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Proving my point
People like this have this worldview where Israel is the most evil thing in existence and any Jew that doesn’t feel the exact same way, perhaps even dares to call out their problematic beliefs, is part of the “satanic cabal” or something.
it is basically Jew hatred because this sort of extreme thinking leads them to view the vast majority of Jews as “evil satanic Zionists”.
I tbh have no problem with antizionism in theory. In fact I tend to agree with the way some haredi groups view Israel. But if you repeat classic antisemitic talking points but just sub “Jew” for “Israel”….
People like this have this worldview where Israel is the most evil thing in existence and any Jew that doesn’t feel the exact same way, perhaps even dares to call out their problematic beliefs, is part of the “satanic cabal” or something.
it is basically Jew hatred because this sort of extreme thinking leads them to view the vast majority of Jews as “evil satanic Zionists”.
I tbh have no problem with antizionism in theory. In fact I tend to agree with the way some haredi groups view Israel. But if you repeat classic antisemitic talking points but just sub “Jew” for “Israel”….
It is. (well.. one of them at least....). Again. Settler colony. It's literally an engine of destruction, extraction and domination.
Zionism is destructive by nature. It can't be anything else. It is... BY NATURE, a supremacism and a colonial fantasy.
Again. Settler colony.
Seems like you do. You can't stop criticizing it and bootlicking the "good zionists".
Zionism is destructive by nature. It can't be anything else. It is... BY NATURE, a supremacism and a colonial fantasy.
Again. Settler colony.
Seems like you do. You can't stop criticizing it and bootlicking the "good zionists".
@CoC: Color of Clowns wasn’t merely criticizing Israel’s actions in Gaza or elsewhere, he was actively pushing Nazi propaganda—that Israel is somehow trying to destabilize the west via refugees.
It is a racist and antisemitic theory actively championed by white supremacists.
He was outright dismissive about antisemitism, and when I called him out on it, he blocked me.
The comment I made wasn’t inherently about Zionism or antizionism as a political ideology. It’s about the extreme black and white conspiracy driven views people like @CoC: Color of Clowns have.
Where they see Israel not merely as a country that exists(deeply flawed and corrupt as it may be), but as some personal main antagonist of reality that is behind every bad thing.
It is a racist and antisemitic theory actively championed by white supremacists.
He was outright dismissive about antisemitism, and when I called him out on it, he blocked me.
The comment I made wasn’t inherently about Zionism or antizionism as a political ideology. It’s about the extreme black and white conspiracy driven views people like @CoC: Color of Clowns have.
Where they see Israel not merely as a country that exists(deeply flawed and corrupt as it may be), but as some personal main antagonist of reality that is behind every bad thing.
Meanwhile at the intersection of sanism, ableism and the police violences under capitalism:
That is a fact mate. Israel AND the US are literally lobbying and using immigration as a leverage against leftists in western Europe to push the racist and great replacement propaganda to their advantage and make the far right (ant their zionist interest) rise.
What happened in Ceuta was LITERALLY piloted by the US and Israel through the colonial partnership between Morocco and these two countries.
This is called imperialism. It's not new.
What is antisemitic and racist is the great replacement theory, the idea that islamic migrants (previousely jews) are "replacing the white" and are therefore a danger. This is bad indeed.
But the fact of denouncing the imperialist and colonial usage of both Israel and the US of these people to destabilize western country that are acting against their interest, is NOT. Which is exactly what is happening today. Migrants are LITERALLY used as a leverage to destabilize Spain at the moment.
Do I have to make you understand how imperialism works?
Sometime it's the case indeed, not this time.
Again:
- Settler colony
- Systemic oppression
- Appartheid
- Colonization
- War crimes
- Crimes against humanity
- GENOCIDE
There is a genocide and a colonization happening. I will start to be a lot less lineant with people who advocate for Israel.
Any one that invizibilize these crimes to explain that "israel may be corrupted but it's not really thaaaat evil" is COMPLICIT.
Keep that mindset or I will have to post the reality of the situation:
https://www.archivegenocide.com/
That is a fact mate. Israel AND the US are literally lobbying and using immigration as a leverage against leftists in western Europe to push the racist and great replacement propaganda to their advantage and make the far right (ant their zionist interest) rise.
What happened in Ceuta was LITERALLY piloted by the US and Israel through the colonial partnership between Morocco and these two countries.
This is called imperialism. It's not new.
What is antisemitic and racist is the great replacement theory, the idea that islamic migrants (previousely jews) are "replacing the white" and are therefore a danger. This is bad indeed.
