Super Role Madness The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt

[Ratchet]

Also again, idk how Zemmi was lynched if he had 1 co on him and Jinri/Jan having 2.

The only possibility that comes to mind is some kind of vote theif or drain that ended up hitting you and one of jinri's voters. Could also be a complete botch from scum at the end of the day and they messed up their targeted, which suggests a fairly undisciplined team anyway. Might be some townie claims it too. I don't think we can solve that aspect tonight.

Main takeaway is scum didn't manage to save Zemmi over Jinri. Which could mean Jinri is scum. She posted like she was outed. But you have to be careful with making those assumptions. I'm hoping that the vig deals with her so we have a flip. If they vig doesn't shoot I will treat any future killing role claim as a scum claim because it's essential.

If jinri isn't dead we may have to just lynch her tomorrow. I also think Reloaded has to be looked at by now because there just isn't enough to clear. It's the last 1-2 that concerns me the most.

 

[Charlie]

No because she was using that to throw shade and dirt on Xlaw. I mean it's possible of course but it doesn't make much sense to me. Just step back and think about it. If they're scum together, why would Xlaw claim results - it puts his claim and Zemmi's at odds. It could be one big botch job of course but then you have to ask where the town investigatives are and so on.

They way i'd see it would be her doing it to give him excuse do avoid giving results and him not following the plan.

That would be first game I've ever played without investigator so yeah. I'd be less paranoid if we saw rolecop claim

 

[Ratchet]

I like thinking of worst case scenarios tbh

Like, i was thinking maybe Zemmi's hidden action is something like "get sacrificed for some type of mass kill" and that's why they didn't care, but this is too much of doom thinking even for me i think.

Did you think Zemmi was going to flip scum? I feel like in those situations you have to just play to what we think, if we lose to some mass bomb that kills everyone then that's okay, nothing you can do about that. It's imperative that we keep things simple and our assumptions in check, as much as we can.

 

[Charlie]

The only possibility that comes to mind is some kind of vote theif or drain that ended up hitting you and one of jinri's voters. Could also be a complete botch from scum at the end of the day and they messed up their targeted, which suggests a fairly undisciplined team anyway. Might be some townie claims it too. I don't think we can solve that aspect tonight.

Main takeaway is scum didn't manage to save Zemmi over Jinri. Which could mean Jinri is scum. She posted like she was outed. But you have to be careful with making those assumptions. I'm hoping that the vig deals with her so we have a flip. If they vig doesn't shoot I will treat any future killing role claim as a scum claim because it's essential.

If jinri isn't dead we may have to just lynch her tomorrow. I also think Reloaded has to be looked at by now because there just isn't enough to clear. It's the last 1-2 that concerns me the most.

Hmm... I mean me and kweh got wish from flower. Could be that this is the price for the wish? I mean this and not "can't be targetted".

VC6 D3

Jinri - 2
Zemmi - 1
Jan - 1
Charlie - 1


Charlie: Xlaw > Jinri > Zemmi > Jan
Ratchet: Flower > Jinri > unvote > Zemmi
Jan: Charlie
The Orca: Jinri
KWEH: Jinri
Ace Marvel: Jinri > unvote​

 

[Ratchet]

They way i'd see it would be her doing it to give him excuse do avoid giving results and him not following the plan.

That would be first game I've ever played without investigator so yeah. I'd be less paranoid if we saw rolecop claim

He claimed before she did, iirc. There is also the motivation behind it - all xlaw really achieves is making me harder to lynch, and a defender in me for a time. Eventually if he doesn't die then we need to be asking questions.

 

[Charlie]

Did you think Zemmi was going to flip scum? I feel like in those situations you have to just play to what we think, if we lose to some mass bomb that kills everyone then that's okay, nothing you can do about that. It's imperative that we keep things simple and our assumptions in check, as much as we can.

Until last few minutes yeah

 

[Ratchet]

Hmm... I mean me and kweh got wish from flower. Could be that this is the price for the wish? I mean this and not "can't be targetted".

It absolutely can be, yes. Add in Jan had a wish too and that would make Orca and I the only valid voters. It's very possible.

I am like a broken record but Flower is not helping the town. She's not a town asset. Ekko was likely right - she probably is in some communication with scum and is working to help them. But regardless, with the price of the wish not being known it's very dangerous to use them.

