Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1193 Spoilers Discussion
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Yeah because Harald did not know that Gaban and Shanks will show up, obviously no one else in that room are gonna beat him
And base Loki stands no chance against Harald
Harald does not know when he can regain consciousness, it's random just like Gunko with Brook
Same with Gaban and Shanks, they did not know about heart gimmick, so they left it to loki like they thought the DF might disable the regen
In the end, turns out it was not done by DF but by striking the heart
And base Loki stands no chance against Harald
Harald does not know when he can regain consciousness, it's random just like Gunko with Brook
Same with Gaban and Shanks, they did not know about heart gimmick, so they left it to loki like they thought the DF might disable the regen
In the end, turns out it was not done by DF but by striking the heart
What's this cope??
Why can't he bring himself back when he fought Gaban and Shanks.... because they're not strong enough to trigger it?? Harald would have killed them too which he doesn't have a chance vs Loki
Harald went from "I'm gonna kill you and take the DF myself"
To
"Wait wait let's stop, let's have some conversations" after Loki beat him up so bad for several minutes nonstop 🤣🤣
Dealing enough Damage is the way to get out from mind control
Why can't he bring himself back when he fought Gaban and Shanks.... because they're not strong enough to trigger it?? Harald would have killed them too which he doesn't have a chance vs Loki
Harald went from "I'm gonna kill you and take the DF myself"
To
"Wait wait let's stop, let's have some conversations" after Loki beat him up so bad for several minutes nonstop 🤣🤣
Dealing enough Damage is the way to get out from mind control
Why is the Harald Loki mecha heart thing being treated as a new revelation lol
I thought the consensus (among people rating him high) was that he overwhelmed Harald long causing the latter to regain control so he could land the finishing blow? Which makes sense with the heart thing.
Don't really think this changes that, unless anyone was dumb enough to think he oneshotted Harald or something.
I thought the consensus (among people rating him high) was that he overwhelmed Harald long causing the latter to regain control so he could land the finishing blow? Which makes sense with the heart thing.
Don't really think this changes that, unless anyone was dumb enough to think he oneshotted Harald or something.
Sanji has it realy hard I mean think about it, he does not only need to unlock coc he also has to fully master it which is a insane growth he has to make.
for Zoro its just playing around until he understands how to aply it the right way, obviously Zoro did go into this fight much stronger than Sanji
for Zoro its just playing around until he understands how to aply it the right way, obviously Zoro did go into this fight much stronger than Sanji
Sanji is about to get some major character focus and go through a major character development before he finally showcases CoC.
We are going to be seeing what is mentally blocking Sanji and what type of King he wants to become.
For Zoro during Wano, it was oh yeah you have CoC, and that was pretty much it.
Obviously Zoro's character focus during the Sommers fight will be him learning on how to control and use his CoC, and how to use it in order to kill Sommers.
But for me I like Sanji's route way more, even if Sanji is going to take longer.
It's actually crazy how much disrespect Zoro can deliver to an opponent, clowning of this level hasnt happened since Monet. 
Sommers' ability is crazier than I thought, the spikes appear where he imagines them, downright broken and yet...
...clowned so hard like it is nothing. DF abilities are worse than basic tricks at this point and we aint in Hakiman Saga yet.
Also, there is a panel focusing on Zoro using COA alone in this chapter and tagging the heart but it bounced off of it...
...I guess Oda really wants to make CoC a must in this case, which is rather lame, an attempt to drag scrub tier higher than they should be.
If Zoro keeps thinking for a minute longer, Imu should watch out, he might get neg diffed by Pinnacle of existence.
It is not 2 years yet and ppl are already agreeing with me? I call this improvement!
Sommers' ability is crazier than I thought, the spikes appear where he imagines them, downright broken and yet...
...clowned so hard like it is nothing. DF abilities are worse than basic tricks at this point and we aint in Hakiman Saga yet.
