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It's important to understand that while Marxism can be used to create communism. It is first and foremost a analysis framework. A grid/lens that can allow us to understand the world with a much better accuracy than the current liberal and idealist analysis.
Dialectical materialism is not a system, it's a vision.
As such, people like me, who are still anti-authoritarian can still use marxism as a frame of reference in order to analyze the power relationships. It is in this way that I use marxism. I'm not trying to create communism... yet. I keep my options and mind open.
Indeed. We need to be careful not to pin down everything on Israel, it's a slippery slope toward conspiracy theory and reactionnarism.
At best, we can analyze the big geopolitical relationship under the anti-imperialist to understand how the fall of the west to the far right is a Israelian and US interests, but going as far as calling conspiracies (I saw a lot of people talk about the WTC as a conspiracy for ex), no.
Let's be careful.
No but there is something to be said about that. Two things:
1. We need not to fall into the antisemitic conspiracy that jews(and zionist) control the world. The anger against zionist and Israel should not allow us to be antisemitic.
2. Saying this invisibilizes the fact that there are real zionists and israelian lobby trying to have an impact on foreign affairs. These are very dangerous and must be denounced. But not under an antisemitic banner.
While I will not "tone police" how Palestinian expresses their anger, we, in the west, are in a position where we must avoid real antisemitism, especially because said antisemitism is used against us then by zionist and pro-israelian politics and media to shut us up.
- Yes, Israel is committing genocide, appartheid, colonization on both Gaza/Palestine and Lebanon
- Yes Israel is intervening in foreign affairs to destabilize the west in ordore to push US imperialism and their interests
- Yes, zionists have a powerfull voice and pro-Israel politics and media are corrupting the ethics of our countries and makes them complicit with the genocide
- Yes Israel must be brought to justice and Palestinian get reparations and their land back
- Yes, we must fight back because the situation is horrible
But never with antisemitism. Jews are jews, zionist are zionist. They are not the same, zionist must be fought, not Jews and jews are not Israel either. Again, let's be careful.
Dialectical materialism is not a system, it's a vision.
As such, people like me, who are still anti-authoritarian can still use marxism as a frame of reference in order to analyze the power relationships. It is in this way that I use marxism. I'm not trying to create communism... yet. I keep my options and mind open.
Indeed. We need to be careful not to pin down everything on Israel, it's a slippery slope toward conspiracy theory and reactionnarism.
At best, we can analyze the big geopolitical relationship under the anti-imperialist to understand how the fall of the west to the far right is a Israelian and US interests, but going as far as calling conspiracies (I saw a lot of people talk about the WTC as a conspiracy for ex), no.
Let's be careful.
No but there is something to be said about that. Two things:
1. We need not to fall into the antisemitic conspiracy that jews(and zionist) control the world. The anger against zionist and Israel should not allow us to be antisemitic.
2. Saying this invisibilizes the fact that there are real zionists and israelian lobby trying to have an impact on foreign affairs. These are very dangerous and must be denounced. But not under an antisemitic banner.
While I will not "tone police" how Palestinian expresses their anger, we, in the west, are in a position where we must avoid real antisemitism, especially because said antisemitism is used against us then by zionist and pro-israelian politics and media to shut us up.
- Yes, Israel is committing genocide, appartheid, colonization on both Gaza/Palestine and Lebanon
- Yes Israel is intervening in foreign affairs to destabilize the west in ordore to push US imperialism and their interests
- Yes, zionists have a powerfull voice and pro-Israel politics and media are corrupting the ethics of our countries and makes them complicit with the genocide
- Yes Israel must be brought to justice and Palestinian get reparations and their land back
- Yes, we must fight back because the situation is horrible
But never with antisemitism. Jews are jews, zionist are zionist. They are not the same, zionist must be fought, not Jews and jews are not Israel either. Again, let's be careful.
Now it doesn't mean it's not possible. Technically, Israel and the US have the ressources to do dark stuff under the radar and we saw with the Epstein file that Israel had a lot of hands in a lot of dark. But we must always be very careful.
