Speculations Re-Visiting Big Mom’s Quote On Elbaph/Loki Crushing Three Yawnco

[Elder Lee Hung]

Today let us take another look at this quote:

Where Big Mom states that an alliance with Elbaph would have lead to her crushing Saint Shanks, Kaido, and even the strongest Yawnco Whitebeard.

So why exactly does Big Mom believe this? Elbaph was demilitarized after Harald, Elbaph didn’t even have its military at full strength, and the few warriors specifically on Elbaph that we’ve seen don’t seem particularly impressive, I get the impression that Vice Admiral Saul is probably relative to the vast majority of Elbaph warriors.

Did Big Mom believe that a nation of Sauls could crush the other Yawnco? Or was Big Mom stating that just an alliance with Loki would lead to her crushing three Yawnco? Share your thoughts

@Sentinel @Tyki_Mikk @Loki D. Terror @park_min young @Dragon777 @comrade @TheD. @Djordje @Fujishiro

 

[MarineHQ]

Mama was fed nasty propaganda lmao. The Big mom pirates crush Midbaf.

 

[Fujishiro]

Loki would nuke Onigashima.

 

[Yoho]

I think the Elbaf elders lied to her in order to try and get her strength and man power but because of what happened she wasn't allowed on elbaf, so they tried to force a political marriage between Loki and Lola but the whole Loki loved Lola thing and wanted to mary her was a lie

She was being manipulated and used and didn't realize Elbaf isn't what it used to be

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I think the Elbaf elders lied to her in order to try and get her strength and man power but because of what happened she wasn't allowed on elbaf, so they tried to force a political marriage between Loki and Lola but the whole Loki loved Lola thing and wanted to mary her was a lie

She was being manipulated and used and didn't realize Elbaf isn't what it used to be

Why would the Elders lie about this? To incentivize Big Mom into allying with them? They hate Big Mom and wouldn’t have wanted an alliance so this really doesn’t make sense.

You have to think though, Big Mom definitely met Loki and would have understood his power level like Luffy did. So it’s very possible she was just referring to Loki.

 

[Blax Blah]

Big Mom + Loki together would mid diff any yonko

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Big Mom + Loki together would mid diff any yonko

Big Mom + Loki together would mid diff any yonko

Fruitless Loki alone mid diffs any Yawnco, lol

 

[Juanpiz]

She old,fat and dumb

 

[Goofball_Your_Nika]

I think the Elbaf elders lied to her in order to try and get her strength and man power but because of what happened she wasn't allowed on elbaf, so they tried to force a political marriage between Loki and Lola but the whole Loki loved Lola thing and wanted to mary her was a lie

She was being manipulated and used and didn't realize Elbaf isn't what it used to be

Holy cope.
The Elbaph elders hate her guts, she killed one of their chiefs.

 

[TheD.]

Elbaf is fodder

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Oda was clearly planning on Loki being a childish ruler protected by a very strong army before retconning his plans for Elbaph into what we're seeing now. It's obvious Hajrudin wanted to be the king of giants because Loki was a bad ruler akin to Orochi, but dumber and more naive, and undeserving of Elbaph to the point of trying to make an alliance with the devil that Charlotte Linlin was.

Up until Elbaph itself, this was the underlying narrative regarding the country, hence why, for example, during Big Mom's flashback we're told how Road had been born in the village while Loki had also been born in the castle, only for later to be absurdly revealed that the castle was part of that very small village; or why Big Mom expected to gain so much power after the marriage: because, as Chiffon explained, she'd gain access to Elbaph's army, which was yet to be seen because so far we had only seen the outlaws (pirates and related) living in the village far from the castle.

The giant warriors yet to be seen who served Loki and shaped the strongest army in the world were the now scrapped concept of Elbaph's royal army; but this makes no sense now that Loki is a good guy and there's no army to begin with.

 

[TheD.]

The giant warriors yet to be seen who served Loki and shaped the strongest army in the world were the now scrapped concept of Elbaph's royal army; but this makes no sense now that Loki is a good guy and there's no army to begin with.

