Salem of Lies Throne Of Lies: The WG War

[EkkoLoJinx]

Brother, this is nonsense.
claim, it’s how the game works.
don’t you think refusing to claim to prove a point is game throwing? And for the record if I was in your shoes, I would have claimed, so would 90% of people, so claim, please.

it's very very very rich to lecture me about how the game works after how you've approached my wagon with the "claim or die" notion

how the game works is you guys r supposed to take into consideration what i am saying, thats the first step. i don't feel like anything i am saying is being given due consideration and i am getting brushed off as outed scum for practically no reason

if i claim to this kind of pressure then i reward bad play and i refuse to do that

i should not have to claim because i should not be a wagon to begin with. a couple of the people voting me clearly stated they do not even suspect me. my wagon is only a thing because of very headstrong wrong townies enabling it

 

[Worst]

Now hold on just a doggone minute f you think I went and clean forgot about that PoE you were supposed to lay out for the rest of us, you got another think comin'. I got a memory like a steel trap, and I’ve been sittin' right here waitin' for you to deliver on your word while the clock just keeps on tickin'.
You need to listen to me real good right now, because the fun and games are officially over and done with. We ain't out here paddlin' around in the kiddie pool or passin' the time with idle banter; we got serious business to tend to, and everybody under this roof is expected to pull their own weight without makin' excuses or draggin' their feet.
Around here, nobody gets a free ride, and nobody gets to slide by on good looks and charm alone. Everyone’s got to pay their tribute and hand over what’s due, plain and simple. So stop kickin' the can down the road, step up to the plate, and put that PoE right out in the open where it belongs before we have to take this conversation down a much rougher path.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

this all about learning etc sounds like bs to me tbh our goal is to win >THIS< game right now

my goal is to win too

do you think getting a claim from me matters? realistically if you suspect me beyond return then a claim shouldn't change anybody's suspicion

nothing i am saying is incorrect btw, neither objectively nor subjectively. i maintain that i have 0 intention to reward lazy play and i maintain that i have the right to do so, and i cannot be blamed for not claiming to this kind of pressure

im happy to get lynched every game like this until it stops one day and people learn

 

[Ali v2]

it's very very very rich to lecture me about how the game works after how you've approached my wagon with the "claim or die" notion

how the game works is you guys r supposed to take into consideration what i am saying, thats the first step. i don't feel like anything i am saying is being given due consideration and i am getting brushed off as outed scum for practically no reason

if i claim to this kind of pressure then i reward bad play and i refuse to do that

i should not have to claim because i should not be a wagon to begin with. a couple of the people voting me clearly stated they do not even suspect me. my wagon is only a thing because of very headstrong wrong townies enabling it

And you still don’t want to claim. SMH FR.
There is nothing to discuss further.
have it your way

 

[Worst]

im happy to get lynched every game like this until it stops one day and people learn

nobody will learn anything and you know it
this is a game where a claim makes a big difference
if you're town this is bad strategy, well don't get me wrong
i'll carefully analyze everyone who pushed you and find the scums
so maybe that's the correct play but still we can avoid all of this with a claim​

 

[Ali v2]

im happy to get lynched every game like this until it stops one day and people learn

This is literal game throwing, don’t do this.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

nobody will learn anything and you know it
this is a game where a claim makes a big difference
if you're town this is bad strategy, well don't get me wrong
i'll carefully analyze everyone who pushed you and find the scums
so maybe that's the correct play but still we can avoid all of this with a claim​

it's ok if none learns, at least id have tried

i can't force people to learn but i can guide them on what to look for, at least when it comes to reading me. i think i've explained plenty in my posts what is alignment indicative for me and where people should direct their attention

the remaining part is for people to read my recent town/scum games and come to a conclusion on whether what i am saying makes sense or not, then take a look at the things that i said are alignment indicative for me and properly give an alignment guess based on it

if it doesn't happen in this game then maybe in the next. if not then the one after etc... i'll take the noose day 1 for a 100 games if it means i can teach 1 lesson

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

This is literal game throwing, don’t do this.

ok flower

 

[York]

@York updated thoughts from you wud be great

sorry Ekko, I've outsourced my thinking to a skilled contractor for the day. Plus, Ali said please

vote lynch EkkoLoJinx

 

[Ali v2]

ok flower

 

[Saber]

if you had to claim here in the thread maybe i would get it but you can Just whisper your claim to someone you trust holy shit

 

[Worst]

I still don't think we should lynch Ekko though, he's def not mafia or cult, hostile indie ? Idk doesn't seem fit, Jester ? Maybe his argumentation for not wanting to claim is pretty meh enough to give some persistent people reason to push for him, Jester is the worst i can foresee

 

[bittersweet]

Just got home but sure, no problem. Been suspicious of Ekko's play this game and gut says it is fishier than Yoho.

Vote Lynch Ekko

 

[AL sama]

 

[Udell]

can i please get a better response? see im trying to work with you, thats because im town. im not trying to kill you for no reason, im trying to read you

you think this response is funny but it's really not, it overall makes discerning things harder for town

You did get a response. You are reading me incorrectly because you THINK you know how I play. Everything you have said in this entire thread about me is literally about how I played last game. That was last game, I will not address that anymore. Mature a little bit man because this is becoming ridiculous. You are not working with anyone, your play is literally selfish because you are trying to kill me for no reason.

