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TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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paramecia Awakening's bare No meaning to our debate since they don't come with the same pre-requirement and work fundamentally different.
The Zoan's nature that usually overwhelms the user (MP Chopper) doesn't just vanish, Lucci and Kaku are simply in control and yet they don't run around with it 24/7.
So a few points;
-We see the stamina drain present in all forms of awakening with the rookies.
-Katakuri, Kaku and Lucci showed no signs of any stamina issues and are all versed with it.

So that opens the door to being able to maintain it for prolonged periods.

secondly, Killingham has had it for the duration of his arrival. An ambiguous period but no more than a few hours. If he’s an experienced zoan users (he is) there’s zero reason to doubt him here. You’re assuming he needs Luffy’s drawbacks and not the others

What has that to do with each other? Especially when the PU is outsourced lol.
That's no explanation for how and why Killingham should be capable of doing what no other Zoan user has done yet..
You’re here presenting it as an odd or impossible idea that Killingham started in awakening when it’s a power up—when the knights of gods explicit power ups have been Imu related. I’m saying their Pu’s not being fruit related means Oda is more free to start them off at this higher level.

Indeed, you answered yourself.
We have 3 different cases distributed between 5 different characters and a concept that hasn't been elaborated on by the author - case closed.
From here it's just arguing about what you want Killingham to be/have instead of admitting we have to wait and see.
So we have 3 cases and you conclude Killingham falls into the third category which requires outside proof to prove, instead of believing our eyes.

also using the headcanon that only Luffy can have a white Hagoromo because we’ve seen Kaku/Lucci with dark clouds.

Without any note from Oda—why would I believe Killingham is in the same category as Yamato?

He drew Killingham having a clear sign of awakening—why would I not think this is awakening?
 

Veku

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So we have 3 cases and you conclude Killingham falls into the third category which requires outside proof to prove, instead of believing our eyes.

also using the headcanon that only Luffy can have a white Hagoromo because we’ve seen Kaku/Lucci with dark clouds.

Without any note from Oda—why would I believe Killingham is in the same category as Yamato?

He drew Killingham having a clear sign of awakening—why would I not think this is awakening?
I don't conclude that, I said until the author elaborated on that concept, we have to wait and see and not act like one route makes more sense than the other.

You need Oda to explicitly confirm Killingham not to be an Awakened user to, yet you don't need Oda confirming the opposite, even though we have conflicted information and not a real elaborated concepted as to how Zoan Awakening is supposed to look like?
Tell me again I'm the biased one here, when I'm the one open for both routes, while you forcefully want Killingham to be awakened and pretend it's the only reasonable option...
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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I don't conclude that, I said until the author elaborated on that concept, we have to wait and see and not act like one route makes more sense than the other.
Well one route does make more sense. Killingham has signs of awakening visually drawn —> he is awakened unless Oda makes a special note as he’s done in the past.

he’s either awakened or another exception as Yamato is and the latter requires additional statements to prove than looking at his design.

Tell me again I'm the biased one here, when I'm the one open for both routes, while you forcefully want Killingham to be awakened and pretend it's the only reasonable option...
Yes, I think looking at Killingham and saying “he can’t use awakening off the bat, so he’s not awakened despite looking visually like every other awakened zoan. Also only Luffy has white Hagoromo so he’s also not awakened” is not a genuine objective take.

this is Zoro fans and Aramaki’s sword all over again
 
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