quote a post read the damn post
It’s extreme cap to act like Sanji pre onigashima had comparable feats to Zoro. Hell feat wise alone people were still arguing that Zoro’s feats shit on Sanji’s post onigashima too
The proof is
- Zoro and Sanji being comparable even pre onigashima despite feats
- Blackbeard and Big Mom being comparable to Shanks and Kaido despite feats
- Kid and Law being comparable despite feats
- Rayleigh being stronger yet comparable to Gaban despite feats
It took a single King punch from king for Zoro to realize he isn’t a “real” swordsman despite being capable of swordsman
Zoro even complained about his lack of sword usage
King even at 1 point gave Zoro a short sword duel to show off his skill
Both Zoro and King are capable of punching the difference is Zoro’s fighting style resolves around swordsmanship while swordsmanship is just a part of king’s arsenal
Anything that enhances one’s swordsmanship is obviously still swordsmanship. Abilities that don’t or are completely separate obviously aren’t
Also in Rayleigh’s case we genuinely don’t know due to us barely seeing him in action. He could potentially mix it up or mainly just rely on swordsmanship
Nusjuro did bite Sanji once but he definitely seems to be a devout swordsman. Just like how while Zoro is capable of attacking without his blades we know he relies on them to fight
king used a dirty trick where he took away zoro's swords with a swordbreaker
and this is after king did multiple attacks where he didn't use a sword before
king also clearly doesn't have a specific sword style either
not at all comparable to what he said
We’ve seen a total of 1 attacks from Shanks
Also if you’re going to quote a post read the damn post
It’s extreme cap to act like Sanji pre onigashima had comparable feats to Zoro. Hell feat wise alone people were still arguing that Zoro’s feats shit on Sanji’s post onigashima too
The proof is
It took a single King punch from king for Zoro to realize he isn’t a “real” swordsman despite being capable of swordsman
Zoro even complained about his lack of sword usage
King even at 1 point gave Zoro a short sword duel to show off his skill
Both Zoro and King are capable of punching the difference is Zoro’s fighting style resolves around swordsmanship while swordsmanship is just a part of king’s arsenal
Anything that enhances one’s swordsmanship is obviously still swordsmanship. Abilities that don’t or are completely separate obviously aren’t
Also in Rayleigh’s case we genuinely don’t know due to us barely seeing him in action. He could potentially mix it up or mainly just rely on swordsmanship
Nusjuro did bite Sanji once but he definitely seems to be a devout swordsman. Just like how while Zoro is capable of attacking without his blades we know he relies on them to fight
Also if you’re going to quote a post read the damn post
It’s extreme cap to act like Sanji pre onigashima had comparable feats to Zoro. Hell feat wise alone people were still arguing that Zoro’s feats shit on Sanji’s post onigashima too
The proof is
- Zoro and Sanji being comparable even pre onigashima despite feats
- Blackbeard and Big Mom being comparable to Shanks and Kaido despite feats
- Kid and Law being comparable despite feats
- Rayleigh being stronger yet comparable to Gaban despite feats
It took a single King punch from king for Zoro to realize he isn’t a “real” swordsman despite being capable of swordsman
Zoro even complained about his lack of sword usage
King even at 1 point gave Zoro a short sword duel to show off his skill
Both Zoro and King are capable of punching the difference is Zoro’s fighting style resolves around swordsmanship while swordsmanship is just a part of king’s arsenal
