Anime & Manga One Piece Spoilers - The Waiting Room
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The Seraphim really are just such a dumb plot point on so many levels.
For starters, they’re painfully uninteresting and feel like filler. They also open up a whole can of worms.
1. Why are there only 7 of them? Why are there not more batches of Seraphim in production? Sure, they should be very costly, but nothing in Egghead even suggested that they were planning to produce even more Seraphim.
2. Why did the WG choose to clone the 7 OG Warlords? Why not clone the Admirals, who are way more powerful than every Warlord except Mihawk? Heck, why not just make 7 Mihawk Seraphim clones since the WG clearly knows Mihawk is a cut above the other Warlords?
3. Why doesn’t Imu just make all of them into HKs? They’re hard wired to obey the Gorosei (who are completely loyal to Imu) above all else, so their loyalty shouldn’t even be in question (not that it would even matter since HKs physically can’t disobey Imu). Prime Adult Seraphim will clearly be massively stronger than Base HKs, so why not amp them even further with a Deep Sea Pact buff and access to Omen?
4. Who are they even supposed to fight at EoS? A Warlords vs Seraphim matchup would be pretty lame tbh, but if Oda wants to go in that direction, then why did Jinbe show 0 interest in his own fucking clone during Egghead? They also wouldn’t really make much sense as SH matchups. I guess they could fight the 7 EoS SHGF Division Commanders, but genuinely who gives a fuck?
They also show just how poorly thought out Lunarian abilities are. Why would any Lunarian ever turn their flames off and trade nigh invulnerability for a slight speed boost? It really does feel like they were a spur of the moment decision by Oda. He was just thinking it would be cool to create a fusion of King, Queen, and the 7 Warlords. They’re all style, no substance
The Seraphim really are just such a dumb plot point on so many levels.
For starters, they’re painfully uninteresting and feel like filler. They also open up a whole can of worms.
1. Why are there only 7 of them? Why are there not more batches of Seraphim in production? Sure, they should be very costly, but nothing in Egghead even suggested that they were planning to produce even more Seraphim.
2. Why did the WG choose to clone the 7 OG Warlords? Why not clone the Admirals, who are way more powerful than every Warlord except Mihawk? Heck, why not just make 7 Mihawk Seraphim clones since the WG clearly knows Mihawk is a cut above the other Warlords?
3. Why doesn’t Imu just make all of them into HKs? They’re hard wired to obey the Gorosei (who are completely loyal to Imu) above all else, so their loyalty shouldn’t even be in question (not that it would even matter since HKs physically can’t disobey Imu). Prime Adult Seraphim will clearly be massively stronger than Base HKs, so why not amp them even further with a Deep Sea Pact buff and access to Omen?
4. Who are they even supposed to fight at EoS? A Warlords vs Seraphim matchup would be pretty lame tbh, but if Oda wants to go in that direction, then why did Jinbe show 0 interest in his own fucking clone during Egghead? They also wouldn’t really make much sense as SH matchups. I guess they could fight the 7 EoS SHGF Division Commanders, but genuinely who gives a fuck?
They also show just how poorly thought out Lunarian abilities are. Why would any Lunarian ever turn their flames off and trade nigh invulnerability for a slight speed boost? It really does feel like they were a spur of the moment decision by Oda. He was just thinking it would be cool to create a fusion of King, Queen, and the 7 Warlords. They’re all style, no substance
They’re pretty much the just One Piece equivalent of Edo Tensei. “Wouldn’t it be cool if all these super powerful dead characters were brought back at full strength, and were also granted endless regen and infinite chakra because fuck it why not?”
Though they’re arguably even worse than Edo Tensei because at least characters brought back with Edo Tensei got to retain their personalities, and were actually a much needed addition to the villain’s roster to make the war more balanced, while the WG is already stacked enough
Though they’re arguably even worse than Edo Tensei because at least characters brought back with Edo Tensei got to retain their personalities, and were actually a much needed addition to the villain’s roster to make the war more balanced, while the WG is already stacked enough
1. You literally answered your own question. Because one Pacifista Mk. 1 costs the same as a GL-class Battleship, the Mk. III even more so, so they probably cost like 50 of them.
2. Because Vegapunk can't fully replicate Logia powers, which all three had. S-Gator probably has something like Smoothie's power, or a lesser version of his own. Plus, the fear aspect of them. Like Kuma being the base for a legion of soulless enforcers.
3. Judging from Harald's death, creating a new Covenant bearer isn't just something he can do en masse, and is costly to him. Especially seven more.
4. They'll probably be programmed by Devon as Saturn to fight for Blackbeard.
2. Because Vegapunk can't fully replicate Logia powers, which all three had. S-Gator probably has something like Smoothie's power, or a lesser version of his own. Plus, the fear aspect of them. Like Kuma being the base for a legion of soulless enforcers.
3. Judging from Harald's death, creating a new Covenant bearer isn't just something he can do en masse, and is costly to him. Especially seven more.
4. They'll probably be programmed by Devon as Saturn to fight for Blackbeard.
A character having higher AP than another doesn't mean they're stronger than them. Powerscaling isn't simply who has the heaviest attacks, yknow.
I thought I said they were an extreme diff for Boundman Luffy?
Old injured Gaban shouldn't push Imu to a mid-high diff lol. I don't care if it's "old legend hype" or whatever, it's just objectively shitty writing when Imu was portrayed as such a powerful villain
Gaban himself said that Imu's Haki was unlike anything he had ever seen before, yet that ultimately didn't matter, because Oda just wanted to make a scene where Gaban looked cool. Unfortunately, that was at the expense of all the hype that Imu had built up for years. And this chapter only made it worse. But like I said, Oda is Oda, so what can you expect from him? A better writer obviously would have been more consistent and not so reliant on hype moments and aura
I thought I said they were an extreme diff for Boundman Luffy?
Old injured Gaban shouldn't push Imu to a mid-high diff lol. I don't care if it's "old legend hype" or whatever, it's just objectively shitty writing when Imu was portrayed as such a powerful villain
Gaban himself said that Imu's Haki was unlike anything he had ever seen before, yet that ultimately didn't matter, because Oda just wanted to make a scene where Gaban looked cool. Unfortunately, that was at the expense of all the hype that Imu had built up for years. And this chapter only made it worse. But like I said, Oda is Oda, so what can you expect from him? A better writer obviously would have been more consistent and not so reliant on hype moments and aura
Sure, but again, the issue is Oda sort of portrayed Imu as someone who'd be considerably above Roger, especially if he's meant to be the final villain. Him mid diffing Loki and low diffing Luffy before was also likely intended to be proof of how overwhelmingly strong he is compared to all the characters we've seen before.
But then old Gaban came in..
Pretty sure I had bumped it to Boundman at some point.
But then old Gaban came in..
Pretty sure I had bumped it to Boundman at some point.
