Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1196 Spoilers Discussion

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

You realize this is every character in a life or death situation/battle ever?
It's not like Luffy knows he will win for sure. He said he is okay with dying trying to become the king of the pirates back in loguetown.
Luffy not a true conqueror?
Sanji FC cope is crazy, they got an ass conclusion after 2 backstories and 3 character arcs

But Luffy still tries his hardest to win fights. Sanji doesn't. That's the difference
Sanji takes unnecessary damage, Luffy doesn't

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Do you know what a hypocrite is

Damn so sanji is suicidal, a hypocrite, damsel in distress, a dumb as and traumatized all in one?

Sigh. Damn oda why did you do this to his character

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Damn so sanji is suicidal, a hypocrite, damsel in distress, a dumb assumption and traumatized all in one?

Sigh damn oda why

@Sir Yasheen

 

[Signman77]

But Luffy still tries his hardest to win fights. Sanji doesn't. That's the difference
Sanji takes unnecessary damage, Luffy doesn't

That's a different reading than the self worth thing. This is the "sanji is nerfed" reading.
Which makes no sense, because why would low self worth prevent sanji from trying to win battles that 99/100 he is fighting for his friends he is apparently ready to die for?
Are you starting to understand the garbage conclusion this guy got?

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

But Luffy still tries his hardest to win fights. Sanji doesn't. That's the difference
Sanji takes unnecessary damage, Luffy doesn't

This has literally only happened when he fights women. No other times does he deliberately take damage

 

[Raiden7]

@Sir Yasheen @soheilhazrat @SDfear @Jackteo @Raiden7 @Dark Knight Sanji @Etemenanki @Yo Tan Wa i guess Zoro fandom is in a really trouble right now, and i'm worried about them. Let's see it in the paper...

Sanji was deliberately holding his own during Yonkou Saga.

Sanji came in Timeskip with far better speed than Zoro

Sanji legit has far better durability with his Exo than Zoro and legit eat a Seraphim punch in the face like it was mosquito.

Sanji deflected a Kizaru laser bean, which even Zoro admited he couldn't do it

Sanji got a direct ACoC kick from Imu while Zoro got rumbled by Imu's tail

Now Sanji is conciously developing CoC and doesn't need a magical weapon to trigger his Haoshoku.

Sanji not only has overrall better speed, better durability than Zoro, but now he's having equal AdvCoC to Zoro.

Sanji>Zoro might be on the table in battledome, and i can't wait for this to happen

I would not say Sanji is stronger than Zoro but lately things really have been great for Sanji.

 

[John Akainu]

Cute. Still don't have an argument to combat the point. Sanji character cannot change because as a conqueror he will still put others above him at times etc

I will not engage serious in this topic with you because i'm tired of Zoro fans changing the concept of being a conqueror everytime just for take Sanji out of the equation.

Jesus, we discuss this since the Baratie panel, lol

 

[SakazOuki]

Strenght wise you know zoro gonna get the better feats anyway so why are you even entrataining it?
Sanji scaling has been leeching off zoro since that robin wing statement (which doesn't necessarily translate to raw strenght in combat) and that non canon snippet about equal abilities, because his biggest W is against a YC2 that got stalled by chopper.
We are talking just how shit this gimmick is, "low self worth" and "self harm" are out of the blue things with no buildup, only to give him a reason why he doesn't behave like a conqueror, which will not change his character anyway as he will continue sacrificing himself etc...

Nice try


Werent yall bragging about Zoro not getting hit by Sommers while Sanji is heavily injured just this past week 😂
Now you gonna see how much this makes a difference

 

[Sir Yasheen]

@Sir Yasheen

At this point he’s purposefully misinterpreting

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

You know hes trolling you right.

Yes. Lol

But I miss the days when trolls actually made points that aren’t debunked by a fucking chapter title lmfao.

Nowadays the fandom exists in a state where people think that making themselves look retarded is somehow a W for their agenda. Lol

 

[Sir Yasheen]

@PuckTheGreat you ready to revisit our chat on Killingham vs Queen

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

I will not engage serious in this topic with you because i'm tired of Zoro fans changing the concept of being a conqueror everytime just for take Sanji out of the equation.

Jesus, we discuss this since the Baratie panel, lol

Bullshit.

There is no changing of what makes a conqueror. Examples of every conqueror etc shows it.

Oda had mihawk state that being a coc user is understanding and being oneself.

Sanji not being a coc user prior to this means he was never himself. Which makes sense.

 

[Raiden7]

I will not engage serious in this topic with you because i'm tired of Zoro fans changing the concept of being a conqueror everytime just for take Sanji out of the equation.

Jesus, we discuss this since the Baratie panel, lol

Years of propaganda, decades of propaganda. All of that to reach this conclusion. Being delusional for all this time, it could be traumatizing. Everything you stood for is being shattered peace by peace. It's not even funny, it's just sad. Sad because they never tried to understand.

 

[John Akainu]

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE SANJI BEING A CONQUEROR, BECAUSE HE DOESN'T APLY TO MY CONQUEROR'S CRITERIA....

 

[rohithkun]

And this is the dumb ass right here. No one is complaining about him getting coc or advanced coc. He literally needs it to even fight them. So it makes sense.

What does not make sense is stating that sanji didn't have coc because he was always sacrificial when every single damn conqueror user is for their dream and to protect others.

Zoro: what good is ambition if I can't even save my captain.
Sanji: i always wanted to die protecting my friends. Give me glorious death right here and now.

You: THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME!!!

 

[soheilhazrat]

@PuckTheGreat you ready to revisit our chat on Killingham vs Queen

Doesnt puck have kham over queen? He is right

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

That's a different reading than the self worth thing. This is the "sanji is nerfed" reading.
Which makes no sense, because why would low self worth prevent sanji from trying to win battles that 99/100 he is fighting for his friends he is apparently ready to die for?
Are you starting to understand the garbage conclusion this guy got?

Nobody's saying he isn't trying to win the battles. But he isn't trying as hard as he could be.
The point that Oda is making is that Sanji got by with not bringing out his full potential for a long time, and that was all fine and dandy back then, but now he's at the point where he can't afford to keep treating himself like shit. He has to learn to love himself and he has to realize that if he's going to make it in this world, he'll have to fight with all his might. He can't afford to just let himself get hit constantly when he knows he can dodge and/or block these hits.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Doesnt puck have kham over queen? He is right

He does because he was able to hit Sanji, but Sanji was way more locked in there cause he was fighting with love

 

[phatltse62882]

Looks like in this earliest spoiler

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2110354838118924352

, Sanji would not just only speak that thing to Killingham but also Zorotards, from this now on, they cannot hit Sanji anymore :D CoC, out speed, strength, what else Zoro can compare to :( just curious

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Being indebted to the person whom raised you is having a lack of love for oneself apparently

Willing to sacrifice your life for your comrades because you want to protect them (which luffy and zoro does) is apparently also a lack of love.

Verge fighting you will your body was already damaged by nami and you came in to save tashigi is a lack of love for yourself.

You saving and encouraging pudding when her own mother said she was ugly etc is a lack of love you have for self apparently.

You asking robin to save you /help you is apparently a lack of love you have for yourself

You running away from okama (male perverts) for 2 years us apparently a lack of love you have for yourself.

You putting on a raid suit to increase your own stats and durability just to save momo from being executed is a lack of love you have for yourself