Jews in the world are still racialized, and they are still a victim of far rightists AND now with the anger against Israel, antisemitism do rise on the left too. Jew's oppression is not gone, fascists just changed their priorities to muslims
Jews in the world are still racialized, and they are still a victim of far rightists AND now with the anger against Israel, antisemitism do rise on the left too. Jew's oppression is not gone, fascists just changed their priorities to muslims
I know from experience how easy anger or ignorance can be turned into conspiracy theory and how that mindset can then be channeled by reactionnaries to spread bad stuff.
If we call ourselves leftists, we must always be on the look-out for our material interests, our position of domination, our biases and our potential slip up toward reacitonnary ideas. Like... constantly.
A day within being careful, a simple video you watch on youtube without double checking the rest of the content, can create the condition to make you slip toward fascism without you even realizing over time. Especially when you are angry. (I'm exagerating a bit on purpose but this is to say that reactionnarism is what we seek in capitalism, it's confortable, so it's easy to fall into without realizing)
Be always on guard.
If we call ourselves leftists, we must always be on the look-out for our material interests, our position of domination, our biases and our potential slip up toward reacitonnary ideas. Like... constantly.
A day within being careful, a simple video you watch on youtube without double checking the rest of the content, can create the condition to make you slip toward fascism without you even realizing over time. Especially when you are angry. (I'm exagerating a bit on purpose but this is to say that reactionnarism is what we seek in capitalism, it's confortable, so it's easy to fall into without realizing)
Be always on guard.
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The absolute worst part of calling out Israel is if you do it enough, people will start calling you an anti-semite over total bullshit.
You make a point in a post saying Israel has been involved in sending refugees to countries that hate them to try to divide people, and people will lie and say I'm pushing antisemitic conspiracy theories.
Like, I know what Syria is. I know what Israel has done to Syria. I know about the refugees that have had to flee the country because of Israel bombing them.
Like, "wow, gotcha, you're such a racist conspiracy theorist!!!"... for... believing facts about Israel bombing people, and causing refugees to be displaced? It's a fact they dropped the bombs. It's a fact they help facilitate refugees they bomb into Western Countries. Israel talks about how much they hate the Muslims they're bombing, then talk about how much they hate American and Europeans and want to ruin our countries. Sorry I put two and two together???
It would be racist as hell if I was like "Wow it's the Jews, all the Jews are doing this", NO, it's fucking Zionists and Israel, this is not a Jewish problem, it's a Zionist problem. Some of the loudest anti-Zionist voices in America are from Jewish groups. IE, Bernie.
I'm not blaming all the Christians in the USA for MAGA, I'm blaming the others acting like the Christian Germans in the 30s and 40s.
It's crazy how mentioning facts about Israel supporting displacing Muslim people and shoving them into Western Countries will have people call you a racist.
Where'd the Syrian refugees come from, then? Did they pop out of the Leprechaun's Pot of Gold? Were they hiding in a Star Gate, somewhere?
No, those refugees came from the USA and Israel bombing the shit out of innocent Muslim people, many of whom are Semites.
Oi vey.
If people want to say I despise religion, that's fine, I think children should be kept as far away from religion as possible, but I am NOT an anti-semite on any fucking level, and it pisses me off people are calling me that over such basic bitch bullshit.
Hell, the Jewish religion comes from Polythetic Mesopotamian Religions that edited the other Gods out, what in the FUCK is the point of hating on the Jews for cults that predates their existence?
