Salem of Lies Throne Of Lies: The WG War

[Reborn]

how is playing the game, making reads, creating interactions etc.. not helping resolve my slot?

this is the bear bones of playing the social deduction game known as mafia. every player in the world should be readable by threadplay. i am the 5th top poster with over 120 posts, plenty of which are alignment indicative

you guys refuse to look at the answer that requires some work. you want the easy answer. that's not on me.

Your interactions and how you got sussed don't hold much when you are clearing refusing to even admit your class which is actually low risk information.

And, this isn't your traiditional mafia which relies heavily on social deduction. This is ToL. It relies more on mechanics.

As I said earlier, let's assume you are town and others here are horrible and they are totally wrong about your slot but regardless of this they think you are scum.

But then you are willing to not clear air around you until you are on trial. You are willing to waste entire day for town. You are willing to even risk sacrificing a town slot assuming you are town.

You are willing to waste entire day under the pretext "town must learn hard way". This is BS ekko.

This is you playing as per your convenience. This is anti town play.

Claiming during trial is very convenient act which scum often throw at town. People can't refute or discuss your claim. They have to say guilty or innocent. Infact, this is actually a way to fish Information.

Let's say a scum goes on trial. He fakes claim a very strong town role. Any other town role would immediately buy it and will say innocent. Only that town role will say guilty who would be having that strong town role. And, if no one says guilty then that scum gets a fake claim to roll through.


No town will be willing to refuse claim until trial. Only scum does

 

[Reborn]

@Zemmi scorned gets two "marked" targets get executed by blue dragons. It has to be day lynch if I am not wrong



I don't know if those two players are aware of being marked. If they are then we can check it

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Your interactions and how you got sussed don't hold much when you are clearing refusing to even admit your class which is actually low risk information.

And, this isn't your traiditional mafia which relies heavily on social deduction. This is ToL. It relies more on mechanics.

As I said earlier, let's assume you are town and others here are horrible and they are totally wrong about your slot but regardless of this they think you are scum.

But then you are willing to not clear air around you until you are on trial. You are willing to waste entire day for town. You are willing to even risk sacrificing a town slot assuming you are town.

You are willing to waste entire day under the pretext "town must learn hard way". This is BS ekko.

This is you playing as per your convenience. This is anti town play.

Claiming during trial is very convenient act which scum often throw at town. People can't refute or discuss your claim. They have to say guilty or innocent. Infact, this is actually a way to fish Information.

Let's say a scum goes on trial. He fakes claim a very strong town role. Any other town role would immediately buy it and will say innocent. Only that town role will say guilty who would be having that strong town role. And, if no one says guilty then that scum gets a fake claim to roll through.


No town will be willing to refuse claim until trial. Only scum does

i know all of this and once again you're making it about the claim when it isn't.

and like stated previously this is day 1 so it doesn't rely more on mechanics

i want to claim during trial intentionally. i dont want the claim to be discussed. you either believe it or you dont, and the clue is going to be reading my posts. thats how u determine my alignment

im repeating myself alot, just vote me and move on

 

[The Orca]

Polar Bear was right above it so I got confused lol

Consider it an honest mistake

Kudos for owning the mistake

My guy, the game literally needs claims to solve, it’s a semi open setup, if we don’t ask for claims, we are already doomed, now answer me this, why is he not claiming? are we at fault to assume he is scum fearing if he claims he might get CCed since it’s a semi-open setup, tell me I’m wrong for thinking that?

I understand the game needs claims and it is crappy hebisnt claiming. Who knows why in the end. That's on him. What you should be thinking is if he is mafia he knows he has to claim, so why not claim something if he is. The way he is playing it if he was mafia would be a double reverse psychological spin that he hopes will work. But won't because roo many indys will just pile on. Its a no win situation if he is scum and he is turning it into an auto loss really. I don't see scum ekko doing that. I didn't see him playing so bad last game either, so anything is possible. It just isn't high on my list of things scumekko would do. No you arent at fault and should worry about it. Also maybe think deeper and try to get all sides. Are you wrong for the thought process. No. Are you wrong on the confidence of the outcome. Absolutely, for the reasons above

Tell me you got too much information without telling me you got too much information.

So is Ekko your scum buddy or are you trying to get some town points for defending him? His flip will tell me what I need to know about you.

