Chapter Discussion One Piece chapter 1196: The Love of those who seek death is worthless

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Fn Lucci

Fn Lucci

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#461
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K!NG HARA$H!MA said:
It's also depends on how good the "cause" is


Zoro for example, will sacrifice himself for WSS title.


For average person, that's an silly abstract thing. In this framing, you can can say Zoro lack self worth to sacrifice himself to such a thing.


In fact, This is what Sanji initially thinks about Zoro's ambition in Baratie. He thought Zoro was stupid to sacrifice himself in a doomed fight against Mihawk for his ambition. So this is a rational in-verse view.




Even most Zoro fans will agree that Zoro's life is way more important than WSS title, despite Zoro himself don't think so.
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...His life IS the title. He doesn't live in a world where the title is not his. He in fact tells Luffy that if he is made to lose his dream, then Luffy must commit suicide.

Which you can take as a joke or to be something that he can now see beyond, but the point is that Luffy must have the same faith in Zoro's dream as he has in his own dream, and vice versa.
 
Senfret

Senfret

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#465
#465
Joyboy did everything in his hand to make sure he could take his revenge on IMU apart from giving his Haki to Emeth and other stuff it could be revealed in the future, Noland, Banchina, Ussop and those girls that followed Franky, and maybe even Foxy and Sogeking were also part of the long nose tribe the same way the Davys continued to exist since the void century until the present days, it's very possible that with Toki's fruit they had glimpses of the future, Lily with the help of the Kouzukis got the poneglhyps done, the legendary previous user of Ragnir froze the Galley-la giants to build something in the future, Luffy was prophetically destroying FMI and the noah was the vessel to carry the fishman to the surface
 
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Sparda

Sparda

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#469
#469
The fuck?
Sanji was never reckless or mindless when fighting, what the fuck Oda?

His Observation Haki are among the strongest of the 3, he efforlessly dodged Katakuri's attack, he goes undetected multitple times to close the gates of justice in enies lobby, he pose as Crocodile to get intel, he temporarily disables enel's ark maxim, he is a calculative and among the smartest of the crew, what is this retcon bullshit painting him as a mindless brawler like Luffy and Zoro?
 
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Afroking

Afroking

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#472
#472
I hope Oda draws the CoC kicks better because the Ifrit jambe kicks this chapter were trash. There was no heaviness or impact behind those kicks.

The RS kick on P1 and the base Kick on that yakuza mob are still the two best Kicks of Sanji in the last 3 post ts arcs.
 
GANGSTA

GANGSTA

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#476
#476
Raiden7 said:
I feel that a lot of people are like Sanji, me included. I really am like him. Never believing in yourself, being treated like trash, like a failure. It's something that destroys you from inside, it's like being inside an indestructible cage and you can't go out. I still hasn't figured out like Sanji is doing, but the feeling of being able to rise your head must be incredibly satisfying. :stealthblack:
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K!NG HARA$H!MA

K!NG HARA$H!MA

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#479
#479
Fn Lucci said:
...His life IS the title. He doesn't live in a world where the title is not his. He in fact tells Luffy that if he is made to lose his dream, then Luffy must commit suicide.

Which you can take as a joke or to be something that he can now see beyond, but the point is that Luffy must have the same faith in Zoro's dream as he has in his own dream, and vice versa.
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Titles are not worth lives btw
 
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