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"The widespread belief among archeological and historical scholars is that the origins of Judaism lie in the Achaemenid province of Yehud. Judaism evolved from the ancient Israelite religion, developing new conceptions of the priesthood, a focus on Written Law and scripture and the prohibition of intermarriage with non-Jews.[6]
During the Iron Age I period (12th to 11th centuries BCE[7]), the religion of the Israelites branched out of the Canaanite religion and took the form of Yahwism. Yahwism was the national religion of the Kingdom of Israel and of the Kingdom of Judah.[8][9] As distinct from other Canaanite religious traditions, Yahwism was monolatristic and focused on the particular worship of Yahweh, whom his worshippers conflated with El.[10] Yahwists appeared to start denying the existence of other gods, whether Canaanite or foreign, as Yahwism became more strictly monotheistic over time.[11][12]"
"The religion and mythic beliefs of the people in the land of Canaan in the southern Levant during approximately the first three millennia BCE were polytheistic and in some cases monolatristic. They were influenced by neighboring cultures, particularly ancient Egyptian and Mesopotamian religious practices. The pantheon was headed by the god El and his consort Asherah, with other significant deities including Baal, Anat, Astarte, Dagon, and Rešep.[1] "
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Fuck Nazis, people who blame kids like Anne Frank for the horrors of religion and politics are absolute scum. Blame the people in charge, damn it.
Religion is evil because teaching children to worship people over other people is racism to begin with. The idea that "God" is superior/better than everyone else, that we're inherently inferior, that we should serve them naturally, and that they should punish us if we don't love them or listen to them is just crazy racist bullshit.
Spirituality is fine, loving nature/God is normal. Religion is evil, because at the end of the day, it's just using divinity to justify racism:
Oh, they're god, so it's okay if they kill and rape people. They're better, so it's okay for them to kill those who are "less holy".
Bunch of fucking bullshit.
Gods should serve, not rule. Christ came correctly. Christ wanted us to evolve to his level, not tell us we sucked and couldn't get better.
Fuck all the eugenic bullshit in the Abrahamic Religions and Hinduism, there is SOOOOO much toxic eugenic bullshit in those half-assed mythologies, and it really dilutes the good messages in other parts of their canons.
Why do they always have to make Jesus as dorky as possible in cartoons, I swear to God. Like, THIS WAS INTENTIONAL, no one can tell me this wasn't intentional
You make a point in a post saying Israel has been involved in sending refugees to countries that hate them to try to divide people, and people will lie and say I'm pushing antisemitic conspiracy theories.
Like, I know what Syria is. I know what Israel has done to Syria. I know about the refugees that have had to flee the country because of Israel bombing them.
Like, "wow, gotcha, you're such a racist conspiracy theorist!!!"... for... believing facts about Israel bombing people, and causing refugees to be displaced? It's a fact they dropped the bombs. It's a fact they help facilitate refugees they bomb into Western Countries. Israel talks about how much they hate the Muslims they're bombing, then talk about how much they hate American and Europeans and want to ruin our countries. Sorry I put two and two together???
It would be racist as hell if I was like "Wow it's the Jews, all the Jews are doing this", NO, it's fucking Zionists and Israel, this is not a Jewish problem, it's a Zionist problem. Some of the loudest anti-Zionist voices in America are from Jewish groups. IE, Bernie.
I'm not blaming all the Christians in the USA for MAGA, I'm blaming the others acting like the Christian Germans in the 30s and 40s.
It's crazy how mentioning facts about Israel supporting displacing Muslim people and shoving them into Western Countries will have people call you a racist.
Where'd the Syrian refugees come from, then? Did they pop out of the Leprechaun's Pot of Gold? Were they hiding in a Star Gate, somewhere?
No, those refugees came from the USA and Israel bombing the shit out of innocent Muslim people, many of whom are Semites.
Oi vey.
If people want to say I despise religion, that's fine, I think children should be kept as far away from religion as possible, but I am NOT an anti-semite on any fucking level, and it pisses me off people are calling me that over such basic bitch bullshit.
Hell, the Jewish religion comes from Polythetic Mesopotamian Religions that edited the other Gods out, what in the FUCK is the point of hating on the Jews for cults that predates their existence?
...