I should add we dont actually have a claim from Kweh.

 

[Ratchet]

I think in general we need to get our WIM up as town. In days 1 through 3 minimal votes have decided the lynch, we've kind of gotten away with it so far but we must get more engagement. Days are long enough for it. Every vote must be reasoned out, no more careless votes that are going stray. As we are we run the risk of losing control of our only guaranteed weapon, we must do better if we are going to secure this game.

 

[Charlie]

It absolutely can be, yes. Add in Jan had a wish too and that would make Orca and I the only valid voters. It's very possible.

I am like a broken record but Flower is not helping the town. She's not a town asset. Ekko was likely right - she probably is in some communication with scum and is working to help them. But regardless, with the price of the wish not being known it's very dangerous to use them.

I should add we dont actually have a claim from Kweh.

Kweh claimed post restriction on Flower D1. She broke it but we don't know what happened after she did. And apparently he has passive that gives you his flavour if you visit him. Which i guess could be type od gf passive?

Also i'm fully aware flower isn't pro town whatsoever but like, at this point idk if there's time for this anymore really. Lesson for the future, whenever seeing any indie claim, turn off thinking and Lynch it asap

 

[Charlie]

Also he claims results of "Ratchet watcher" but that's the wish thing

 

[Ratchet]

Kweh claimed post restriction on Flower D1. She broke it but we don't know what happened after she did. And apparently he has passive that gives you his flavour if you visit him. Which i guess could be type od gf passive?

Also i'm fully aware flower isn't pro town whatsoever but like, at this point idk if there's time for this anymore really. Lesson for the future, whenever seeing any indie claim, turn off thinking and Lynch it asap

I feel like if his flavour is given out, it would be fairly bastard if it's his fake claim or something. What we should do is have Jan claim Kweh's character tomorrow. We do need a bit more from Kweh though.

I'm not in agreement with you regarding indies. I just think you can't trust players like Flower. They will turn the knife in a heartbeat, and cannot be reasoned with. You can't ask Flower to defend her position and engage logically, she will just OMGUS vote and make it impossible to discuss further. You can't have that because you need a line of communication with the indie to be able to establish trust.

As for it being too late, maybe. I want to ask that no one engage with any more wishes until we have it confirmed exactly what the costs are, exactly what Flower's win con really is, and the exact limits. Whether we can do that in practice I don't know. Then, if we can get a couple more good lynches going we can look at maybe removing Flower if she hasn't proven herself to be beneficial to keep around by then.

 

[Charlie]

Zemmi's reads btw. Had Melkor as town, Ekko as scum

Btw I think you asked for mine. These are the ones I shared in the neighborhood chat last night.

1.) Flower (confirmed anti-town)

2.) Ekko - Don’t like him suss’ing me when he has played with me

3.) Jinri - I don’t really recall much from just relocation from them.

4.) Ali - Also acts like he’s never played with me and his shocked expression when someone who was being voted claimed.

5.) XLaw - Weird how he just showed up when people started talking about him and he somehow managed to avoid claiming.

6.) Yoshi - Posts are kinda weird, in a not really following way.

7.) Michelle - I really want to put her closer to town but I really don’t like how she is acting like she has never played with me before.

8.) Yoho - I never have a solid read on him and he can always go either way until I see more of him.

9.) The Orca - Leaning town because no one countered him and so far Polar seems to trust him (Unless they are scum together. Which did happen once that threw me off.)

10.) AceMarvel- Townish, I felt their interaction wasn’t as scummy as people made it sound with Flower. Unless they weren’t joking.

11.) Polar Bear - Has a town vibe when he talks and I don’t hate his reads, but don’t love them either but they seem honest.

12.) Ratchet - Feel he is town by his demeanor

13.) bittersweet- I just don’t get a scum vibe from them even though I can’t point to anything strong town either.

14.) Charlie - He seems like he has in other games I’ve played with him, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen him play scum.

15.) Lord Melkor - He seems like his typical townself

16.) KWEH - Trust Flower or more less believe she would want true town trust from it.

17.) Alyssa - Would be a bold move to create a chat as scum

18.) Naomi - her senseless claim

19.) Zemmi - confirmed town by me

 

[Charlie]

I feel like if his flavour is given out, it would be fairly bastard if it's his fake claim or something. What we should do is have Jan claim Kweh's character tomorrow. We do need a bit more from Kweh though.