Here is the issue with Ekko

1. He is a hypocrite. He accusing me of seeing Al's claim, go Iso his post. I already told Zemmi I did not see it Al's claim and yet he is hinting at the fact that I did see and yet he didn't SEE his damn role and wincon??

2. Heavy angle shooting.

3. Inactive, he spent the first of the game not here and when he showed up and it's like he knows who to go for. When people were tagging him to show up. He has been opportunistic the moment he got here.

4. Refusal to claim. This is already outlined by several people

Hey it might be right if Ekko just tanked his play. I don't think it is particularly likely. Maybe if he is indy I could see it. Mafia not so much

 

[Polar Bear]

Hey it might be right if Ekko just tanked his play. I don't think it is particularly likely. Maybe if he is indy I could see it. Mafia not so much

Really leaning indy right now

 

[Lord Melkor]

Hi, i am not caught up sińce i did not have time to Play yesterday.

@EkkoLoJinx did you claim?

 

[Lord Melkor]

Don't know the roles, but id be more willing to looking into Melkor and Shanks if this vote count is correct

You town read Yoho?

 

[Reborn]

Hi, i am not caught up sińce i did not have time to Play yesterday.

@EkkoLoJinx did you claim?

He claimed that he won't claim

 

[Polar Bear]

Hi, i am not caught up sińce i did not have time to Play yesterday.

@EkkoLoJinx did you claim?

No, he's refused and said he will do so during the trial (whatever that is)

 

[Lord Melkor]

are we still playing the get ekko to claim game even tho he already said he wasn't claiming

What do you want to do then?

 

[Reborn]

We can always roll with Yoho kill/lynch

Recent survey suggested that he rolls scum 7/10 times.

 

[Lord Melkor]

Trying adding a tiny bit of brown sugar.


Sugar gets you farther than salt.


I know you aren't asking me but I think his reads were very weird. I also don't understand his push on Galaxy. I think Galaxy might've gotten confused. Not sure if this has been cleared up or not.



What is you clear case on Udell?

Galaxy seemed townie to me yesterday. Udell's responses to Ekko look good to me unless he is the type to have a lot of energy of scum

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Well that's a lot of reading

Time to get into it

 

[Lord Melkor]

>there are 9 useless townies in the game and several opportunistic scum on my wagon
>I conscientiously object to the way the game is being played
>there are 10 useless townies in the game and several opportunistic scum on my wagon


who is this theater for?

Yes, @EkkoLoJinx in this tyle of setup you should just claim if you are at 8/10 votes and we are over halfway in the day.

Vote Lynch Ekko

 

[Lord Melkor]

Welll, prepare yourself for Ekko suing you post game for "mafia malpractice".

 

[Yoho]

What do you want to do then?

I mean if we're gonna lynch ekko lets lynch him and move on but i'd rather see more than people spending hour trying to get Ekko to claim and both sides of the discussion are kinda suspicious

on one hand why put so much effort and pressure on a slot that already made it clear they aren't claiming but on the other I've scummed with Ekko plenty of times and know if he was scum he would of claimed something even if it's made up so i'm personally leaning towards him being town.

as for my primary suspect of the day i'd go with worst

 

[Yoho]

We can always roll with Yoho kill/lynch

Recent survey suggested that he rolls scum 7/10 times.

while true this game is the 3/10 times i roll town

 

[Lord Melkor]

I mean if we're gonna lynch ekko lets lynch him and move on but i'd rather see more than people spending hour trying to get Ekko to claim and both sides of the discussion are kinda suspicious

on one hand why put so much effort and pressure on a slot that already made it clear they aren't claiming but on the other I've scummed with Ekko plenty of times and know if he was scum he would of claimed something even if it's made up so i'm personally leaning towards him being town.

as for my primary suspect of the day i'd go with worst

Why Worst?

 

[Lord Melkor]

how long does a trial last? i wanna go play deadlock and don't wanna miss being there to make my 1 post defense

i intend to claim in the trial and i specifically want the claim to be in the trial so u guys don't do this thing where u "we'll believe the claim unless there is counterclaim". that's just dumb and voids all learning

you gotta either believe it or don't, and your only clue will be my posts that you vehemently refuse to analyze so you're forced to play the game properly there too

Is there even trial here? The rules just say we have majority Lynch.

 

[Charlie]

Ngl, it's getting tiresome af. Whenever i see "oh i won't work with town, IT will Teach you a lesson" bs i Wish i could just vote someone twice. Because even if it's Town, you're making a choice to waste town's Time.