"The widespread belief among archeological and historical scholars is that the origins of Judaism lie in the Achaemenid province of Yehud. Judaism evolved from the ancient Israelite religion, developing new conceptions of the priesthood, a focus on Written Law and scripture and the prohibition of intermarriage with non-Jews.[6]
During the Iron Age I period (12th to 11th centuries BCE[7]), the religion of the Israelites branched out of the Canaanite religion and took the form of Yahwism. Yahwism was the national religion of the Kingdom of Israel and of the Kingdom of Judah.[8][9] As distinct from other Canaanite religious traditions, Yahwism was monolatristic and focused on the particular worship of Yahweh, whom his worshippers conflated with El.[10] Yahwists appeared to start denying the existence of other gods, whether Canaanite or foreign, as Yahwism became more strictly monotheistic over time.[11][12]"
"The religion and mythic beliefs of the people in the land of Canaan in the southern Levant during approximately the first three millennia BCE were polytheistic and in some cases monolatristic. They were influenced by neighboring cultures, particularly ancient Egyptian and Mesopotamian religious practices. The pantheon was headed by the god El and his consort Asherah, with other significant deities including Baal, Anat, Astarte, Dagon, and Rešep.[1] "
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Fuck Nazis, people who blame kids like Anne Frank for the horrors of religion and politics are absolute scum. Blame the people in charge, damn it.
Religion is evil because teaching children to worship people over other people is racism to begin with. The idea that "God" is superior/better than everyone else, that we're inherently inferior, that we should serve them naturally, and that they should punish us if we don't love them or listen to them is just crazy racist bullshit.
Spirituality is fine, loving nature/God is normal. Religion is evil, because at the end of the day, it's just using divinity to justify racism:
Oh, they're god, so it's okay if they kill and rape people. They're better, so it's okay for them to kill those who are "less holy".
Bunch of fucking bullshit.
Gods should serve, not rule. Christ came correctly. Christ wanted us to evolve to his level, not tell us we sucked and couldn't get better.
Fuck all the eugenic bullshit in the Abrahamic Religions and Hinduism, there is SOOOOO much toxic eugenic bullshit in those half-assed mythologies, and it really dilutes the good messages in other parts of their canons.
Why do they always have to make Jesus as dorky as possible in cartoons, I swear to God. Like, THIS WAS INTENTIONAL, no one can tell me this wasn't intentional
Zionists run most human governments through blackmail/threats/bribes. Above them are the elite families that generally hide in the shadows, the bloodlines you can trace back to ancient royalty (Alien)
The planet is run by Archons/Draconians, but they're losing control in droves, and other advanced races/groups are arguing over what to do next.
It's a giant fucking mess, to be honest with you.
Christ/Buddha were correct about mostly everything, but their true messages have been hidden/destroyed through time due to the threat they pose to the "establishment".
People are finally starting to wake up to how wrong everything is. Took us long enough.
The planet is run by Archons/Draconians, but they're losing control in droves, and other advanced races/groups are arguing over what to do next.
It's a giant fucking mess, to be honest with you.
Christ/Buddha were correct about mostly everything, but their true messages have been hidden/destroyed through time due to the threat they pose to the "establishment".
People are finally starting to wake up to how wrong everything is. Took us long enough.
The official story regarding Charlie's death is honestly some of the greatest bullshit I have ever seen.
Just the fake science involving the shooting is hilarious, at times I wonder if they actually used AI to create the narrative they used.
Bro I feel so bad for his kids, they are surrounded by monsters who sold their dad out to die.
That's when I realized how insidious the system was.
If you're bad, and honestly realize it, and try to change, they will end you that fast.
That's when I started to realize the system I was looking at was beyond humanity in scope, and that there had to be other, more advanced species involved.
I just realize it's the politics section, so there's only so much "it's the Alpha Draconians" I can post without getting too off topic and having AL get mad at me...
Because, honestly?
When I go, "No, it's not really the Zionists, it's the demons from another dimension, the Archons, and the Reptiles/Dragons from the Orion System, the Alpha Draconians", I'm well aware that it just makes me look like a crazy racist UFO junkie.