I'm not in agreement with you regarding indies. I just think you can't trust players like Flower. They will turn the knife in a heartbeat, and cannot be reasoned with. You can't ask Flower to defend her position and engage logically, she will just OMGUS vote and make it impossible to discuss further. You can't have that because you need a line of communication with the indie to be able to establish trust.

As for it being too late, maybe. I want to ask that no one engage with any more wishes until we have it confirmed exactly what the costs are, exactly what Flower's win con really is, and the exact limits. Whether we can do that in practice I don't know. Then, if we can get a couple more good lynches going we can look at maybe removing Flower if she hasn't proven herself to be beneficial to keep around by then.

From what i understood Jan didn't get it for some reason or didn't get it right away? Thought if it's fake and they're mates, why would he get fake flavour. But i guess if they were mates, he's going to read his mates role

 

[Ratchet]

From what i understood Jan didn't get it for some reason or didn't get it right away? Thought if it's fake and they're mates, why would he get fake flavour. But i guess if they were mates, he's going to read his mates role

He did say he had received it though. I can't really read into timings much.

 

[Charlie]

Zemmi's reads btw. Had Melkor as town, Ekko as scum

Tried to compare this with Melkor's but there's none basically

 

[Reborn]

Zemmi and jinri had 2 votes for couple hours. Looked as if mafia didn't give a shet. That's why. Desperate attempted, more than anything else.

If refill was yours i have no idea what kind of positive action Jan could have btw. I also have protection from redirection/bus drive, do it's not that

But why you picked jan? Why not any other player?

The timing feels so off, charlie.

You wanted to sheep ratchet and ratchet and your vote was on zem.

i'll be just sheeping Ratchet i think

tag me if i need to change

Vote Lynch Zemmi

Then just 3 mins before EOD you switched to Jan. 3 mins is really odd.

It's tie between 2 people and noone gives a shet

Vote Lynch Jan

Anyway, did anyone claim census of this game?

 

[Reborn]

I don't, I claimed that start of night. Nothing in my role gives me extra vote power

Then either it's votes stealing or lynch deflection

 

[Reborn]

The only possibility that comes to mind is some kind of vote theif or drain that ended up hitting you and one of jinri's voters. Could also be a complete botch from scum at the end of the day and they messed up their targeted, which suggests a fairly undisciplined team anyway. Might be some townie claims it too. I don't think we can solve that aspect tonight.

Main takeaway is scum didn't manage to save Zemmi over Jinri. Which could mean Jinri is scum. She posted like she was outed. But you have to be careful with making those assumptions. I'm hoping that the vig deals with her so we have a flip. If they vig doesn't shoot I will treat any future killing role claim as a scum claim because it's essential.

If jinri isn't dead we may have to just lynch her tomorrow. I also think Reloaded has to be looked at by now because there just isn't enough to clear. It's the last 1-2 that concerns me the most.

How scums not being able to save zem over jinri makes jinri scum? And, I think this scenario of yours is based on the assumption that charlie is town.

 

[Charlie]

But why you picked jan? Why not any other player?

The timing feels so off, charlie.

You wanted to sheep ratchet and ratchet and your vote was on zem.

Then just 3 mins before EOD you switched to Jan. 3 mins is really odd.

Mostly random person from poe. I mean i'm aware IT looks terrible. I'm not going to act like it was 3d chess move. It's been minutes to eod, looked like Ratchet isn't there. Multiple people were in thread but none od them moved when votes were tied. Did it not look weird to you at all?

Anyway, did anyone claim census of this game?

Michelle claimed one but it's result of flower wish.

12-5-1

so we're at 10-4-1 now

ace is imo town no matter what i guess, why would mafia need 2 protective roles

That was at night prior to Ekko's death. So we would be at 9-3-1

 

[Charlie]

I townread this post initially and I still think it's town shaped for brad specifically

Brad is a GTH Town for weak reasons.

I think Brad cares very much about his team mates as scum and would try harder to leave a good impression.

Found these btw. Kinda random picks for town reading brad (zemmi). I can get reasoning behind zemmi though.

Idk how likely it's that Alyssa would bus teammate when she dueled melkor though. Like, what for. And flower claims indie