And elbaf is literally fodder now

they aren’t the strong feared nation of ancient giants that they used to be.


anyways it’s Loki upscale

 

[Monkey D Theories]

It was the BMP + Elbaf. Not Loki alone, who already lost to Shanks.

 

[moreha9685]

It was the BMP + Elbaf. Not Loki alone.

It was BMP + a country of proper giants, not the two villages of kids and Ikea pacifists we eventually got.
Pre-Wano Elbaf was supposed to be a nation of warriors. Now it's a handful of houses, a library, and Haj's fodder crew.

 

[NikaInParis]

It was BMP + a country of proper giants, not the two villages of kids and Ikea pacifists we eventually got.
Pre-Wano Elbaf was supposed to be a nation of warriors. Now it's a handful of houses, a library, and Haj's fodder crew.

Elbaf really is small when you put it like that. A nation of giants on a continent-sized island and we've been looking at one branch of it the entire time.
We've probably seen three or four dozen different giants (counting all the background ones). In a nation of giants.

 

[moreha9685]

Elbaf really is small when you put it like that. A nation of giants on a continent-sized island and we've been looking at one branch of it the entire time.
We've probably seen three or four dozen different giants (counting all the background ones). In a nation of giants.

Oda cut it to the bone because IMU's arrival would immediately be cut short in the Elbaf-that-should-have-been.

 

[NikaInParis]

Oda cut it to the bone because IMU's arrival would immediately be cut short in the Elbaf-that-should-have-been.

Imagine Imu arriving and subduing a nation of giants. The army he himself hyped
One Piece Kai will fix this for us

 

[moreha9685]

Imagine Imu arriving and subduing a nation of giants. The army he himself hyped
One Piece Kai will fix this for us

Yeah, the canon Elbaf arc exists in a paradox.
IMU needs the giants in the future war, that's how powerful they are. That's the whole reason he descended to the world of normies for the first time in centuries. To annex Elbaf.
Yet, at the same time, the giants are weak enough where he can singlehandedly subjugate them in ten minutes.

It's Wano 2.0.
The samurai are so strong that the Marines are too afraid to interfere with the country. Yet what we've seen of the samurai is nothing any other big OP country couldn't reproduce, Alabasta included.

 

[NikaInParis]

Yeah, the canon Elbaf arc exists in a paradox.
IMU needs the giants in the future war, that's how powerful they are. That's the whole reason he descended to the world of normies for the first time in centuries. To annex Elbaf.
Yet, at the same time, the giants are weak enough where he can singlehandedly subjugate them in ten minutes.

It's Wano 2.0.
The samurai are so strong that the Marines are too afraid to interfere with the country. Yet what we've seen of the samurai is nothing any other big OP country couldn't reproduce, Alabasta included.

Even islands have become title merchants in One Piece.

 

[moreha9685]

Even islands have become title merchants in One Piece.

World's Strongest SMILE Army ---> only a threat against the average citizen
World's Strongest Swordsmen Army ---> only a threat against the average Marine
World's Strongest Giant Army ---> only a threat against low- to mid-tier crews

But you get a single
- awakened Zoan,
- adCoc-using swordsman,
- or hax DF merchant
and each army is immediately rendered useless.

Cross Guild will soon gain the World's Richest Independent Banking System title because they're the only ones able to reward bounties.

They're supposed to be worldbuilding titles, designed to round out certain socioeconomical elements, but when Oda only focuses on strength -- not even strategy, but straight up raw power -- then all of those things stop making sense.

You need the World's Strongest SMILE Army if you want to take on the WG, unless you have a legendary dragon DF that bigger and blacker than the other dragon DF.
You need the World's Strongest Swordsmen Army if you want to destabilize MJ, unless you have a fire logia who can do it by himself.
You need the World's Strongest Giant Army if you want to defeat the King of the World, unless you have a reality-warping mythological DF.

They were all originally thought up as necessary pieces of the puzzle in the big revolution that was to replace the WG and the CDs, before Oda went the full shounen route where power, determination, and asspulls are stronger than entire nations of allies.

World's Only And Therefore Biggest Fleet of Buster Call Ships? Sure, just let me ask my buddy Law to Room-warp you all the fuck away from here. Say bye-bye to all that fire-power you wasted time building, maintaining, and navigating.