Future Events Should Luffy solo Kaido?

luffy vs kaido?


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#1
Whether or not you think hes strong enough yet do you think at this point he should?
  1. Were already near endgame and their likely isnt much left after wano
  2. We have way bigger fish to fry them kaido like prime teach and imu
  3. Luffy should be able to beat at least 1 admiral/yonko before he faces teach and if not kaido who
Its not like luffy hasn't been stomped by an opponent in the past just to beat them later.
The biggest examples in the series being crocodile and lucci

He even got defeated for both the same reasons
1. Not being able to physically hurt them yet (crocodile)
2. Not being in the right mental head space (lucci)
And now he already has both under control

And even if he does receive help it could honestly be minimal while luffy does 90% of the work


All that being said captain trio vs kaido >>>>>

:finally:
 
#4
Definitely not. Kaido and Big Mom are the current power ceilings for Emperors. Meaning theyโ€™re at least as strong as Shanks. For him to 1 v 1 either of these means heโ€™s already strong enough to 1 v 1 shanks which really doesnโ€™t agree with normal shonen progression.

Luffy will beat them both with help then when he fights shanks heโ€™ll 1 v 1 him then heโ€™ll get stronger to take down Blackbeard.
 
#5
I'm not sure about this. Maybe Luffy should have help when fighting Kaido to show that it's a Yonko they're dealing with. And Blackbeard being the first Yonko Luffy defeats 1v1.
Maybe its pretty heavily believed that teach will grow stronger to the point he reaches pirate king level. Likely through a 3rd devil fruit likely zoan

If thats the case he isn't your average yonko. So luffy going from gang banging kaido to soloing teach would be weird if that were the actual case obviously
 

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#6
Definitely not. Kaido and Big Mom are the current power ceilings for Emperors. Meaning theyโ€™re at least as strong as Shanks. For him to 1 v 1 either of these means heโ€™s already strong enough to 1 v 1 shanks which really doesnโ€™t agree with normal shonen progression.

Luffy will beat them both with help then when he fights shanks heโ€™ll 1 v 1 him then heโ€™ll get stronger to take down Blackbeard.
Shanks' crippeled so them being his equal is a point against them being the "power ceilings" of Emperors
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#10
Whether or not you think hes strong enough yet do you think at this point he should?
  1. Were already near endgame and their likely isnt much left after wano
  2. We have way bigger fish to fry them kaido like prime teach and imu
  3. Luffy should be able to beat at least 1 admiral/yonko before he faces teach and if not kaido who
Its not like luffy hasn't been stomped by an opponent in the past just to beat them later.
The biggest examples in the series being crocodile and lucci

He even got defeated for both the same reasons
1. Not being able to physically hurt them yet (crocodile)
2. Not being in the right mental head space (lucci)
And now he already has both under control

And even if he does receive help it could honestly be minimal while luffy does 90% of the work


All that being said captain trio vs kaido >>>>>

:finally:
I will stick to my guns and say what I said in my thread about this subject.

I'm pretty sure that there will be people (mainly Kidd and Law) that will interapt the fight between Luffy and Kaido and I also believe that Luffy will be defeated by Kaido once again (even though not as easily as the last time), but at the end of the arc we will have a moment when only Kaido and his crew will be standing vs Luffy and his crew. I believe at the end everyone will be defeat except Kaido and his crew and Luffy and his crew, both Luffy and Kaido will be heavily damaged at that time (in order to make the fight as short as possible) Luffy will go gear 5th and we will have a short 1v1 between Luffy and Kaido.

All my threads about this topic:

1. Strowhats vs Beast pirates
If you look at Kaido's crew it's not just the sheer numbers that match strowhat numbers but also the way the crew is structured. For example, Kaido has two females in his crew just like Luffy, Kaido has swordsmen right hand man "king" just Like Luffy "Zoro", Kaido has technology using left hand man"Queen" just like Luffy "Sanji", Kaido has a Fishman as his third commander "Jack" just like Luffy "Jinbe", Kaido has Who's Who, who is the second strongest after commanders and also uses sword just like Luffy has Franky, as second strongest after his commanders and also uses sword in general Franky form, Kaido has Sasaki as his third strongest after commander who is also a sword user just Like Luffy has Brook, Kaido has X Drake who isn't that much interested in fighting for Kaido just Like Luffy has Ussop who isn't interested in fighting for his own reasons, Kaido has a young crew member "Page One" just like Luffy "Choper".