The moment I claim you will look soo dumb, just stop man. You better flip scum with this awful thread play you are currently displaying.

i hear that part, you're still not answering my question tho. why is it suspicious of me to correctly deduce something about you?

You didn't deduce anything about me. You are delusional.

I don't even like role madness games and yet I took it seriously. I don't play any games unless I play to win. In fact I am just like the character in my picture in that regard. I play to win or I will not play at all. Mafia is a team game stop acting selfish you actually think that I am more suspicious than you?

the crazy part is i still dont really really know what i am getting lynched for

this is why im tempted to just roll over

im trying to play the game but being treated like i am outed when im making very valid points is offputting. you guys are clearly and evidently not reading my posts, how do you hope to make a read on me like this

Really you don't?? You went after me because I asked Al a question yet you don't want people after you when you couldn't correctly state your alignment??

 

[Yoho]

are we still playing the get ekko to claim game even tho he already said he wasn't claiming

 

[Fujishiro]

VC3 D1

Ekkolojinx - 8
Yoho - 2
GalaxyLevelShanks - 1
Bittersweet -1
Udell - 1

Hammer is at 10 votes

Worst: Charlie > Ekkolojinx
bittersweet: Yoho > Ekkolojinx
The Orca: Bittersweet > Ekkolojinx > Bittersweet
Udell: York > Ekkolojinx
Saber: Yoho > Ekkolojinx
Naomi: Ekkolojinx > Ratchet > Ratchet >
Ali v2: Yoho > unvote > Ekkolojinx
Lord Melkor: Yoho
GalaxyLevelShanks: Yoho
York: Yoho > Ekkolojinx
Charlie: Ekkolojinx
Polar Bear: GalaxyLevelShanks
Ekkolojinx: Udell​

 

[Udell]

i mean i'll just take the grave, its not a big deal to me

you can't threaten me with this stuff lol, ive played 1000s of games, one more death doesn't do much to me

there's probably more value in me dying and hopefully town takes a lesson from it than simply me claiming and maybe moving town away from me via claim

i don't want yall to be spoiled and reliant on claims, i want yall to hopefully learn the path to making correct reads when someone you are suspecting is actively defending themselves and playing the game

we'd have another discussion if say, i was inactive or i misyeeted bunch of townies or whatever. in fact when i know i need to claim, i claim immediately. that's why i claimed first thing in the day after i misyeeted gianfi last game

but you're not playing with someone that's unreadable. i think i am very easily readable and so i'll always refer yall to my threadplay. if you fail to read me from it i want you to suffer the consequences of it. that's the only way there will be some learning to be had

if i claim and yall steer away from me via my claim and we yeet a scum then everyone will be happy and yall won't learn anything about the atrocity of a non-existent case you presented on me

Of course it's not a big deal to you because you are not trying to win anything if you are town. So you're obviously scum. I hate when people act like they don't know how to play. Yall sign up for games and get lynch because you rather prove a point than win. Lynching you today because this is pathetic.

Only person who needs a lesson is you. This is not a role madness game buddy, look at what you signed up for, Jesus Christ. Your thread play is rubbish, you're angle shooting by bringing up last game and you're desperate for more time. Stop bringing up last game where claims didn't matter. This is a structured game. I would have already claim if I were in your position because that's how this work and I know I would be clear because of my claim. The only people nervous to claim in a game like this are scum because they have to avoid getting counter claimed lmao.

People will sheep the most persistent person in the thread nobody will learn anything i don't understand your fixation here....

People want a claim ? Give them a claim!

He rather talk about last game. Ain't that something.

 

[The Orca]

I still don't think we should lynch Ekko though, he's def not mafia or cult, hostile indie ? Idk doesn't seem fit, Jester ? Maybe his argumentation for not wanting to claim is pretty meh enough to give some persistent people reason to push for him, Jester is the worst i can foresee

Feels too easy right?

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

You did get a response. You are reading me incorrectly because you THINK you know how I play. Everything you have said in this entire thread about me is literally about how I played last game. That was last game, I will not address that anymore. Mature a little bit man because this is becoming ridiculous. You are not working with anyone, your play is literally selfish because you are trying to kill me for no reason.

The moment I claim you will look soo dumb, just stop man. You better flip scum with this awful thread play you are currently displaying.

hey udell i made a guess to your alignment which can or can't be wrong, but it doesn't mean the guess isn't flexible to being changed. us continuing to interact can make me update my guess. solving is an iterative process afterall. you make a guess and then you take in all the responses and reactions from others based on your guess and see if u need to make any updates. the more you repeat the process the more accurate the reads become, that's how the game is played.

there is no shame in me making a wrong initial guess about you, so long as i am willing to talk with you and hopefully rectify my guess if it's wrong. this is all normal stuff and not scum indicative.

since you are stating that nobody knows how to read you it should be okay if we make some mistakes trying to read you. we're doing our best but none is perfect here. im not claiming a god read on you or anything. i made a guess based on your few starting posts and i am willing to talk to you to see if my read will be updated one way or another. again, this is all perfectly normal solving process

i don't care about looking dumb nor am i interested in your claim, i just had one simple question for you. do you think it is scummy for me to correctly deduce that you are playing differently? im not asking you to town read me either, just your thought on what is more likely