Versus Battle [COMPETITION] Saruman v. Voldemort

Who Does Better?

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TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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This is not a straight up VS thread!

Saruman of Many Colors and the Dark Wizard Voldemort are swapped—each replaces the other in their respective Universe. The question here is Who does better in their new worlds.

Will the White Hand of Saruman break down the Wizarding world? Can Voldemort and his death eaters shatter the men of the west?

Scenario in details:

Saruman is dropped into England roughly during the Triwizarding Tournament. He has a rough understanding of the world, his staff and no support. Dumbledore knows of Saruman but not in greater detail.

Saruman needs to conquer Britain / defeat the boy who lived before he graduates Hogwarts.

Voldemort appears in Orthanc with his most loyal Deatheaters. He is in contact with Sauron thanks to the palantir and has as much support as Saruman did. His objective is to rule the world of man and find the One Ring before either Sauron or the fellowship receive/destroy it.

The White Council knows of Voldemort as a great sorcerer and Gandalf will not unleash his full power on him as per his own limitations.

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So, who manages to win in their new universe first? Do they both succeed? Both fail?

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#2
Honestly, this is very difficult. :catsweat:

But I think Sauron would break Voldemort far more easily with his weak mental state. And somehow wizards in LOTR seem more powerful than whatever the ones in HP could do. So I'd figure Saruman would have no difficulty in duels. But I'm not sure if he is as cunning as Voldy? We've already seen that he's great at pretending, but I don't know if that's enough.

So I think Saruman would succeed because he's less of a pushover than Voldy. Voldy would fail.
 

TheAncientCenturion

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#3
Honestly, this is very difficult. :catsweat:

But I think Sauron would break Voldemort far more easily with his weak mental state. And somehow wizards in LOTR seem more powerful than whatever the ones in HP could do. So I'd figure Saruman would have no difficulty in duels. But I'm not sure if he is as cunning as Voldy? We've already seen that he's great at pretending, but I don't know if that's enough.

So I think Saruman would succeed because he's less of a pushover than Voldy. Voldy would fail.
Let’s assume Sauron won’t mind break Voldemort for whatever reason—he’s merciful and doesn’t see Voldemort as a threat. So Voldemort is free to pursue his own selfish ambitions. Does that change anything?
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
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Does Saruman is allowed to go all out or not ?
Because in LOTR Saruman never really fought with his army, he is a general, he corrupts people etc. Saruman with his power can likely make a lot of wizards follow him and fight for him. If Saruman is not allowed to fight all out, it will be difficult for him but he can create an army of evil wizards and even Dumby with Elder wand will sweat to stall Saruman.

Voldemort wont win because even if he has the ring he wont destroy it and Sauron will live as long as his ring is safe. And Sauron managed to corrupt Saruman he can maybe do it with Voldy.

But Sauron side can maybe win the whole war with Voldemort because contrary to Saruman Voldy has no limitations. So Voldemort will lead himself his army in Gondor for exemple or Helm deep. And Voldy magic can cover wide area and is powerful. One big fiendfyre will already be a big big threat to the other side. Voldy can also fly by himself. Other powers like apparate, legilimency or avada kedavra. Even Imperium can do a lot.

Voldy only needs to apparate inside a castle create a fiendfyre and escape. But he can't overthrow Sauron. If he knows that gandalf is more powerful than himself he will avoid him like with Dumby.

So Voldy will be a great general for Sauron because he will be devastating and his magic can work really well in army battle like that.
 
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What are Saruman’s feats? They better be wild af if he’s somehow supposed to sneak into Hogwarts on his own with no support and kill Harry under Dumbledore’s nose, despite Dumbledore knowing of his existence beforehand.
 

TheAncientCenturion

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Does Saruman is allowed to go all out or not ?
Because in LOTR Saruman never really fought with his army, he is a general, he corrupts people etc. Saruman with his power can likely make a lot of wizards follow him and fight for him. If Saruman is not allowed to fight all out, it will be difficult for him but he can create an army of evil wizards and even Dumby with Elder wand will sweat to stall Saruman.

Voldemort wont win because even if he has the ring he wont destroy it and Sauron will live as long as his ring is safe. And Sauron managed to corrupt Saruman he can maybe do it with Voldy.

But Sauron side can maybe win the whole war with Voldemort because contrary to Saruman Voldy has no limitations. So Voldemort will lead himself his army in Gondor for exemple or Helm deep. And Voldy magic can cover wide area and is powerful. One big fiendfyre will already be a big big threat to the other side. Voldy can also fly by himself. Other powers like apparate, legilimency or avada kedavra. Even Imperium can do a lot.

Voldy only needs to apparate inside a castle create a fiendfyre and escape. But he can't overthrow Sauron. If he knows that gandalf is more powerful than himself he will avoid him like with Dumby.

So Voldy will be a great general for Sauron because he will be devastating and his magic can work really well in army battle like that.
Saruman is limited to what the Valar intended for him. So he can’t go god mode
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What are Saruman’s feats? They better be wild af if he’s somehow supposed to sneak into Hogwarts on his own with no support and kill Harry under Dumbledore’s nose, despite Dumbledore knowing of his existence beforehand.
I figured Saruman’s best tactics would be to ensnare people. It’s said his voice alone is able to seduce people to his side, instead of outright charging into Hogwarts. Though he’s a very capable wizard in his own right.
 