There is no doubt in my mind that all the strowhats (including Luffy) will have their 1v1 fights in this arc. I've said it multiple times and I'm saying it again "there's going to be a moment in Wano arc where everyone are defeated and the only one who will be stending will be Kaido with his crew and Luffy with his crew" and that will be the final round of this war.




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2. Gear 5th
Hey everybody, I haven't made a thread here for quite some time (I guess it's coz I couldn't enjoy the writing in Wano lately) but the lost chapter sparked a little hope, a very fragile hope in my heart that Oda might've woke up and realized that he should change things and the recent change of editor is a good sign, a very good sign. So, now I wanna share my thoughts about gear 5th and gear 4th that occured in my head after reading the latest chapter so, let's get into it.

Did Luffy mastere gear 4th?
Previously gear 4th was the last reserve, samthing that Luffy would use only if he had no other choice but to use it, even against Big Mom and Kaido Luffy didn't use gear 4th at the beginning but only when he felt that there is no other option and the reason behind it, is because gear 4th has a massive drawback so, Luffy uses it when he has a chance to finish the fight quickly or if the aponnent is so strong that he has to, but, recently Luffy is using it irresponsibly, he's using it in cases when he shouldn't use it especially when he has to fight against Kaido like for example here

At first I made the mistake thinking that Oda fu'ked things up again, but with recent chapter I changed my mind. First, if we look at the panel we can see that Law is using regular room and Kid uses an unknown thecnique that I'm pretty sure isn't his strongest and even if it is I don't think it has a drawback unlike gear 4th. Gear 4th makes Luffy weak, it uses Luffy's stamina and this is why Luffy can't use it before the final fight but it was one example so I didn't pay too much attention to it.

But in fight against Ulti Luffy was ready to use it (ok, listen guys, this is not about Ulti or her power level so please don't tell me how strong she is) regardless how strong Ulti is Luffy could've easily finish her whiteout gear 4th, usually Luffy would take the damage in this scenario instead of using gear 4th since gear 4th would be more harmful for Luffy than a punch from someone weaker than Luffy, against whom he can use CoA in order to minimse the damage given by Ulti, but instead of that Luffy decides to use Gear 4th (as if it was gear 2th/3th) which makes me believe that Luffy might have mastered gear 4th since Luffy learned advanced CoA which should have impacted on Luffy's gear 4th

The core of gear 4th is haki and because of that people have been theorizing/speculating that if Luffy learns advanced CoA he would be able to use gear 4th whiteout time limit and as we can see Luffy is indeed using gear 4th more often after learning advanced CoA and as we know after mastering the previous gear Oda introduces the new one.

Gear 5th is in our doorstep.
If Luffy mastered gear 4th (and it's seems he has) then, that would mean that gear 5th is coming and Wano is the best arc to introduce it since Luffy is going against Yonko and Luffy needs new gear since gear 4th is Fodder level compared to Yonko. The gap between Luffy's gears is Big for example, compere gear 2th to 3th or gear 3th to gear 4th with every gear Luffy jumps into a new tier, with gear 5th Luffy will jump into a fully top tier and will become Yonko level but that power will come with heavy price since Luffy's gears always have a drawback and after Wano Luffy will try to master his new gear. It has been speculated that samthing big should happen in chapter 1000th, since there's no way that Kaido is getting defeated in chapter 1000th then I'd say that Oda will introduce gear 5th in chapter 1000th, I can already see how in the last page of chapter 1000th Luffy says "gear 5th" and break next week. ๐Ÿ˜‚

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3. 1v1
Hi, ๐Ÿ– today I've got a little bit of free time so Idecided to use that and finally address my views on Luffy vs Kaido, If you've been paying attention to my comments you probably know that I'm not a big fan of team fights and it's not a "Luffy vs Kaido" issue, it's just that I don't like team fights in general but before we start I wanna warn you that you should read this till the end, if you haven't read this till the end then please don't write any comments and don't say anything.

My issues with team fights
this part is just my views on team fights it has nathing to do with one piece, at least for now.