It's really fucking hard to talk about this subject without sounding either insincere or outright insane.
But everything I've seen has proven to me that blaming all of these wars, censorship, and misuse of technology on humanity just doesn't track.
Our species' history is full of our ancestors claiming that powers beyond them were manipulating them. People separated by oceans, deserts, millennia came to the same conclusions. That humanity was being manipulated by other forces.
And, honestly, that perfectly explains the behavior of freakshow cultists like Elon Musk.
Why does this guy act like this? Why does he have power in the first place? Because THERE IS some dark being, some mystical force these fuckers are worshipping, that's giving them power.
Look at Hollywood, and this Eyes Wide Shut Shit... if these people were actually in charge, why would they be doing it to themselves?
They're not running the cult... they're slaves to it, just like everyone else, and abusing those lower on the totem pole than they are to escape their own misery.
Nothing has convinced me that rich people are worshipping some real evil force more than studying their own behavior.
Our ancestors were telling the truth, we've been getting manipulated by hidden, cowardly forces for a long time.
I really hate the whole "Dark" bullshit, though, the "oh it's the Dark Forces" crap. "Oh no, it's Black Cat", stupid racist bullshit.
The Dark, the Negative force, is just as beautiful as the Light, the Positive force. Now I'm getting too Gnostic, though, I'll end the post here, sorry for ranting.
Just the fake science involving the shooting is hilarious, at times I wonder if they actually used AI to create the narrative they used.
Bro I feel so bad for his kids, they are surrounded by monsters who sold their dad out to die.
That's when I realized how insidious the system was.
If you're bad, and honestly realize it, and try to change, they will end you that fast.
That's when I started to realize the system I was looking at was beyond humanity in scope, and that there had to be other, more advanced species involved.
I just realize it's the politics section, so there's only so much "it's the Alpha Draconians" I can post without getting too off topic and having AL get mad at me...
Because, honestly?
When I go, "No, it's not really the Zionists, it's the demons from another dimension, the Archons, and the Reptiles/Dragons from the Orion System, the Alpha Draconians", I'm well aware that it just makes me look like a crazy racist UFO junkie.
It's really fucking hard to talk about this subject without sounding either insincere or outright insane.
But everything I've seen has proven to me that blaming all of these wars, censorship, and misuse of technology on humanity just doesn't track.
Our species' history is full of our ancestors claiming that powers beyond them were manipulating them. People separated by oceans, deserts, millennia came to the same conclusions. That humanity was being manipulated by other forces.
And, honestly, that perfectly explains the behavior of freakshow cultists like Elon Musk.
Why does this guy act like this? Why does he have power in the first place? Because THERE IS some dark being, some mystical force these fuckers are worshipping, that's giving them power.
Look at Hollywood, and this Eyes Wide Shut Shit... if these people were actually in charge, why would they be doing it to themselves?
They're not running the cult... they're slaves to it, just like everyone else, and abusing those lower on the totem pole than they are to escape their own misery.
Nothing has convinced me that rich people are worshipping some real evil force more than studying their own behavior.
Our ancestors were telling the truth, we've been getting manipulated by hidden, cowardly forces for a long time.
I really hate the whole "Dark" bullshit, though, the "oh it's the Dark Forces" crap. "Oh no, it's Black Cat", stupid racist bullshit.
The Dark, the Negative force, is just as beautiful as the Light, the Positive force. Now I'm getting too Gnostic, though, I'll end the post here, sorry for ranting.
@CoC: Color of Clowns , do you know what Zetetics are?
Not a Nazi, just a conspiracy theorist lmao. He has always been like that, it's not new
I'm not jumping at him because there is the potential of a leftist.
Your conspiracy theorism - on the other hand - is kinda new, I'm still wondering if you are trolling.
Not a Nazi, just a conspiracy theorist lmao. He has always been like that, it's not new
I'm not jumping at him because there is the potential of a leftist.
Your conspiracy theorism - on the other hand - is kinda new, I'm still wondering if you are trolling.