Also, there is a panel focusing on Zoro using COA alone in this chapter and tagging the heart but it bounced off of it...
...I guess Oda really wants to make CoC a must in this case, which is rather lame, an attempt to drag scrub tier higher than they should be.
If Zoro keeps thinking for a minute longer, Imu should watch out, he might get neg diffed by Pinnacle of existence.
It is not 2 years yet and ppl are already agreeing with me? I call this improvement!
Honestly, weird if they never did. Didn't WB accidentally kill Maffy in GV or am I demented?
Anyways that seems like a White Star Gun situation where people ignored all the fighting before an attack for some reason.
I rate Loki highly because he was able to stand up to HK Harald at all, like that's a Rocks level fighter with a massive boost on top of everything else...the last move was just a finisher.
How do you rate Big Purple btw? God tier, Yonko/Admiral? His powerscaling is a mess but I think he's up there.
Anyways that seems like a White Star Gun situation where people ignored all the fighting before an attack for some reason.
I rate Loki highly because he was able to stand up to HK Harald at all, like that's a Rocks level fighter with a massive boost on top of everything else...the last move was just a finisher.
How do you rate Big Purple btw? God tier, Yonko/Admiral? His powerscaling is a mess but I think he's up there.
No the thought was Loki had a level of CoC beyond the Roger Pirates and that’s how he did it.
But now it’s literally Loki only did it because Harald brought himself back and specifically Told Loki where to hit and didn’t defend himself. Basically saying if Harald never did this, Loki wouldn’t have been able to kill Harald
But now it’s literally Loki only did it because Harald brought himself back and specifically Told Loki where to hit and didn’t defend himself. Basically saying if Harald never did this, Loki wouldn’t have been able to kill Harald
I have a feeling that damaging Adam Tree too much in a single day isn't a good thing,
This Arc focuses on "Children" too much, both present & past,
There are too many References to count,
But I feel like Adam Tree will react to this Battle somehow, and the only possibility I can think of is "Klabautermann",
Because if Ships can have such Spirits, then They possibly come from Wood,
In other words, Louis Arnote Warning was about Adam Tree & what it could Unleash.
This Arc focuses on "Children" too much, both present & past,
There are too many References to count,
But I feel like Adam Tree will react to this Battle somehow, and the only possibility I can think of is "Klabautermann",
Because if Ships can have such Spirits, then They possibly come from Wood,
If you check Wikipedia Page about such Spirits, among Myths about them, there is this:
"The Klabautermann is associated with the wood of the ship on which it lives. He enters the ship via the wood used to build it. A belief existed that if a stillborn or unbaptized child was buried in the heath under a tree, and the wood was then used to build a ship, the child's soul in the form of the Klabautermann would transfer onto that ship."
Punk Hazard References can't be Coincidence, Franky being the one to see that Mural & drawn under Tree is not Coincidence (Klabautermann may appear in the guise of the Ship's Carpenter - Another Line from Wiki), that Ancient Laboratory, Kids who knew about Future Events, the entire Nika Persona & Sounds He make, being associated with both Helping & Destroying (Same as Klabautermann), Adam Tree Wood being used to make Thousand Sunny, Elbaph's Association with Legendary Shipwrights ... etc
People forget that Elbaph changed since Harald Ruled, but Louis Arnote Warning was for Pre-Harald Elbaph (Probably),
It's Land of War, and it makes sense that overstaying there as an Outsider can eventually ignite Battle or War, and no matter how you fight there, you will eventually damage Adam Tree cuz it covers the whole Island, and We're seeing it now,
I also think it's extremely convenient that Elbaph's Treasured DF brings Lightning which is literally what you don't want to see on such Tree Island, almost like the one who eats it is supposed to actually Target Adam Tree, just to Trigger something, (After all, Loki was Introduced as such Threat)
Oda does this Tactics sometimes, like Implying Big Mom is a Cannibal in her Teaser Introduction, and then it was revealed They were just Homies, just to make you feel safe & disregard that initial implication, and then He hits you with Big Mom's Actual Cannibalism,
Same thing here, Oda starts by portraying Loki as the guy who should Destroy Elbaph/Adam Tree, and then He becomes an Ally & cool guy & He protects everyone, only for Oda to reveal that Adam Tree is supposed to be Damaged or Destroyed indeed, that's the whole point of having Lightning, Flight, Shipwrights & an Army, it's about freeing those children's Spirits from Tree & transferring them to Ships, led by Giant Army,
It also fits the Theme of this Arc, as having Children or losing them is what's being used against these Giants, only for it to become their Source of Strength.
