Future Events Can Luffy become pirate king without being Top 1 in the verse?

[M944]

Hes the only one in 800 years because he got lucky wb crashed on wano and met oden.

I guess He's also Lucky WB was born.

Or else hed have achieved nothing.

Is the only one in 800years who understand something was beyond Lodestar. The only one who have enough will to find Laugh Tale and so on.

Its not irrelevant

How beat marine will help you to find the OP ?

Roger was at a dead end pre his final voyage and was dying

And after he did it in 3years. Which is amazing considering he need to understand how to find Laugh tale and others stuffs.

Do you think before you write, or you just s**tpost ?

 

[HA001]

I guess He's also Lucky WB was born.



Is the only one in 800years who understand something was beyond Lodestar. The only one who have enough will to find Laugh Tale and so on.

How beat marine will help you to find the OP ?




And after he did it in 3years. Which is amazing considering he need to understand how to find Laugh tale and others stuffs.

Do you think before you write, or you just s**tpost ?

Thats the point. You dont have to beat anyone to be pk.
Anyone can be pk with enough luck.
Roger could have solod the whole world by himself. If wb never crashed on wano hed never be pirate king.

 

[M944]

Thats the point. You dont have to beat anyone to be pk.
Anyone can be pk with enough luck.
Roger could have solod the whole world by himself. If wb never crashed on wano hed never be pirate king.

WB could have crash on Wa No if Roger wasn't strong enough to withstand toe to toe with WB and be equal with him, Oden will never have followed him.

 

[HA001]

WB could have crash on Wa No if Roger wasn't strong enough to withstand toe to toe with WB and be equal with him, Oden will never have followed him.

English please ?
Wb crashing on wano has nothing to do with rogers strength.

 

[Garps tekkai]

This is literally not true.
Roger stole a copy from meme begged his rival for his crew member and everything else fell in his lap beating no one on the way
He didnt beat meme
He didnt beat wb
He didnt beat shikki
He didnt beat garp
He didnt beat sengoku

He got the pk title just because he went to raftel.

Dudeeee...you can't just stand there and talk as if you know all that for a fact, which such limited amount of information we have. And at that, the info we have, even happens to paint a completely different picture.
We know for a fact that he fought against Garp multiple times, that he had his thing with Shiki and Whitebeard. Shiki even said that Roger was too powerful for getting captured by the marines, dude was totally in disbelief about that. Should be worth some.
And going by Roger's FB dialogue, he also knew Sengoku pretty well, they probably duked it out aswell.
And it was also pointed out by Buggy that Primebeard, the man who went on to become the WSM, was the only one, who could pull out a draw against Roger.
You'd have to assume that all those times, he either got beaten (which is complete non sense) or got away through lucky circumstances. But why would you do that?- Again a limited amount of information =/= confirmation. He probably won some/most of those fights and that's how his journey could continue in the first place.
Additionally going by those feats he just showed during the FB, it's obvious that that man was ridiculously powerful, IF somehow portrayal would not be enough.
How do you think he otherwise became THIS strong? You most likely can't get island shaking CoA solely with sheer luck and by doing nothing, wouldn't you agree?

And for that Big Mom thing. how is that even relevant?
Just because he potentially can beat her in an 1on1, it doesn't mean that he's able AND WILLING to invade Tottoland (her home turf) within a war like situation. Sneaking in is and was probably the smartest decision.
Why does it automatically mean he just did that in order to dodge BM herself or something along the lines? If he is willing to face Primebeard while he's sick, why would you assume that he stole it based on a powerlvl based- reason? It just doesn't make sense.

No front, but it looks like you have some hidden agenda (saw your other posts aswell). So spare us some time and tell me what's your problem with Roger's character..?

 

[sanjikun]

Can Luffy become pirate king without being Top 1 in the verse?

Yes, Pirate King means strongest Pirate, not strongest living being. Shut down the thread.

 

[HA001]

Dudeeee...you can't just stand there and talk as if you know all that for a fact, which such limited amount of information we have. And at that, the info we have, even happens to paint a completely different picture.
We know for a fact that he fought against Garp multiple times, that he had his thing with Shiki and Whitebeard. Shiki even said that Roger was too powerful for getting captured by the marines, dude was totally in disbelief about that. Should be worth some.
And going by Roger's FB dialogue, he also knew Sengoku pretty well, they probably duked it out aswell.
And it was also pointed out by Buggy that Primebeard, the man who went on to become the WSM, was the only one, who could pull out a draw against Roger.
You'd have to assume that all those times, he either got beaten (which is complete non sense) or got away through lucky circumstances. But why would you do that?- Again a limited amount of information =/= confirmation. He probably won some/most of those fights and that's how his journey could continue in the first place.
Additionally going by those feats he just showed during the FB, it's obvious that that man was ridiculously powerful, IF somehow portrayal would not be enough.
How do you think he otherwise became THIS strong? You most likely can't get island shaking CoA solely with sheer luck and by doing nothing, wouldn't you agree?