But the fact of denouncing the imperialist and colonial usage of both Israel and the US of these people to destabilize western country that are acting against their interest, is NOT. Which is exactly what is happening today. Migrants are LITERALLY used as a leverage to destabilize Spain at the moment.
Do I have to make you understand how imperialism works?
Sometime it's the case indeed, not this time.
Again:
- Settler colony
- Systemic oppression
- Appartheid
- Colonization
- War crimes
- Crimes against humanity
- GENOCIDE
There is a genocide and a colonization happening. I will start to be a lot less lineant with people who advocate for Israel.
Any one that invizibilize these crimes to explain that "israel may be corrupted but it's not really thaaaat evil" is COMPLICIT.
Keep that mindset or I will have to post the reality of the situation:
https://www.archivegenocide.com/
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Holy horseshoe theory
There is no evidence Israel had anything to do with what happened in Ceuta, let alone the vast majority of refugees entering Europe in recent years. The only refugees Israel is responsible for are Palestinians and the Lebanese.
You are just parroting far right conspiracy theories because it aligns with your view on Israel.
Yeah but jew haters and conspiracy theorists want to blame Israel for everything under the sun. That’s how classical antisemitism worked and in a post-Israel world, a lot of these people have simply transitioned from saying “The Jews” to “Israel” or “Zionists”.
it’s one thing when people are actually talking about Palestine and it’s another thing entirely when people are creating conspiracy theories to blame Israel for anything and everything because they believe antisemitic tropes about Jews secretly controlling the world.
There is no evidence Israel had anything to do with what happened in Ceuta, let alone the vast majority of refugees entering Europe in recent years. The only refugees Israel is responsible for are Palestinians and the Lebanese.
You are just parroting far right conspiracy theories because it aligns with your view on Israel.
Yeah but jew haters and conspiracy theorists want to blame Israel for everything under the sun. That’s how classical antisemitism worked and in a post-Israel world, a lot of these people have simply transitioned from saying “The Jews” to “Israel” or “Zionists”.
it’s one thing when people are actually talking about Palestine and it’s another thing entirely when people are creating conspiracy theories to blame Israel for anything and everything because they believe antisemitic tropes about Jews secretly controlling the world.
The irony here is that you are not realizing that Israel and the US are actually far right governement denouncing the "great replacement" in Europe. Literally, using Ceuta, antisemitic and islamophobic propaganda against, muslim and migrants themselve to destabilize the west, especially Spain, Italy and France.
You are not realizing here that by taking the defenses of zionist you are actually the one spreading not only far right rethoric but cololnial one as well, thinking you are a rational centrist (like many people here who think they are rationnal by spreading racist and transphobic stuff everydays...)
I won't spend hours trying to explain to you how anti-imperialism works and the data in this case. It's not worth it, you don't have the right perspective to absorb it.
Israel is literally lobbying in every country in the west to push their propaganda. We have lobbies here in France that have ties up to freaking ministers.
I think you do not understanding that what people are denouncing is not the usual antisemitic trope of "jew being in position of power everywhere". No. That is indeed antisemitic.
What we are denouncing is the DOCUMENTED overwhelming presence of one settler colony's governments and lobbies in the political affairs of ALL countries of the west. Starting with the US and France.
It happens yes. That doesn't negate the facts that with Israel and settlers : We are dealing with literal NAZI.
This should be obvious for anyone involved:
And it's not Gvir in particular, it is a system of dehumanization
Imperialism rules the world mate. Time to wake up.
You are not realizing here that by taking the defenses of zionist you are actually the one spreading not only far right rethoric but cololnial one as well, thinking you are a rational centrist (like many people here who think they are rationnal by spreading racist and transphobic stuff everydays...)
I won't spend hours trying to explain to you how anti-imperialism works and the data in this case. It's not worth it, you don't have the right perspective to absorb it.
Israel is literally lobbying in every country in the west to push their propaganda. We have lobbies here in France that have ties up to freaking ministers.
I think you do not understanding that what people are denouncing is not the usual antisemitic trope of "jew being in position of power everywhere". No. That is indeed antisemitic.
What we are denouncing is the DOCUMENTED overwhelming presence of one settler colony's governments and lobbies in the political affairs of ALL countries of the west. Starting with the US and France.
It happens yes. That doesn't negate the facts that with Israel and settlers : We are dealing with literal NAZI.
This should be obvious for anyone involved:
And it's not Gvir in particular, it is a system of dehumanization
Imperialism rules the world mate. Time to wake up.