Break Week The Marco Vs Big Mom Clash-Why Marco Was Winning
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The Pero and Kata situations are apples to oranges. BM got mad at Kata for interfering because he attacked Luffy before Luffy and BM had the chance to clash, which BM interpreted as Kata thinking that Luffy could have overpowered her, which she took offense to. In the Pero situation, BM had already immobilized Marco and was choking him, meaning that she had already asserted her dominance, when she asked Pero to finish him off. BM was just fine with Pero doing the dirty deed for her since she had already proven herself to Marco. Considering that she was casually holding Marco with just one hand, literally nothing was stopping her from using Napoleon with the other hand, as long as she desired to do so
Marco injuring Prometheus has nothing to do with powerscaling. It was because of his elemental advantage. Oda prioritizes elemental advantages over power levels. This is why Luffy could beat Enel, who was like 10 times stronger than him.
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Marco injuring Prometheus has nothing to do with powerscaling. It was because of his elemental advantage. Oda prioritizes elemental advantages over power levels. This is why Luffy could beat Enel, who was like 10 times stronger than him.
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1) Marco's portrayal has been brilliant of late and he's definitely giving himself a claim for being either the best of the rest or the weakest top tier.
2) Posthawk has well and truly died as an argument thanks to BM.
I still give the advantage to BM, though not a big one. My main takeaway
1- first clash, insane Marco hype. Clashes evenly at first then Marco overpowers Prometheus (but not Big Mom). This is where I why she's shocked, because as we've seen her Homies are mostly invincible and she wouldn't really have any reason to think Marco could have injured him like he did.
2- I think BM won the clash when she had him by the throat. Not a hugely decisive victory, but in terms of this particular clash it's where she comes out on top as she did have Marco at her mercy. Sure, Marco got out somehow, but you have to focus on what Oda chose to draw, not what happened off panel.
I think the souls comment is about her main three homies being either weakened- we see Zeus and Prometheus looking woozy- or missing- where the hell is Napoleon?
The fact that BM says that Perospero can kill Marco easier than she can is a bit bizarre, but I'll put that down to BM not having any lethal weapons- have we ever seen a punch kill in One Piece- and also importantly, giving Carrot and Wanda a dramatic enterance. Presumably BM thinks that Marco can recover from a punch from her but not an arrow to the head, which does kind of make sense.
Though of course, we've seen Marco recover from a laser to the brain so... who knows.
I've looked at it again and BM does actually have Napoleon so I don't know what the hell is going on with the Perospero bit and the souls mention
2) Posthawk has well and truly died as an argument thanks to BM.
I still give the advantage to BM, though not a big one. My main takeaway
1- first clash, insane Marco hype. Clashes evenly at first then Marco overpowers Prometheus (but not Big Mom). This is where I why she's shocked, because as we've seen her Homies are mostly invincible and she wouldn't really have any reason to think Marco could have injured him like he did.
2- I think BM won the clash when she had him by the throat. Not a hugely decisive victory, but in terms of this particular clash it's where she comes out on top as she did have Marco at her mercy. Sure, Marco got out somehow, but you have to focus on what Oda chose to draw, not what happened off panel.
I think the souls comment is about her main three homies being either weakened- we see Zeus and Prometheus looking woozy- or missing- where the hell is Napoleon?
The fact that BM says that Perospero can kill Marco easier than she can is a bit bizarre, but I'll put that down to BM not having any lethal weapons- have we ever seen a punch kill in One Piece- and also importantly, giving Carrot and Wanda a dramatic enterance. Presumably BM thinks that Marco can recover from a punch from her but not an arrow to the head, which does kind of make sense.
Though of course, we've seen Marco recover from a laser to the brain so... who knows.
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I've looked at it again and BM does actually have Napoleon so I don't know what the hell is going on with the Perospero bit and the souls mention
Katakuri has Ichiji by the neck. "Katakuri neg diffed Ichiji"
Whitebeard has Blackbeard by the neck "WB neg diffed Blackbeard"
Big Mom has Marco by the neck "He didn't seem THAT bothered"
The amount of headcanon here. Marco is a low diff for an all out Big Mom. No one without FS can beat Katakuri that easily.
Whitebeard has Blackbeard by the neck "WB neg diffed Blackbeard"
Big Mom has Marco by the neck "He didn't seem THAT bothered"
The amount of headcanon here. Marco is a low diff for an all out Big Mom. No one without FS can beat Katakuri that easily.