And for that Big Mom thing. how is that even relevant?
Just because he potentially can beat her in an 1on1, it doesn't mean that he's able AND WILLING to invade Tottoland (her home turf) within a war like situation. Sneaking in is and was probably the smartest decision.
Why does it automatically mean he just did that in order to dodge BM herself or something along the lines? If he is willing to face Primebeard while he's sick, why would you assume that he stole it based on a powerlvl based- reason? It just doesn't make sense.

No front, but it looks like you have some hidden agenda (saw your other posts aswell). So spare us some time and tell me what's your problem with Roger's character..?

I do know for a fact


Roger became pk because he begged his rival for his crew mate stole a copy from meme and had every thing else fall into his lap beating no one on the way. That isnt a level. The panels below show very clearly there was no strength involved in becoming pirate king. Its just a journey anyone with enough luck can do it.

Spoiler

Roger himself is on shaky ground being primebeards equal at all considering wbs haki matches rogers and wb didnt use the gura with roger appearing not to have a fruit, added to the fact that what buggy saw to make them equals was nothing more than a friendly clash.

Its all in the manga.

 

[M944]

English please ?

You have No more arguments so you criticize my english.
I hope you can speak more than 2 languages cause I can speak 5 languages very well.

Wb crashing on wano has nothing to do with rogers strength

WB followed Roger because Roger have as much strenght as WB and more Charisma.
You understand ?
Or it's too hard for you ?

Yes, Pirate King means strongest Pirate, not strongest living being. Shut down the thread.

We are in a manga of Pirates, the ultimate goal is Pirate Treasure, most of MC's opponents are Pirate, Strongests characters appeared at this day are Pirates and so on but somehow Someone will be stronger than all pirates.
Doesn't sound logical.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

WB followed Roger

Where are you getting this?

Post automatically merged: Oct 7, 2020

Yes, Pirate King means strongest Pirate

@sanjikun

You have a manga source?

 

[sanjikun]

We are in a manga of Pirates, the ultimate goal is Pirate Treasure, most of MC's opponents are Pirate, Strongests characters appeared at this day are Pirates and so on but somehow Someone will be stronger than all pirates.
Doesn't sound logical.

Last time I checked Imu and the World Government are not Pirates. Oda outlined this when he said "the story of finding One Piece will be over, but not the manga".

 

[M944]

Where are you getting this?

My mistake it's Oden. It's not to hard to understand but I guess some people need help.

Last time I checked Imu and the World Government are not Pirates. Oda outlined this when he said "the story of finding One Piece will be over, but not the manga".

Why do you think they will 1vs1 Luffy they are 6 ?
Why do you think they are stronger than WB or Roger ?
Do you think if Roger made the war against them after he find the OP he will have loose ?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

My mistake it's Oden. It's not to hard to understand but I guess some people need help.

Well no, I'm pretty sure Roger was proven to be the exact same strength as Whitebeard

I mean they fought for three days. Nothing on panel or even via suggestion shows the Roger was stringer than Whitebeard.

Oden followed Roger because Roger had greater ambitions than Whitebeard. Plain and simple. That entire scene was Roger talking about hidden islands and the poneglyph language only the kozuki knew and Oden got spellbound by Toger's spirit of adventure.

Read that scene again and try to understand it better.

 

[M944]

Well no, I'm pretty sure Roger was proven to be the exact same strength as Whitebeard

I mean they fought for three days. Nothing on panel or even via suggestion shows the Roger was stringer than Whitebeard.

Oden followed Roger because Roger had greater ambitions than Whitebeard. Plain and simple. That entire scene was Roger talking about hidden islands and the poneglyph language only the kozuki knew and Oden got spellbound by Toger's spirit of adventure.

Read that scene again and try to understand it better.

Oden followed Roger because Roger have as much strenght as WB and more Charisma.

I think you just didn't understand what I wrote.
Where did I say Roger is stronger ?

 

[HA001]

My mistake it's Oden. It's not to hard to understand but I guess some people need help.

Why do you think they will 1vs1 Luffy they are 6 ?
Why do you think they are stronger than WB or Roger ?
Do you think if Roger made the war against them after he find the OP he will have loose ?

Roger would have died if he fought the wg after finding the op.

 

[M944]

Roger would have died if he fought the wg after finding the op.

Non-sick roger ?

 

[HA001]

Non-sick roger ?

Non sick roger and his crew die to the wg

 

[Redx]

Doesn't matter. Thats what he's aiming for. It's going to happen regardless of whether or not the fans think it has to.

 

[HA001]

Doesn't matter. Thats what he's aiming for. It's going to happen regardless of whether or not the fans think it has to.

Except its not. Oda already spelled out hes gonna be king before the final war.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I think you just didn't understand what I wrote.
Where did I say Roger is stronger ?

Still when did strength come in? Roger's spirit of adventure is what caught oden in the end

 

[stealthblack]

yes, because he has so much luck the real top 1 will want to join him as nakama.