"The Klabautermann is associated with the wood of the ship on which it lives. He enters the ship via the wood used to build it. A belief existed that if a stillborn or unbaptized child was buried in the heath under a tree, and the wood was then used to build a ship, the child's soul in the form of the Klabautermann would transfer onto that ship."
Punk Hazard References can't be Coincidence, Franky being the one to see that Mural & drawn under Tree is not Coincidence (Klabautermann may appear in the guise of the Ship's Carpenter - Another Line from Wiki), that Ancient Laboratory, Kids who knew about Future Events, the entire Nika Persona & Sounds He make, being associated with both Helping & Destroying (Same as Klabautermann), Adam Tree Wood being used to make Thousand Sunny, Elbaph's Association with Legendary Shipwrights ... etc
People forget that Elbaph changed since Harald Ruled, but Louis Arnote Warning was for Pre-Harald Elbaph (Probably),
It's Land of War, and it makes sense that overstaying there as an Outsider can eventually ignite Battle or War, and no matter how you fight there, you will eventually damage Adam Tree cuz it covers the whole Island, and We're seeing it now,
I also think it's extremely convenient that Elbaph's Treasured DF brings Lightning which is literally what you don't want to see on such Tree Island, almost like the one who eats it is supposed to actually Target Adam Tree, just to Trigger something, (After all, Loki was Introduced as such Threat)
Oda does this Tactics sometimes, like Implying Big Mom is a Cannibal in her Teaser Introduction, and then it was revealed They were just Homies, just to make you feel safe & disregard that initial implication, and then He hits you with Big Mom's Actual Cannibalism,
Same thing here, Oda starts by portraying Loki as the guy who should Destroy Elbaph/Adam Tree, and then He becomes an Ally & cool guy & He protects everyone, only for Oda to reveal that Adam Tree is supposed to be Damaged or Destroyed indeed, that's the whole point of having Lightning, Flight, Shipwrights & an Army, it's about freeing those children's Spirits from Tree & transferring them to Ships, led by Giant Army,
It also fits the Theme of this Arc, as having Children or losing them is what's being used against these Giants, only for it to become their Source of Strength.
In other words, Louis Arnote Warning was about Adam Tree & what it could Unleash.
This is why Wano was better.
Zoro stopped thinking and just started doing shit.
Thanks to the enchanted blade Enma sucking everything out of him... CoC & CoA... he'd have slaughtered Sommers with this single move.
After the Onigashima fight, the mechanics of how Enma functions was changed ("Zoro mastered it better" i guess).
Zori also grew more braincells (3 became 6) and started to "think".
Thinking is overrated unless you are a genius, Zoro should be and act more like a retarded beast imo.
God tier Loki > HK Harald > normal Harald/Xebec agenda ruined. You love to see it.
Zoro stopped thinking and just started doing shit.
Thanks to the enchanted blade Enma sucking everything out of him... CoC & CoA... he'd have slaughtered Sommers with this single move.
After the Onigashima fight, the mechanics of how Enma functions was changed ("Zoro mastered it better" i guess).
Zori also grew more braincells (3 became 6) and started to "think".
Thinking is overrated unless you are a genius, Zoro should be and act more like a retarded beast imo.
It is not 2 years yet and ppl are already agreeing with me? I call this improvement!
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