Elemental advantages have nothing to do with PLs tho.
Where did BM say that Pero could finish him off easier? She just decided to let Pero take the shot because why not. BM could have just grabbed Napoleon with her other hand if she wanted to, unless you think Pero’s arrow is better than Napoleon
It’s sad how biased this forum is against BM. She could blow a hole straight through the Earth and people would still shit on her because she didn’t tear a hole in reality and cause the destruction of our universe
Where did BM say that Pero could finish him off easier? She just decided to let Pero take the shot because why not. BM could have just grabbed Napoleon with her other hand if she wanted to, unless you think Pero’s arrow is better than Napoleon
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It’s sad how biased this forum is against BM. She could blow a hole straight through the Earth and people would still shit on her because she didn’t tear a hole in reality and cause the destruction of our universe
Marco definitely had the upper hand in the first clash even though he didn't actually damage nor push back BM herself. What he has shown superiority to here, thanks to his flames, are the Homies which are just one part of BM's skill set. The other major part of her fighting ability is her physical strength and after realizing that Prometheus was getting exhausted, she pushes straight through the clash and manages to chokehold him into submission. At that point, Marco is at the mercy of whatever blow BM wanted to follow up with.
Would he simply regenerate out of whatever damage he took from that follow up? Sure but in a full fight, with BM completely dedicated to beating him, Marco would eventually reach the limit of his regeneration as he did after his various small fights and clashes at Marineford. BM on the other hand is able to go up against Kaido in a purely physical fight for days without showing any fatigue afterward.
Yes, BM can't just low diff Marco in seconds and be done with him. Seemingly no one he has fought has shown that ability. But knowing Marco's limits and everything BM has to offer in terms of strength, durabily and endurance and how easily she put him into submission with pure brute force, it would have only been a question of time until this started heavely going in BM's favor and as she pointed out, she would rather spend that time and energy fighting the people she's been targeting from the start.
Would he simply regenerate out of whatever damage he took from that follow up? Sure but in a full fight, with BM completely dedicated to beating him, Marco would eventually reach the limit of his regeneration as he did after his various small fights and clashes at Marineford. BM on the other hand is able to go up against Kaido in a purely physical fight for days without showing any fatigue afterward.
Yes, BM can't just low diff Marco in seconds and be done with him. Seemingly no one he has fought has shown that ability. But knowing Marco's limits and everything BM has to offer in terms of strength, durabily and endurance and how easily she put him into submission with pure brute force, it would have only been a question of time until this started heavely going in BM's favor and as she pointed out, she would rather spend that time and energy fighting the people she's been targeting from the start.
Well that's the thing, I don't think Perospero is better than Napoleon.
So I would just put it down to plot usually- setting up Carrot's big entrance- but the odd comment BM makes about not having the souls to deal with Marco does suggest there's something more going on.
To be clear, I'm still saying that BM>Marco, but it might be the case that Marco's DF is a very good match for BM and her soul powers and that's why she suddenly decides to let Perospero help instead of doing it by herself.
So I would just put it down to plot usually- setting up Carrot's big entrance- but the odd comment BM makes about not having the souls to deal with Marco does suggest there's something more going on.
To be clear, I'm still saying that BM>Marco, but it might be the case that Marco's DF is a very good match for BM and her soul powers and that's why she suddenly decides to let Perospero help instead of doing it by herself.
No reason to over think and reach for irrelevant points.
Big Mom was obviously superior, however Oda did give Macro face acknowleding his phoenix fire being special and despite having stronger flames he only managed to damage promotheus and not Big Mom.
Either way current Macro has strawhats level plot armor, don't see anything major happening to him soon.
More interested in what Big Mom meant when she said she doesn't have enough souls, could be a hint of another weakness aside from caramel photo.
Big Mom was obviously superior, however Oda did give Macro face acknowleding his phoenix fire being special and despite having stronger flames he only managed to damage promotheus and not Big Mom.
Either way current Macro has strawhats level plot armor, don't see anything major happening to him soon.
More interested in what Big Mom meant when she said she doesn't have enough souls, could be a hint of another weakness aside from caramel photo.
