Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1193 Spoilers Discussion

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Loki believes he can take care of Imu by himself with his hybrid, even telling Luffy to lie down and rest.
He's obviously getting ahead of himself as we know he ain't beating Imu, but the implication is that he never got humbled in this form.

That or he somehow believes Red Rat > current Imu, which is a credible as True Prime Roger ~ Imu lmfao
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Zoro doesn't actually know how to coat his attacks with CoC lol, or is wasting 99% of its potential

This whole time he is just oozing Conquerors Haki for no reason. Which is crazy because it is a huge nerf

i got it right in my latest thread
Yup zoro about to have a massive jump in power

Like luffy when he went from one shot to going toe to toe with hybrid kaido
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
No, you are mistaking DC for AP. You're herp derp DBZ scaling atp, looking for the biggest booms.
It’s got nothing to do with DC.

The raw strength required to sent giant Imu flying across Elbaph is a direct result of the power of Loki’s attacks. His brute strength is tiers and tiers beyond Gaban, that is factual. If Gaban got a free hit on Giant Imu, would he send him flying across Elbaph? No. He would cut him sure but he would not do this:

So yes, Loki’s strength (attack power) is tiers above Gaban. You could say Gaban has greater lethality than fruitless Loki but you can’t say he has greater raw strength. Just like Zolo and Luffy: Zolo’s lethality is far above Luffy but Luffy is outright stronger than him.

I don’t have much of an issue with Gaban having greater lethality than Loki since Gaban fights with axes which should have higher lethality than a hammer. In terms of brute strength, Loki destroys him tho. (So does Hajrudin)

Roger and Garp's final attack is far superior to any attack we've seen in One Piece thus far, yet it had no DC.
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Citation needed, lmfao

At best you could say this was maybe the most lethal attack we’ve seen since it pierced suicidal Xebec’s CoC shield but I don’t think you could even prove that since Harald and Xebec were shown piercing each other’s CoC armor in non-suicidal states when they fought on Elbaph.

Luffy's attack that broke through Imu's shield had no DC yet it's the strongest attack Imu's been hit with thus far.
This attack did have DC first of all, we see it in the raws. It’s a giant lightning kamehameha that smashes a huge hole in the Adam Tree. That is in part a result of Loki’s brute strength, and Loki’s brute strength is the core reason that Luffy broke through form 2 Imu’s shield (seeing as how form 1 Imu was easily blocking genie Nika with his bare hands).

Gaban's attack wasn't as flashy as Loki's but he made up for it in attack potency. Hiding behind lethality here is a cop-out.
I feel like attack potency and lethality mean the same thing lol. Gaban’s attacks have basically zero brute strength behind them but they are highly lethal due to Gaban being a CoC master. Loki is not a CoC master, he is a giant brute who also possesses CoC and not a CoC based fighter. So Gaban’s CoC having greater lethality would make sense.

Your Asura vs Luffy's punches comparison is a false equivalency because Gaban didn't scar Imu. His haki strike alone left Imu bloodied and then his attack left Imu genuinely floored and impressed, triggering Imu's transformation.
How is it any different? Both Gaban and Zolo are weaklings without much brute strength to speak of, they just have highly lethal attacks due to them being blade weilders lol. You won’t see Gaban or Zolo sending a giant flying across Elbaph because they are physically weak, but you will see people like Hajrudin and Loki having that caliber of brute strength.

What you are doing is saying lethality > brute strength. If that were the case, Luffy would have stepped down and Zolo would have become the Straw Hat captain a long time ago. Lol
 
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Whole discourse makes me think it's G5 vs Kaido all over again.

Like how people claim Luffy to be weaker because "he had help" even though Kaido had help too and both were equally exhausted as of the final fight...and even though the narrative treats Luffy as the defeater of Kaido who was deemed worthy by him.

Now Loki shredding Harald is discarded similarly because of that last blow, even though Harald, Imu, etc hyped up Loki specifically.
Also people coping that Harald broke out of it by himself when the obvious implication is that the fruit can counter the possession and certain other abilities that Imu has.
Genuinely have no clue as to why people think Harald told Loki to eat the fruit if he believed Loki wouldn't be strong enough to beat him anyway
 
Whole discourse makes me think it's G5 vs Kaido all over again.

Like how people claim Luffy to be weaker because "he had help" even though Kaido had help too and both were equally exhausted as of the final fight...and even though the narrative treats Luffy as the defeater of Kaido who was deemed worthy by him.

Now Loki shredding Harald is discarded similarly because of that last blow, even though Harald, Imu, etc hyped up Loki specifically.
Harald vs Loki has nothing to do with Kaido vs. Luffy. Harald literally stopped fighting and told Loki how to kill him.
 
Zoro doesn't actually know how to coat his attacks with CoC lol, or is wasting 99% of its potential

This whole time he is just oozing Conquerors Haki for no reason. Which is crazy because it is a huge nerf

i got it right in my latest thread
He coats his KOH attacks with ACoC. The problem is he doesn't know KOH is even ACoC. What he trying to do is do ACoC without having to to do KOH. Which means he can do AcoC whenever not just in his KOH state.
 
Ohhhh sooo it's fucking confirmed lmfao

Mini flashback: Loki: Before I delivered my finishing blow, Pops pointed to his own heart and told me... “Strike here!” Back to the present.

I told you mouthbreathers Loki wasn't stronger than HK Harald :milaugh::milaugh::milaugh:
This is common sense lol. Also that was Loki when he first obtained his fruit and CoC. The Loki thats fighting know is stronger. I don't know if current Loki is stronger than that Harold tho. But if Imu makes a statement maybe we can get a clear piture after he fights Hybrid Loki.
 
oda is such a bad writer lol sommers was clearly far above zoro but now zoro is far above sommers with no real explanation for it
Zoro switched on the CoC coating button somehow and almost one shot Sommers. Thats how insane the power is for him

I don't think its bad writing, i think it fits Zoro's dumb ass a lot since he is the tough and edgy retard most of the time (he has been casually oozing CoC but had absolutely no idea, its kinda cool and dumb at the same time)

The moment he stopped and actually thought about it he almost won the fight
 
Harald vs Loki has nothing to do with Kaido vs. Luffy. Harald literally stopped fighting and told Loki how to kill him.
He stopped fighting after getting slapped around for a good bit, and after stating that Loki with the fruit might stand a chance. Him letting Loki land the finisher does not change that the latter was not far from him in power.

More to the point, it is not that the fights are similar, it's that the discourse surrounding them is.

There is the idea that Loki and Luffy had a massive gap from their opponents despite beating them, which the narrative does not imply at least imo.
 
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