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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
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At first when I speedread the title I was like, “holy shit he actually put Sauron in the Harry Potter world, gg” but then I read the title correctly lol.

Aight then,

Saruman is dropped into England roughly during the Triwizarding Tournament. He has a rough understanding of the world, his staff and no support. Dumbledore knows of Saruman but not in greater detail.

Saruman needs to conquer Britain / defeat the boy who lived before he graduates Hogwarts.
First thing is first, are we just assuming Saruman would remain evil even without the influence of Sauron? Because he only ever turned evil because he realized the futility of opposing Sauron, not sure he’d remain that way without Sauron in the picture. But I’ll just assume he’s evil anyway lol.

The thing about the Harry Potter world is that the story is written so that the people who should be responsible for stopping someone like Saruman are painfully incompetent, and thus their chances at stopping him are pretty minuscule. Even if Dumbledore realizes the threat Saruman represents, best case scenario is that Dumbledore is trying to oppose Saruman by himself, worst case is that the Ministry might try to actively sabotage Dumbledore.

If we assume that both Dumbledore and Saruman are allowed to fight the intellectual battle for a year and then that battle culminates at the ministry like it did in OotP, then Saruman really should have the benefit of the doubt for being a literal demigod.

Hell, I don’t even think he’d necessarily need to gather Deatheaters or anything like that, he could probably just walk in to the Ministry and he like “this is mine now”, and what is anyone going to be able to do to stop them? Saruman is far more overwhelmingly powerful than anyone in Harry Potter and there’s no need for him to really act from the shadows like Voldemort did. If Dumbledore and Saruman ever tried to fight face to face, Saruman would crush him without mercy.

Saruman conquers the Wizarding World without too much trouble tbh.

Voldemort appears in Orthanc with his most loyal Deatheaters. He is in contact with Sauron thanks to the palantir and has as much support as Saruman did. His objective is to rule the world of man and find the One Ring before either Sauron or the fellowship receive/destroy it.

The White Council knows of Voldemort as a great sorcerer and Gandalf will not unleash his full power on him as per his own limitations.
He would make a great Ringwraith for Sauron. End comment.

Let’s assume Sauron won’t mind break Voldemort for whatever reason—he’s merciful and doesn’t see Voldemort as a threat. So Voldemort is free to pursue his own selfish ambitions. Does that change anything?
Oh.

Well in that case, no, Voldemort stands no chance at conquering Middle Earth. At least not through force. He and his Deatheaters would not have an answer to Gandalf and the Wizards, Elrond, Galadriel, etc...some of the more powerful LotR characters.

But what if Voldemort tried to conquer ME through sneakier means? Corruption and such?

In that case, I’d say also no as I don’t see him succeeding where Sauron initially failed. I don’t even know how he’d go about conquering everything through sneakier means lol.

So Voldy doesn’t clear.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
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Saruman is limited to what the Valar intended for him. So he can’t go god mode
Saruman greatest power is to corrupt and persuade others. When he speaks only the strongest mind can resist. So he will be able to corrupt a lot of wizards/witches to join him and obey him.

he can also launch fire balls, some telekinesis, locking spells, shields etc.

I think he will be a great threat for everyone in England.
 
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Let’s assume Sauron won’t mind break Voldemort for whatever reason—he’s merciful and doesn’t see Voldemort as a threat. So Voldemort is free to pursue his own selfish ambitions. Does that change anything?
Doesn't change anything. Imagine if Gandalf went after him, he'd stand no chance.

What are Saruman’s feats? They better be wild af if he’s somehow supposed to sneak into Hogwarts on his own with no support and kill Harry under Dumbledore’s nose, despite Dumbledore knowing of his existence beforehand.
:lawsigh: just watch LOTR already.
 

TheAncientCenturion

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First thing is first, are we just assuming Saruman would remain evil even without the influence of Sauron? Because he only ever turned evil because he realized the futility of opposing Sauron, not sure he’d remain that way without Sauron in the picture. But I’ll just assume he’s evil anyway lol.
To my understanding, Saruman was essentially going down a dark path the second be volunteered with the rest of the Istari to venture into Middle Earth. Upset and jealous at Gandalf being specifically requested to head the Istari (and rejecting said request) burned Saruman.

I think it’s no coincidence that Saruman and Sauron also served the same Vala and fell to darkness.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
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Imagine if Gandalf went after him, he'd stand no chance.
Voldy can teleport and fly he can run away anytime. Or he can go straight to Gondor or Helm deep in 10 seconds. Can use imperium on Denethor, can transform into an other person etc.

HP magic is far too versatile in LOTR world.
 
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Voldy can teleport and fly he can run away anytime. Or he can go straight to Gondor or Helm deep in 10 seconds. Can use imperium on Denethor, can transform into an other person etc.

HP magic is far too versatile in LOTR world.
But if he kept running away, I don't think he'd achieve any goal. I don't know.
 
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