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The thing is that it’s not like BM has her attacks fueled by souls, so her comment doesn’t make much sense, and it’s not like Zeus and Prometheus need souls to recharge themselves since they do so by eating fire and clouds. So I think that BM’s soul comment is poorly translated and we should wait for the Viz ro get a better idea of what it means. Maybe BM meant that she wants to recharge Zeus and Prometheus by finding fire and clouds for them, or maybe she meant that she doesn’t have any good Homie material around to put Marco’s soul into
Ever since back on Orojackson, when people would call me crazy for suggesting Marco was the "Rayleigh" of the Whitebeard Pirates, I've always maintained he was the strongest of the Yonko First Mates. It always made sense for a multitude of reasons. During Marineford, he is the only character that Oda nerfed on the spot. Plenty of other strong characters on Whitebeard's side were dealt with, or held off by traditional means, but Marco was explicitly slapped in Seastone cuffs in order to be taken out of the fight. This now proves it wasn't done for unjust reasons. He had great showings against Admirals, and now a great showing against a Yonko.
After Marineford, he was the only character explicitly named by the Gorosei when speaking about the WB remnants, and taking down Blackbeard. His name was put alongside the other Yonko's in that regard. These guys have been around much longer than Marco, and have witnessed his exploits as the Whitebeard Pirates rose to dominate status.
Speaking of the Whitebeard Pirates dominate status, the strength of Whitebeard's crew played an integral part in his standing in the World. Sure the main player has always been Whitebeard, as he was just a cut above everyone else, but even after old age and sickness caught up to Whitebeard, he still had the freedom to hang out in the middle of the Ocean, and paint himself a clear target for the rest of the World, and yet nobody could/would come take that from him. Having another Top Tier (Albeit low) in his crew is a perfect explanation for this. The other Yonkos and the Navy aren't going to come for Whitebeard's head if he has another Top Tier in his crew.
Now Oda has brought Marco into this war on Wano, to specifically give the Alliance a chance. On Kaido's side you have Kaido, Big Mom, King, Queen, Jack, and Smoothie, who are all high caliber characters, and who does Oda bring in for the alliance? Marco... He gives them one High tier, amidst two High end Top Tiers, and 4 High tiers? That doesn't help at all. It only helps if Marco can actually make somewhat of a difference, and this last chapter proves he can.
That being said, I don't think Marco is capable of defeating any of the Yonkos or Admirals in a one on one fight, but I think he stands a far better chance of staving one off, than any other character in the series. This is just the kind of portrayal Oda has given him.
After Marineford, he was the only character explicitly named by the Gorosei when speaking about the WB remnants, and taking down Blackbeard. His name was put alongside the other Yonko's in that regard. These guys have been around much longer than Marco, and have witnessed his exploits as the Whitebeard Pirates rose to dominate status.
Speaking of the Whitebeard Pirates dominate status, the strength of Whitebeard's crew played an integral part in his standing in the World. Sure the main player has always been Whitebeard, as he was just a cut above everyone else, but even after old age and sickness caught up to Whitebeard, he still had the freedom to hang out in the middle of the Ocean, and paint himself a clear target for the rest of the World, and yet nobody could/would come take that from him. Having another Top Tier (Albeit low) in his crew is a perfect explanation for this. The other Yonkos and the Navy aren't going to come for Whitebeard's head if he has another Top Tier in his crew.
Now Oda has brought Marco into this war on Wano, to specifically give the Alliance a chance. On Kaido's side you have Kaido, Big Mom, King, Queen, Jack, and Smoothie, who are all high caliber characters, and who does Oda bring in for the alliance? Marco... He gives them one High tier, amidst two High end Top Tiers, and 4 High tiers? That doesn't help at all. It only helps if Marco can actually make somewhat of a difference, and this last chapter proves he can.
That being said, I don't think Marco is capable of defeating any of the Yonkos or Admirals in a one on one fight, but I think he stands a far better chance of staving one off, than any other character in the series. This is just the kind of portrayal Oda has given him.
Mental gymnastics so severe you have people praising a guy for being treated like a rubber chicken. Your salt towards Linlin only fuels the enjoyment I get from seeing her trigger everyone who hates her on panel. 
Drink up friends Linlin isn't going anywhere. I know she might taste like bleach but, Oda likes her enough to where he'll keep forcing her down your unwilling throats.
Imagine being so intellectually dishonest because you're triggered by an obese woman in a manga.