Anything that enhances one’s swordsmanship is obviously still swordsmanship. Abilities that don’t or are completely separate obviously aren’t
Also in Rayleigh’s case we genuinely don’t know due to us barely seeing him in action. He could potentially mix it up or mainly just rely on swordsmanship
Nusjuro did bite Sanji once but he definitely seems to be a devout swordsman. Just like how while Zoro is capable of attacking without his blades we know he relies on them to fight
We’ve seen a total of 1 attacks from Shanks
Also if you’re going to quote a post read the damn post
It’s extreme cap to act like Sanji pre onigashima had comparable feats to Zoro. Hell feat wise alone people were still arguing that Zoro’s feats shit on Sanji’s post onigashima too
The proof is
It took a single King punch from king for Zoro to realize he isn’t a “real” swordsman despite being capable of swordsman
Zoro even complained about his lack of sword usage
King even at 1 point gave Zoro a short sword duel to show off his skill
Both Zoro and King are capable of punching the difference is Zoro’s fighting style resolves around swordsmanship while swordsmanship is just a part of king’s arsenal
Anything that enhances one’s swordsmanship is obviously still swordsmanship. Abilities that don’t or are completely separate obviously aren’t
Also in Rayleigh’s case we genuinely don’t know due to us barely seeing him in action. He could potentially mix it up or mainly just rely on swordsmanship
Nusjuro did bite Sanji once but he definitely seems to be a devout swordsman. Just like how while Zoro is capable of attacking without his blades we know he relies on them to fight
Also if you’re going to quote a post read the damn post
It’s extreme cap to act like Sanji pre onigashima had comparable feats to Zoro. Hell feat wise alone people were still arguing that Zoro’s feats shit on Sanji’s post onigashima too
The proof is
- Zoro and Sanji being comparable even pre onigashima despite feats
- Blackbeard and Big Mom being comparable to Shanks and Kaido despite feats
- Kid and Law being comparable despite feats
- Rayleigh being stronger yet comparable to Gaban despite feats
It took a single King punch from king for Zoro to realize he isn’t a “real” swordsman despite being capable of swordsman
Zoro even complained about his lack of sword usage
King even at 1 point gave Zoro a short sword duel to show off his skill
Both Zoro and King are capable of punching the difference is Zoro’s fighting style resolves around swordsmanship while swordsmanship is just a part of king’s arsenal
Anything that enhances one’s swordsmanship is obviously still swordsmanship. Abilities that don’t or are completely separate obviously aren’t
Also in Rayleigh’s case we genuinely don’t know due to us barely seeing him in action. He could potentially mix it up or mainly just rely on swordsmanship
Nusjuro did bite Sanji once but he definitely seems to be a devout swordsman. Just like how while Zoro is capable of attacking without his blades we know he relies on them to fight
Feats dont matter but apparently feats matter. Pick a lane dude.
Feats matter equally as important as any other aspect of portrayal.
Feats are a part of portrayal.
Context is another. Narrative is another as well.
The idea here is that when you combine it all... you get portrayal.
Sanji having less feats before onigashima is arguable and just a matter of context.
Why did sanji have X feats and zoro had Y feats?
Did the context demand this? Or was it a clear comparison between the two?
Buddy. This isnt even me being mean. Im distinguishing between categories that you keep trying to collapse. Im also telling you the wall you have between portrayal and feats is made up. Poof. Not real.