I have a mortal arts background and even though I have never been in any major competition in that area I still got my black belts. In whole my life because of my environment that I grew up, because of people that I know and respect (such as my coach), because of my personality and life experience "I considered and still considere" team fight as THE MOST UNMANLY THING that man can do. For me, when someone needs the help of his frends to fight and stand up for himself he's a caword, a man should stand up for himself by himself and it's not about victory but whether you have what it takes to be a man. You're not a man just because you have a d:ck and balls, a man is samthing that you deserve to be called if you behave like a MAN, I feel like that ward "man" last its meaning and weight in nowadays. There has been moments in my life when I had a dispute with someone who was older, bigger and stronger than I was, but still, I fought by myself and got my ass kicked off ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚, but I traind, became stronger and than I kicked his ass off in return ๐Ÿ˜‰, Luffy, and one piece in general have the same philosophy.

Philosophy of dreams and what it takes to be a man
Form early on Luffy had a strong sense of honor and manhood, although he didn't know when those qualities should be shown and used, he still got them for example

Like I said Luffy doesn't know when a man should stand up for himself and for his frends but he knows that a man should do that to be a man nonetheless, Shanks as someone older and wiser than Luffy has some explaining to do, bu that's not the point, the point is that Luffy has that strong sense of manliness and what it takes to be a man since he was a Kid and that strong sense of manliness has been present throughout the one piece. Ussop has the same ideology as Luffy and that's intentional since unlike Luffy Ussop is known as caword but what Oda is trying to tell us is that being afraid doesn't mean you're a caword, you're a caword if you fight unfair, you're a caword when you need your frends to be brave. Ussop explains that to Nami in Little Garden (it's not the best explanation but it's better than headcanon) Ussop says this

Dorry and Brogy could have used poison or help of their frends to defeat each other but then they would be cawords, they are fighting to prove themselves that they have what it takes to be a man, that they have what it takes to be a warrior, let's see what Luffy says about it

Well, that's as straight as it gets. Luffy literally confirms what I've been talking about, Dorry also explains his decision to Luffy and Vivi, the reason why he decided to fight against Brogy dispite being wounded, dispite having almost 0 chances to Win.

What Dorry is saying is that it doesn't matter whether you're ready or not, it doesn't matter whether you're opponent fights unfair or not but what truly matters, is if you have what it takes to be a man, to stick to your guns and fight against all odds, to prove yourself that you're a man, you are a warrior and as Dorry said "to lose my good name would be to lose my very self" and Luffy sticks with the same ideology as we saw in fight against Katakuri

Luffy doesn't expect his opponents to fight fair they are pairets after all, but he himself has a standards of manliness that he can't betray, he can't team up with someone else to defeat his opponents, defeating your opponents for Luffy is a test of manliness, it doesn't matter if you get defeated, you always can train and come back and if you were unlucky enough to be killed in a fight, then except it as true a man. Yes, there are moments when Luffy can get help from outside sources but not in fighting, Luffy can be saved by someone else from dying, or Luffy can get advices from someone during the fighting but Luffy will not except a team fight. Sometimes, Luffy has no interest in the fight itself since the opponent isn't strong enough to be a challenge but strong enough to hold Luffy for hours, in that case Luffy will except a help in order to get rid off certain characters for example Luffy, Sanji, Ussop vs Satori

Again the opponent is not strong enough to be a challenge for Luffy but he's strong enough to push Luffy mid/ high diff and hald him for hours in this case Luffy doesn't care how, but he needs to get red off him as efficiently as possible because he can't stuck there, or another example Luffy and Nami vs Cracker

Similar case, the oponnent is not strong enough to push Luffy extrem Diff and Luffy needs to get rid off him as fast as possible, but when he's serious and the fight itself is a challenge for Luffy then he will fight by himself, he will not except team fight, Luffy needs to know whether he has what it takes to be a man, like in fight against Katakuri

Katakuri is a challenge for Luffy and Luffy wants to surpass him, do you think Luffy would except a help in fight against Katakuri? Hell no, it would go against Luffy's ideology, it would mean that Luffy is a caword, that he isn't a man

Again, Ussop described it in Little Garden, it's not about victory but whether you worthy or not, it's about live in way that will not regret

Ace had same ideology, he lived in way that he would not regret, he could have escaped allowing Akainu to say whatever he wanted to say about Whitbeard, but would he be a man after that? Here what he said to Blackbeard about living his life with no regret

Blackbeard doesn't understand that, for him victory no matter the cost is the way of his life and that's the deference between Luffy and Blackbeard

Luffy and Blackbeard are very similar with one and only deference that Luffy wants to achieve his dream in right way, he wants to find out whether he has what it to be a Pairet king while Blackbeard wants victory no matter the cost, Luffy and Blackbeard like things that the other dosen't like and vice versa.