We’ve seen a total of 1 attacks from Shanks
Also if you’re going to quote a post read the damn post
It’s extreme cap to act like Sanji pre onigashima had comparable feats to Zoro. Hell feat wise alone people were still arguing that Zoro’s feats shit on Sanji’s post onigashima too
The proof is
It took a single King punch from king for Zoro to realize he isn’t a “real” swordsman despite being capable of swordsman
Zoro even complained about his lack of sword usage
King even at 1 point gave Zoro a short sword duel to show off his skill
Both Zoro and King are capable of punching the difference is Zoro’s fighting style resolves around swordsmanship while swordsmanship is just a part of king’s arsenal
Anything that enhances one’s swordsmanship is obviously still swordsmanship. Abilities that don’t or are completely separate obviously aren’t
Also in Rayleigh’s case we genuinely don’t know due to us barely seeing him in action. He could potentially mix it up or mainly just rely on swordsmanship
Nusjuro did bite Sanji once but he definitely seems to be a devout swordsman. Just like how while Zoro is capable of attacking without his blades we know he relies on them to fight
Also if you’re going to quote a post read the damn post
It’s extreme cap to act like Sanji pre onigashima had comparable feats to Zoro. Hell feat wise alone people were still arguing that Zoro’s feats shit on Sanji’s post onigashima too
The proof is
- Zoro and Sanji being comparable even pre onigashima despite feats
- Blackbeard and Big Mom being comparable to Shanks and Kaido despite feats
- Kid and Law being comparable despite feats
- Rayleigh being stronger yet comparable to Gaban despite feats
It took a single King punch from king for Zoro to realize he isn’t a “real” swordsman despite being capable of swordsman
Zoro even complained about his lack of sword usage
King even at 1 point gave Zoro a short sword duel to show off his skill
Both Zoro and King are capable of punching the difference is Zoro’s fighting style resolves around swordsmanship while swordsmanship is just a part of king’s arsenal
Anything that enhances one’s swordsmanship is obviously still swordsmanship. Abilities that don’t or are completely separate obviously aren’t
Also in Rayleigh’s case we genuinely don’t know due to us barely seeing him in action. He could potentially mix it up or mainly just rely on swordsmanship
Nusjuro did bite Sanji once but he definitely seems to be a devout swordsman. Just like how while Zoro is capable of attacking without his blades we know he relies on them to fight
Do you consider Xebec to be a swordsman given that 99% of his fighting style is swordsmanship?
Also do you think that we will see Shanks named move which wouldn't be a sword technique?
Zoro called him out for punching him in the face not because of the specific sword he was using lo
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Zoro has battles in every single arc sometimes even multiple. Acting like Sanji had comparable feats is insane when Sanji barely had any feats
Sanji’s first solo win post timeskip was queen. Zoro’s post timeskip wins include hyouzou, Monet, pica, kamazou (killer), and king. You could even argue Hawkins and Apoo despite the fact I don’t.
Sanji got his leg cracked by Vergo and destroyed by Doflamingo
Zoro defeated pica and pushed an admiral back
It’s undeniable or at least should be that Sanji feat wise was severely lacking in comparison to Zoro. The hyper focus on feats and Sanji’s lack of fights is the big reason many believed Zoro to be vastly superior. Even post onigashima Zoro had significantly better feats on the rooftop and against king
At the end of the day all those feats or lack there of never mattered because it was mad clear due to their portrayal that they were still comparable
Again you’re a Sanji fan you should realize feats don’t mean shit
I think sword skill is just a part of his overall fighting style
Idk if Xebec is considered a swordsman or not. He’s definitely skilled with his sword but he doesn’t limit himself to it
As for will Shanks have named attacks that swordsmanship? Yeah probably tho I don’t think them being named is necessarily. At least in regards to punches and kicks
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Zoro has battles in every single arc sometimes even multiple. Acting like Sanji had comparable feats is insane when Sanji barely had any feats
Sanji’s first solo win post timeskip was queen. Zoro’s post timeskip wins include hyouzou, Monet, pica, kamazou (killer), and king. You could even argue Hawkins and Apoo despite the fact I don’t.
Sanji got his leg cracked by Vergo and destroyed by Doflamingo
Zoro defeated pica and pushed an admiral back
It’s undeniable or at least should be that Sanji feat wise was severely lacking in comparison to Zoro. The hyper focus on feats and Sanji’s lack of fights is the big reason many believed Zoro to be vastly superior. Even post onigashima Zoro had significantly better feats on the rooftop and against king
At the end of the day all those feats or lack there of never mattered because it was mad clear due to their portrayal that they were still comparable
Again you’re a Sanji fan you should realize feats don’t mean shit
I think sword skill is just a part of his overall fighting style
Idk if Xebec is considered a swordsman or not. He’s definitely skilled with his sword but he doesn’t limit himself to it
As for will Shanks have named attacks that swordsmanship? Yeah probably tho I don’t think them being named is necessarily. At least in regards to punches and kicks