Blackbeard killed Whitbeard using Marians, Shichibukai, his crew he chose the easy road, he wanted the victory while Luffy can't do that, Luffy is the opposite of BB just Like Ace is the opposite of Akainu

Ace died for what he stood for and that is a honorable and manly death and some of WG fans aren't man enough to except that. Akainu is deferent he doesn't care about words, he doesn't care whether the fight is fair or not he let other Marians to help him just like Blackbeard did with his crew

Honor and manliness are two big themes that Oda will never betray (at least I hope so) and even as far as in WCI we had those themes around


Katakuri is falower of the same ideology that Luffy, Ace, Ussop, Kaido and many others are using to prove their worthiness

Katakuri doesn't want to win a fight in way that he can't prove himself as the winner.

Respect between the enemies
At the end of the day Luffy always got the respect of his enemies with exception of characters like Buggy. Katakuri started to respect Luffy when he proved himself worthy, when he proved himself a man

There's a pattern in those kind of things for example, the mane character is disrespected by the antagonist but down the line they are starting to respect the mane character for his will power, for what he stands for etc.


Kaido specifically tells to Oden that he respects him when at the beginning they had different relationships. Kaido also doesn't like unfair fights, he respects strength and wanna have a fair fight to find out who is the strongest just like Luffy

Look what Kaido thinks about Luffy, he thinks that Luffy is a brat that plays Pairet games, he also called him incredibly weak in the anime.

Do you think Kaido will respect Luffy after seeing that he teamed up with Kid, Law to defeat him? Hell no, he will disrespect Luffy even more like (I defeated you and the you brought your frends to help you? Fuck:ng caword) if you want a team fight you're basically want Luffy to be a caword. Team fight goes against everything Luffy stands for, it goes against one piece's philosophy and frankly spiking in team fight against Kaido I would cheer for Kaido. For me Luffy, Kid, Law vs Kaido would looks like samthing like this

While there will be people that will interrupt the fight between Luffy and Kaido which will make Luffy angry, it's fair to assume that the final fight is going to be 1v1.

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#12
Maybe its pretty heavily believed that teach will grow stronger to the point he reaches pirate king level. Likely through a 3rd devil fruit likely zoan

If thats the case he isn't your average yonko. So luffy going from gang banging kaido to soloing teach would be weird if that were the actual case obviously
Dude, there are people who don't even believe that the fight between Luffy and Blackbeard is 1v1.
I don't think that that argument works on people who think that one piece is all about "power of friendship" read the comments below the Twitt and you'll understand.
 
#13
Dude, there are people who don't even believe that the fight between Luffy and Blackbeard is 1v1.
I don't think that that argument works on people who think that one piece is all about "power of friendship" read the comments below the Twitt and you'll understand.
I guess but thats just some random guy on twiiter lol
Most people that agreed with him are likely his mutuals/friends and only 14 of them did even with all them tags lol
 
#19
I guess but thats just some random guy on twiiter lol
Most people that agreed with him are likely his mutuals/friends and only 14 of them did even with all them tags lol
I mean still... if Luffy can't defeat a Yonko by himself then him being able to defeat Blackbeard who will be at that time even stronger than Roger doesn't make sense. Blackbeard eating multiple DF should pay off, Blackbeard is going to be the strongest in history and for Luffy to be able defeat someone like him means that his power progression should be systematically. Luffy vs Blackbeard is going to be his thoughts fight, tougher than his fight against Kaido otherwise Kaido would have been the antagonist instead of Blackbeard. Blackbeard on top of his overpowered DFs can take away Luffy's DF abilities, the fact that Luffy has been straggling against YCs made people to believe that Luffy can't defeat Kaido, and thus he can't defeat Blackbeard too, and if Luffy will not be able to defeat a Yonko by himself before his fight against Kaido then even I don't see Luffy having 1v1 against Blackbeard. Some people even say it's going to be Luffy and Shanks vs Blackbeard.
 
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